Do you think Jesus supports Abraham Lincoln abolishing slavery?

Jesus said, "Slaves, submit to your slave masters."

Where in the Bible does it say, "Thou shall not enslave people.?"

Maybe, Abraham Lincoln was wrong to abolish slavery? Maybe, Thats why God killed him.

>>17863675 (OP)
The Bible does outright condone slavery.

Ephesians 6:5-8
>5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

But the Bible also condones genocide and rape (Deuteronomy 25:18) so it's hardly a "moral authority" on anything by today's standards.

>>17863675 (OP)
>Jesus said, "Slaves, submit to your slave masters."
Jesus didn't say that, Paul did on his epistles to the Ephesians.
>Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a bondservant or is free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
And his overall point is not that slavery is good so much as "hang in there". Ordering slaves to rise up and kill their masters doesn't sound very Christlike, does it? Jesus' message is one of forgiveness and reconciliation, and slaves and oppressed people have the most to forgive.

>>17863693
>And his overall point is not that slavery is good so much as "hang in there". Ordering slaves to rise up and kill their masters doesn't sound very Christlike, does it? Jesus' message is one of forgiveness and reconciliation, and slaves and oppressed people have the most to forgive.
God what an utterly pussified religion lol

>>17863709
>h-heh crustianity is a pussy religion!
>Don't commit adultery, don't kill, don't steal, don't divorce, don't abort children. If you do these things there will be consequences in the afterlife
>AAAAAA OPPRESSION, HOW CAN GOD BE SO CRUEL, HOW CAN ME HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS NOOOOOO HE'S A COSMIC TYRANT SATAN SAVE MEEEEE AAAAAA

>>17863715
Nice strawman that has nothing to do with the topic at hand (slavery).

>>17863756
>Nice strawman
Not a strawman, I was just making fun of you.
> with the topic at hand (slavery).
Not always wrong.

God kills everyone though.

>>17863772
I don't think you understand what a "strawman" argument is lol

>>17863773
Elaborate?

>>17863781
Name one person who did not die.

>>17863779
Why are you still going on about strawmen? I thought you wanted to discuss slavery.
>>17863783
Me.

>>17863691
Common slavery faded away eventually from Christian Rome because the Christian treatment of slaves by the slave owners was so inconvenient it was more trouble than worth to keep slaves. Slavery is kind of an institution where you kinda have to be evil and treat the slaves horribly to extract actual value out of the system.

>>17863675 (OP)
The word came to Jeremiah from the Lord after King Zedekiah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to proclaim freedom for the slaves. Everyone was to free their Hebrew slaves, both male and female; no one was to hold a fellow Hebrew in bondage. So all the officials and people who entered into this covenant agreed that they would free their male and female slaves and no longer hold them in bondage. They agreed, and set them free. But afterward they changed their minds and took back the slaves they had freed and enslaved them again.

Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I made a covenant with your ancestors when I brought them out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. I said, ‘Every seventh year each of you must free any fellow Hebrews who have sold themselves to you. After they have served you six years, you must let them go free.’ Your ancestors, however, did not listen to me or pay attention to me. Recently you repented and did what is right in my sight: Each of you proclaimed freedom to your own people. You even made a covenant before me in the house that bears my Name. But now you have turned around and profaned my name; each of you has taken back the male and female slaves you had set free to go where they wished. You have forced them to become your slaves again.

“Therefore this is what the Lord says: You have not obeyed me; you have not proclaimed freedom to your own people. So I now proclaim ‘freedom’ for you, declares the Lord—‘freedom’ to fall by the sword, plague and famine. I will make you abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth. Those who have violated my covenant and have not fulfilled the terms of the covenant they made before me, I will treat like the calf they cut in two and then walked between its pieces.

>>17863675 (OP)
After the christian authorities redefined the body ofChrist to include nonwhites, that is when slavery became problematic.

>>17863795
>Common slavery faded away eventually from Christian Rome
No it absolutely didn't, retard, slavery persisted even throughout the Christian Middle Ages in Europe (going beyond mere serfdom, I'm talking full-blown slavery).

>>17863675 (OP)
Probably not, that's why most preachers were pro-slavery in antebellum discourse and the only Christians driving abolitionism were pacifists (quakers and methodist radicals) who opposed the brutality of violence in slavery rather than the idea of slavery itself.

>>17863675 (OP)
>Do you think Jesus supports Abraham Lincoln abolishing slavery?
Well, we can deduce that the Lord supports the United States since He brought us this far despite all of the threats we've faced so far. And the United States has historically always held Christian, biblical-based values.

For instance, the Portsmouth Compact said the following:
>The 7th day of the first month, 1638. We whose names are underwritten do here solemnly in the presence of Jehovah incorporate ourselves into a Bodie Politick and as he shall help, will submit our persons, lives and estates unto our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to all those perfect and most absolute laws of his given us in his holy word of truth, to be guided and judged thereby.

The Declaration of Independence meanwhile says:
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

And the U.S. Constitution:
>Article 7
>Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the States present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names.

The First Amendment to the Constitution also supports the Biblical concept that conversion by swordpoint is unchristian. Thus, it says in the First Amendment:
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The Bible also tells us that the true bondage, which all men suffer from, is sin. We should seek the freedom of Christ first (John 8:34-36, Romans 6:20-22, Romans 8:21). Ending temporal enslavement is also good if it can be done lawfully. See the book of Philemon.

>>17863675 (OP)
Lincoln was not the first to abolish slavery, individual states had already done this long before the Civil War started. Why the fuck is /his/ - History & Humanities, so historically illiterate when it comes to even the most basic high-school level shit?

>>17864219
>Lincoln was not the first to abolish slavery, individual states had already done this
He was the primary person responsible for ending the Civil War and getting the 13th and 14th Amendments passed, which was the effective end of slavery in the country. Before Lincoln, there were laws like the Fugitive Slave Act which Millard Fillmore signed into law, which forced even free states to capture and return escaped slaves. They were effectively forced by the Federal government, through the Fugitive Slave Act, to be complicit in upholding the institution of slavery. Before Lincoln, the western territories were also rife with violence and conflict over the differing views between pro and anti-slavery settlers. Therefore it makes sense to credit Lincoln with being the main person responsible for effectuating the abolition of slavery, although not the first or only abolitionist as the sentiment of ending slavery had existed at least since Roger Williams in the early 17th century – and indeed there were many from the radical Republican faction during the American Civil War who were far more ardent about abolitionism than Lincoln was. Lincoln was mainly concerned about preserving the union, but he realized this was an important issue that needed to be resolved to accomplish that goal.

The core Christian message centers on love, freedom, and justice, which has inspired movements against oppression.

>>17863675 (OP)
A slave was more like a second tier relative. They weren't being abused constantly. That wouldn't have worked.

>>17864207
The United States is a pagan empire.