Thread 17867204

Were they turkic/hunnic or iranian.


The iranian bit does not make sense.

Yeah they spoke an iranian language when they arrived in their lands so did the mughals they adopted iranian language
And yet so many people claim them to be iranian

>>17867204 (OP)
Mughals were successors of a state that ruled over Persia and Persia was a widespread court language in central language, Bactrian and Sogdian were never common court languages.

>>17867204 (OP)
Iranic ≠ iranian and they were probably mutts of indo aryans and turko-mongols

>>17867204 (OP)
They're probably Wusun, allies of Xiongnu/Huns who drove off Yeuzhi/Yu-chi/Yuti/Guti/Gete earlier few centuries ago. Wusun are a branch of Yeuzhi/gete people, so they're white or atleast Hapas. The Yeuzhi/gete initially moved west-wards towards the caspian seas as they fled from the Huns, in their escape, they met with other Sakas and drove them down to Bactrian(Afghan/Pakistan) areas. They became indo-bactrians. The Yeuzhis werent satisfied that indo-bactrians were in their rear, so they tookover the greeco-bactrian area and established themselves in the region. Later on, one of the Yeuzhi prince unified Yeuzhi confederacy under 1 kingdom. The Kushans. The Xiongnus were later defeated by China in their wars. And they were pushed further westward, just like how they pushed Yeuzhi westward. So they choose similar path. One of the path was south west, the Kushan area. They knew the Kushans were an old enemy, so they took over the Kushan empire. The "white huns" just likely means they're either Xiongnu or likely Wusun ally, who are white/hapa.

Also, prior to the westward migration towards the caspian seas, there also rested Massagete confederacy. So Saka/Scythian are part of Massagete. But then so are the Yeuzhi (Chinese) -> Yu-chi -> Yuti -> Gut -> Gete. The area around the Pakistan/Afghan has plenty of current day Gutis, Guj, Jats, etc. They're likely from the same ancient Gete nomadic people. The older gete from the caspian seas also migrated westward multiple times. First with the Yeuzhi pushing them out, then with the Xiongnu pushing them west. Thats where the great Roman nomadic wars happened.

They were Iranian. The association with the Turks comes from the fact they integrated into the Göktürk Khaganate.

>>17868351
>>17868753
What did they look like?

>>17868351
100 percent without a doubt. They were a mix group of turkic and indo european people. The entire central asia region is like that. Generally the more west you go, the more indo european it is. The more east you go, the more turkic it becomes. But they are all hapa babies lol.

>>17868820
Iranic/indo aryan you iranjeet

>>17868351
>>17869909

>Iranic
no such word exists. That's Iranian.

Turkish/Turkic makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.
The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand.
>B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the Iranics
They have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.

>>17867204 (OP)
The first leaders might have been Scythian hapas but central Asia was overwhelmingly Iranian, so they would have been led by a mutted elite but 99% of their troops and peoples would be Iranian

>>17867204 (OP)
Central Asian Steppe people (the mongrelized mongoloid ones) are so annoying to research because they’re so miscegenated. Turks, Mongols, and peripheral peoples who lived alongside them (Siberians, Tungusic, etc.) were so integrated that it’s no surprise they were often mislabeled by outsiders and theorized to have a common linguistic origin. What even is a “Hun”? Assuming the first Huns were Zuongnu invaders of China, what language did they speak? Likely a Turkic one? Or was it not? Did they speak a Turkic language but made up of a majority of non-Turkic people, or vice versa? I would assume they’re all just Turks.