Thread 17865080

Poland would be a superpower today if not for Germanic imperialism

Poland is quickly becoming one of the richest countries in Europe, and will soon overtake the UK in GDP per capita. I think that's about as close as you can get to a regional superpower within the EU's framework.

Maybe you should have created a political system that wasn't completely fucking retarded, kneecapping your state until it went from this to the "free real estate, partition 2 get 1 for free!" area of Europe.

>>17865080 (OP)
Poland would be a superpower if it wasn't geographically positioned between two superior powers.

>>17865080 (OP)
Very true
Even just without ww2 Poland would have a population and economy equal to France, or perhaps even Germany. And that was a lesser Poland compared to what came before
>>17865164
>soon overtake the UK in GDP per capita
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=PL-GB
I don't know where you got that idea from, even if it is growing faster.

>>17865166
>they're going back to rename it "Kyiv" even on fucking 17th century maps now when neither a distinct Ukrainian language or identity existed yet

>>17865170
It was the superior power during the PLC, it then completely fumbled the ball. You talk as if Poland started out as a rump state between a united Germany and Russia when it was the other way around.

>>17865468
It says present-day city

>>17865513
That's literally just an excuse to call it that because it's the same cities as the 17th century

>>17865468
There was no standardised english spelling for Kyiv back then.
Take pic related, which spells it "Kiova" for instance. you might also see things like Kijow or Kiow.
Point is Kiev would also be anachronistic and it's a very stupid thing to complain about. Would you also be angry if you saw "London", "Paris" or "Rome" on a map of the Roman empire?

>>17865517
>Would you also be angry if you saw "London", "Paris" or "Rome" on a map of the Roman empire?
Those are the established English names, Kyiv is being artificially forced within the past 3 years. It's a prescriptivist linguistic imposition which I reject, akin to if Paris were renamed "Paree" on the demand of the French government, which I would likewise reject.

>>17865519
Why do you care so much?

>>17865522
Because people are trying to force something down my throat.

>>17865525
That's it? You are completely appalled that some people are replacing one vowel in a word in order to show support for a country that is being invaded, because it is a minuscule inconvenience to you the fraction of your life you see it on a map?

>>17865540
It is annoying and ridiculous, yes.
I will have sympathy once the native toponyms in my country are used in the English language.

>>17865519
Do you still call Beijing Peking as well? This sort of thing happens all the time, get over yourself

>>17865547
Not him but in my language we do, I had no idea it used to be called Peking in English as well.

>>17865547
We do call it that in my language. I am actually not sure when the shift occurred in English but now that you mention it, I will call it Peking from now on.

>>17865553
>it's ridiculous and annoying to call kiev kiyv but anon will go out of his way to intentionally be misunderstood by other people by using half a century old names for places
ok bro

>>17865080 (OP)
out of all historic polish flags you picked the communist diplomatic ensign lol

>>17865558
I certainly won't be misunderstood here and it is already called this in my country, so there is no problem.

>>17865561
>I am actually not sure when the shift occurred in English but now that you mention it, I will call it Peking from now on.
This implies that you will be calling it Peking in English.

>>17865553
>my language
So English isn't even your native language? You're doing the exact same thing that you're complaining about retard
>>17865552
Beijing only became preferred in English in the 80s (if I'm remembering correctly). You can still find lots of old Chinese takeaway with Peking in the name

>>17865563
Yeah, here. I'm not exactly talking to Anglophone normies so there is no problem.
>>17865565
I am German but I respect the English language and reject efforts to manipulate it for political purposes.

>>17865567
>reject efforts to manipulate it for political purposes.
IE what you're doing
Could you please also use the names Ratisbon, Francford and Aix-la-Chapelle, which are the traditionally preferred terms for German cities in English. If you're going to be autistic it'd be nice if you're consistent

>>17865567
>Yeah, here. I'm not exactly talking to Anglophone normies so there is no problem.
That's not the point, the point is that you are inconsistent. You said it's annoying that you 'have' to say Kyiv instead of Kiev but at the same time you are willing to inconvenience yourself by using archaic names that will confuse the rest of society.

>>17865575
Kiev was the long-established name and "Kyiv" is an artificial renaming effort.
>the traditionally preferred terms for German cities in English
None of those names have been traditionally preferred in English for centuries at least.
>>17865577
It is consistent to reject another politically-motivated renaming. It will not confuse the rest of my society, as it is already called Peking in it.
>You said it's annoying that you 'have' to say Kyiv
I never used the verb "have" in this conversation except in the phrase "I will have sympathy [...]".

>>17865582
>It will not confuse the rest of my society, as it is already called Peking in it
Are you being retarded on purpose or why are you once again pretending like this would apply to your native tongue and not English?

>>17865584
You are being retarded on purpose by presenting fictional problems I will never have because I do not live in an English-speaking society. There is no society being confused.

>>17865586
You are speaking English to people right now.

>>17865582
>Kiev was the long-established name
Acktually Kiew was preferred prior to WW2
>for centuries
What do you know retard, you weren't even aware about Peking. Those versions were in common use throughout the 20th century

>>17865587
And there is not a single person here unaware of the name Peking.
>Acktually Kiew was preferred prior to WW2
Conveniently, the German name. It is the same phonetic value so it's hairsplitting.
>>17865590
I was in fact aware of Peking, it was a different anon who did not know.

>>17865593
>And there is not a single person here unaware of the name Peking.
And you said you will call it Peking from now on, which means you will use it when talking to other people who might not make the connection. I can't tell if you legitimate have an IQ of 85 or if you're purposely trying to be obtuse, but this is my last reply.

>>17865596
There is no one I would talk to who would not understand it. I can't tell if you legitimately have an IQ of 85 or if you're purposely trying to be obtuse, but this is my last reply.

>>17865080 (OP)
>Muh imperialism
Slavs are so brown coded

Ukos were at 48 million people when I was growing up. Now they're at 35 million and shrinking. If Russia puts one (1) soldier inside the borders of Poland they'll scatter.

>>17865628
They're alright :)

>>17865599
brother what the fuck does that even mean? did you get lost on your way to /pol/?

>>17865647
It's funny because he hates white people and that's why he's saying it

>>17865080 (OP)
Bulgaria would be a superpower today if not for Ottoman imperialism.

>>17865797
If not for Byzantine blind-ervism

>>17865628
>the french one includes wallonia
for what purpose

>>17865628
Humiliation ritual

>>17865628
>Holy Kek saaars, look at those filthy Poo-lack dalits with those photoshopped plungers, maybe if I insult slavs online then my friends on /pol/ will consider me as white

>>17865170
You mean like France? They have the Germans to the east. Spanish empire to the south. And the british empire to the north lol. Shitty excuses. The problem with Poland was the elites aka aristocrats didn't beleive in it. They'd rather take german and russian bribes then invest in their empire.

>>17865166

>Lviv

You mean Lemberg right

>>17866804
Leopolis actually

>>17865468
Indeed, man

>>17865519
>>17865547
fuck those holols revisionist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhG9tKm60jE

>>17865080 (OP)
You mean Sweden, they are the one who fucked you guys up and down the entire 17th century, hell the first partition happened because they used your shit political system to place a puppet king on your throne who led you into suicidal wars against all your neighbors

>>17865080 (OP)
Doubtful.

They were sandwiched between two of the three world powers in the early 20th Century. They were bound to be eaten by one or both.

They're lucky to, more or less, be given their country back after WW2 (yes, I'm aware it was still part of the Soviet Union).

I think it's only by a rare fluke that Poland even still exists. But they do seem to be on an upward trajectory and good for them.

>>17865080 (OP)
German imperialism would be a superpower if not for Poland

>>17865080 (OP)
>If Poland didnt lose the imperial game it would have won.
wow great thread

>>17865080 (OP)
yep, that's what the word means
you can't be a super power if you're under powered
thanks for the shower thought, anon