How does Spain cope with the humiliation?

>>17867180 (OP)
Britain’s cucked government would give it back if Spaniards stopped saying they’re White and played the oppressed BIPOC card.

>>17867180 (OP)
Honestly the yookay has never been weaker, they will retake it soon

>>17867230
you haven't been paying attention to present Spain's affairs, right?

>>17867233
what are those catholic gypsies up to now

>>17867233
What's going on, Spainbros? Did I miss something?

>>17867236
>>17867237
Our ruling socialist party PSOE (which got there thanks to sucking up separatist dick) just got exposed as a literal mafia. We all suspected that, but now its here for everyone to see, so its basically chaos and drama, with all the political parties going full open season on PSOE.

Spain is in no situation to do anything beyond its borders right now.

>>17867180 (OP)
The least of our worries

>>17867255
>just got exposed as a literal mafia
you mean just the basic bitch corruption scandals right, not the minister of public transport getting caught trying to get 20 kgs of meth over the spanish-french border o algo

>>17867261
>you mean just the basic bitch corruption scandals right
Actual serious stuff
>not the minister of public transport getting caught trying to get 20 kgs of meth over the spanish-french border o algo
That wouldn't be too far-fetched at this point...

>>17867180 (OP)
Why don't they just trade Ceuta to Britain in exchange for Gibraltar?

Spain couldn't care less today

>>17867255
>>17867237
>>17867236
Spain with its socialist government is one of the few countries to have condemned Israel for genociding Palestinians.
How are worker's rights in Spain?
What's so bad about this country that it makes Gibraltar the last of your worries?

>>17867180 (OP)
I remember Military History Visualized doing a video on current events a few months ago, I forget what it was about exactly but he mentioned a prediction he got from one of his sources. They predicted that this would be Europe's last summer of peace, and aside from this video most people appear to be forecasting an actual ground war between great powers coming soon. I think it's pretty obvious that Ukraine will fall relatively soon given how quiet the media has gotten and the advances made by Russia, but when it does fall I think that will be the spark. I imagine the fate of Gibraltar will be decided there.

>>17867493
Because it would be the same. Ceuta was Soanish territory since the time of the Visigoths before Jihadists arrived from the east. The count of Ceuta had a lot of influence in the kingdom actually. Why giving up a Spanish territory for another.

>>17867180 (OP)
Charles II of Habsbourg, the last legit Spanish king died without offspring and left in his testament the order that the Crown territories should stay unified no matter who arrived.

The French invaded Spain to fight the Habsbourgs and in order to usurp the crown, started to sold Spanish territories to other nations. They sold Gibraltar and Balearic islands to a pirate island as England. They sold Naples, Milan and theSicily to Austria in order to be at peace with the Habsbourgs. They themselves claimed the Spanish Louisiana.

After the conflict Spain was devastated and the Bourbons instead of trying to reconquer Gibraltar, dragged Spain into French wars and paid the French wars. Pretty the only reason Louis XV didn´t bankrupted so early was the use of Spain as a finantial colony.

And it has been like this ever since. Franco pushed claims on Gibraltar that the Bourbons denied after he passed away.

Republicans were also in the same modus during Civil War, they were willing to sold Spanish territories to Britain and US in order to usurp the power.

>>17867261
It is basic bitch stuff because every gov is a mafia. Tell them you won't pay the protection money- I mean taxes and see what happens.

>>17867180 (OP)
By not having 1 millions little girls getting sold into sexual slavery by Pakis.

>>17867776
I'm a republican, to me, the monarchy makes no sense whatsoever. It's a medieval relic. But... the way some people defend it... I mean, I try to put myself in the shoes of a monarchist or a traditionalist, and I ask myself: why on earth are you defending the Bourbons? Honestly, I don’t care one dynasty over another, but seriously, what good have the Bourbons ever brought to Spain? The trend of marrying your cousins? That already existed, sure, but they really took it to the next level, they fully committed to the whole inbreeding thing.

What else have they brought? The ruin of the nation? I mean, ever since the Bourbons arrived, Spain has done nothing but decline. Some monarchists come at me like, ‘No, but in such-and-such year we gained territory’, come on. The reality is, since their arrival, it’s been a state of absolute chronic decay. Even worse than under Charles II. Just look, their arrival led to the loss of Gibraltar, to a pirate island, no less.

So I ask again: what have the Bourbons ever contributed to Spain? Honestly, I’ll say it outright, apart from being the most reactionary and damaging force to this country, what exactly have they done that's worth defending? I don’t get it.

I can understand monarchists who want to uphold the institution and honor the national history; the Reconquista, the imperial past under the Habsburgs with the Tercios, the conquest of the Americas, the Tridentine reformation… I may not agree with them, but I get it.

But pride in the Bourbons? Really? Pride in a French family that brought ruin to Spain; both in the war against Louis XIV and once they actually took the throne? They've always been a bunch of sellouts, betraying the nation.

I would respect monarchists who defend earlier dynasties that at least brought something of value to the table, even though, as a republican, I oppose to that viewpoint. But the Bourbons? Seriously? Someone please explain it to me, because I just don’t get it.

>>17867255
Nigga you're gay. The PSOE is a cancer but it's just another gay socialist party in Europe, stop with this mafia bs regardless just because Abalos was banging whores.

>>17867776
>and the Bourbons instead of trying to reconquer Gibraltar, dragged Spain into French wars
Remind me, what country were these French wars against? Also don't tell me you've forgotten the war of the quadruple alliance, or the seiges of 1727 (a war fought independently of France) and 79-83. Did the French oppose the Spanish capture of the other Spanish territory the British seized in the war of succession, Menorca?
Your narrative completely ignores reality. The Spanish Bourbons tried to retake Gibraltar and they lost

>>17867776
Loads of bullshit.
>>17867873
Yes.

>>17867776
>They sold Naples, Milan and theSicily to Austria in order to be at peace with the Habsbourgs.
If the Bourbons really didn't care about those regions, they would have just accepted the second treaty of London and wouldn't have started the war of Spanish succession in the first place.

>>17867228
Asking a Hispanic not to identify as White is like asking them to cut off his right thumb

>>17868141
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>>17867770
Ceuta isn't really Spanish. It was conquered from Morocco by Portugal and only became Spanish when the Portuguese failed to reconquer it in their independence war at the end of the Iberian Union. Ceuta is as Spanish as Gibraltar is English. The main reason to ditch Ceuta is that it has a direct land border with Africa that has to be constantly defended from African border jumpers. And Morocco demanding the land back.

>>17869077
Ceuta is Spanish.
It was part of Spanish Diocesis during Roman era.

And it was of Spanish Visigothic Kingdom during Early Middle-Ages since the Count Julian denied its loyalty to Romans and served the Visigothic monarchy.

Just as other territories, it was part of the reconquered territories usurped by Muslims.

>>17869086
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian,_Count_of_Ceuta
>Julian, Count of Ceuta was, according to some sources, a renegade governor, possibly a former comes in Byzantine service in Ceuta and Tangiers who subsequently submitted to the king of Visigothic Spain before secretly allying with the Muslims.

>This Roman-Byzantine-Visigoth-Berber territory has always been part of Spain because of Count Double Traitor

>>17869094
Yep.
By who did hold in first place it was Spanish before it was Muslim.

But hey, now redpill me about Anglosaxon pirates sailing in Gibraltar during VI century.

kek

>>17867180 (OP)
by having Plan B