Thread 17869709

>Actually invested in their colonies, (built roads, hospitals, schools,) etc.
>Didn’t force cultural or linguistic assimilation like the Bongs and Frogs did
>The worst thing they did was put down resistance from East African bandits and Arab desert Marauders
>Meanwhile King Leopold II literally wiped out millions in the Congo
>Left behind a much smaller colonial footprint compared to other major western powers

Fascist Italy was arguably the least brutal of the major European empires when it came to colonial rule, no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise.

>>17869709 (OP)
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/268C3AD99463113F17F332F92D14F84D/S0018246X22000188a.pdf/international_law_of_war_war_crimes_in_ethiopia_and_italys_imperial_misrecollection_at_the_end_of_empire_19461950.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cambridge-world-history-of-genocide/eurocentrism-silence-and-memory-of-genocide-in-colonial-libya-19291934/2F6A0A6F7010B944D4C13A4A6425A0A1

>>17869709 (OP)
>The British, including Trevaskis, had a condescending attitude towards the Italians, but he, for one, changed his mind after seeing the territory's network of roads and Asmara's boulevards, office buildings, cathedral, opera house, restaur-ants, and, he noted, brothels. The Italians left no doubt about white supremacy, but they cultivated both the Arabs and Christians of Eritrea with gifts, consumer goods and food imports. Yet the tax rate was negligible. Trevaskis discovered that the reason for Italian extravagance virtually unimaginable in a British protectorate or colony could be found in Fascist Italy's priorit-ising of empire. Eritrea was subsidised by the Italian government. As a result of Italian benefi-cence, the Eritreans on the whole were 'docile and obedient', though Trevaskis noted an undertow of 'Italophobia'. But it was a fragile prosperity, snapped by Mussolini's decision to declare war on Britain and France in June 1940.
>Trevaskis often thought about the Italian colonial tradition, which he believed to be virtually the opposite of the British. Since the 1930s Eritrea had thrived because of Italian subsidies. Colonial possessions played a prominent part in Fascist ideology. Eritrea was always regarded as a stepping stone towards Ethiopia, but nevertheless it attracted Italian engineers, mechanics, bankers and, especially, architects, who made the buildings and green boulevards of Asmara an architectural showpiece that held its own with any colonial city in any part of the world. The colonial system by British standards was corrupt, but from the Italian point of view it served the purpose of keeping the chiefs content and docile with financial and other gifts in Trevaskis's view, bribes which worked well in keeping the native population subdued until Italian defeat in 1942.

Senior British officers couldn’t believe their eyes.

>>17869709 (OP)
>>Actually invested in their colonies, (built roads, hospitals, schools,)
Most were barred from it and kept in strictly service roles or military fodder alongside spatial zoning of the natives and "I wanna remind you who is the boss" moments rampant in colonial societies.

>The worst thing they did was put down resistance from East African bandits and Arab desert Marauders
Lmao the downplaying. Not helping your point.

>Left behind a much smaller colonial footprint compared to other major western powers
Late to enter but the fascist years were fucked up and the rampant inefficiency and resources waste the government engaged in within Metropole and the colonies were spiraling out of control. Granted all the colonies in Asia and Africa were total shitshows and had power trying to show of their "gems" while hiding the abuses that went on.

>>17869709 (OP)
*gases ethiopians*

>>17870102
And ethnically cleansing and war criming Libya for a decade, and the war criming in Europe+ Ethiopia prior to and during ww2.

Is this whitewashing of Italian crimes supposed to help your case? I thought fascists hated towelheads and nogs? Isn't your guys' whole thing about survival of the fittest or whatever?

>>17869862
Is this whitewashing of Italian crimes supposed to help your case or something? I thought fascists hated towelheads and nogs? Isn't your guys' whole thing about survival of the fittest and the superiority of *insert culture here* or whatever?

>>17870151
Because it all hinges on masturbating to Asmara as "what could have been" even though it was extremely unsustainable financially and the colony cracked down on natives and suppressed them, hence the "docile obedience". It was basically a McMansion

white pearl of the indian ocean

>>17870161
>>17870167
>vgh... imagine (dragons)...

>>17870191
How the hell would that even work. All those states either hate each other, have crazy settlers or no real economy outside of rocks

Anon, they tried to gas Ethiopians, treated Libyans like animals in a zoo, and saw Libya’s shores as rightfully Italian land that must be reclaimed by any means possible.

There’s no sugarcoating the atrocities they committed in their colonial possessions, and all I see here is coping by people who keep daydreaming about a long lost empire that no longer exists, similar to what the English do.

>>17869709 (OP)
>The worst thing they did was put down resistance from East African bandits and Arab desert Marauders
Bro, you are high.

>>17870161
It was unsustainable because England looted everything that was worth a penny. The entire economy was dismantled just so they could block independence and spite Italy and incite forever wars in the Horn of Africa . You see the results today.

>>17870161
>It was basically a McMansion
Potemkin village, you mean?

>>17869709 (OP)
>Didn’t force cultural or linguistic assimilation like the Bongs and Frogs did
Italians literally had a law against "funny or shameful surnames", by which they meant Croatian and Slovenian ones.
https://hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talijanizacija

>>17869709 (OP)
>>17869862

I'm gonna choose to add this to my personal head canon de historia because I can't shake my own mental stereotype of Italians as a deeply unserious, lackadaisical, undershirt wearing, retire at 54, 3 hour spaghetti lunch, and a people otherwise incapable of *truly* taking to any kind of political extremism due to it.

>>17870473
>and a people otherwise incapable of *truly* taking to any kind of political extremism due to it.
There used to be loads of italian anarchist terrorists during the pre-unification era. Their international shout was that they'd stab you in the back, no questions asked.

>>17870473
niggawut ever heard of the mafia?

>>17869709 (OP)
Mussolini ended slavery in parts of Africa but don’t talk about that because fascist man bad or something

>>17870102
>all major western powers use poison gas in WW1
>nobody cares
>Italy uses poison gas against a handful of niggers in Ethiopia
>”nooooooooooooo that’s a heckin war crimearino!1!1!1” *sanctions Italy and politically isolates them, pushing them into an alliance with Nazi Germany*

>>17870151
>I thought fascists hated towelheads and nogs
no it's false. fascists abolished slavery in ethiopia, if they hated them they wouldn't have.
the reason why civvies were rounded up and killed was because of a resistance group that massacred italian colonists and tried to assassinate rodolfo graziani, at which point he simply wanted every native within 10 miles to be dead.

>>17869709 (OP)
>built roads, hospitals, schools
Literally every single European colonial power did this to some degree

>>17870199
lybia was rightful italian clay after they took it from the ottomans, yes.
>treated Libyans like animals in a zoo
god i wish we had, you truly are animals. alas, we're more civilized and took human rights to heart, even in a totalitarian dictatorship.

They banned interracial marriage which is the worst thing you can do a south european nation

>>17870151
>whole thing about survival of the fittest and the superiority of *insert culture here* or whatever?
No those are nazis. Fascism didn't have any kind of racial segregation law until 1942, when they were basically forced by germany at this point. Mussolini never liked them because he considered jews as assets. The whole racial superiority shtick came from people who were utterly blackpilled degenerates like himmler or goebbels, which initially used it to rile up the populace but then started to believe it for real.

>>17870197
> they tried to gas Ethiopians
And now there’s 130 million of these biomass that are being fed by western taxpayer money. I hope you’re happy.

>>17870151
This has to be b8.
>Whitewashing
Reality isn’t Whitewashing.
>you hate people
“Fascists” don’t hate anyone. This does not mean they’re approving of White replacement.
>will to power and domination survival of the fittest
This is a leftist projection into fascism. Leftism sees the strength and brotherhood of fascism and imagines it at an antithesis of leftism in the historical dialectic, but it’s not. Fascism is more so an antithesis to bourgeois boomerism, its will to power is about stepping beyond technology and material to direct such forces for the benefit of the social good - the people. To take the inhumanity of the industrial society and aim towards a worthy aim, with mass production one can afford mass social programs.
It is Nietzschean in the sense it bridges the gap between mass old society and refined futurist society. Italy and Germany were forward looking and bridging the gap between historical Empires of Mass and Scale and The Civilization State of the future.

If you weren’t ideologically colored you would have found this out on your own. But you are some kind of shitlib who has black twitter level takes and thinks the Chudjak, which is an ironic meme (this does not mean they are not racist, but none of them are actually in a death squad), is unironic and genuine.

>>17871340
>racial superiority
They didn’t call themselves “chosen”. They called themselves noble and they weren’t racial supremacists.
Is an athlete a racial supremacist when they try their best? Is someone a supremacist when they say “I am going to become the best till there is no one better.”?
You only use the buzzword of supremacy because you don’t actually know what they thought.

>>17871349
this philosobabble word salad doesn't say anything about what truly happened. fascism ruined italy and turned it into the vassal of america after engaging in a bloody and humiliating defeat. and all this for what? an old treaty dating back to ww1 about getting some uninhabitated rocks in the adriatic?

maybe they she create a commonwealth? heres Meloni with ethiopias abiy and somalias president farmajio

>>17871401
>buzzword
you are a mentalmidget.
>what truly happened
I described what truly happened, their expressions and manifestations were that of futurism, both had social programs, both had a redesigning of Society both urban and rural, the shift to large scale farms from family farms, pushing for motorization, industrial planning and urban planning for cities of the future, all of this done with state power, it can only be done with State power. The US had Walt Disney who attempted this but got basically nowhere despite his ideas being sound due to the constraints of small local governments.
>fascism ruined italy
fascism wasnt dropping bombs on italians.
>turned it into a vassal
That was America.

Why do shitlibs default to victim blaming?

>blood and humiliating defeat
what is humiliating about fighting valiantly against a much stronger enemy?
>nothing matters xddd
kys

>>17871429
You're a fucking idiot.

>>17871320
>>17871320
This is what the average Italian looks like. You're no different from the Libyan savages you're mocking

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>>17871349
Lmao imagine trying to dicksuck a shitty fascist regime this hard.

>>17870614
Fake sword made by a movie prop firm in Italy. You actually fell for the shittiest photo op prop around.

Imagine being so cucked that a Bedouin desert dweller forces you to kiss his hand as part of a humiliation ritual. No wonder (((they))) tried to get rid of him.

>>17871447
>>17871492
The Poles have arrived.

>>17871343
So your issue is that Italy...doesn't have a fuckton of Africans within it's Empire borders as citizens?

>>17869862
Makes sense, the Italians only had to deal with like three different colonies, just imagine how expensive it would be to try and uplift all of Britain's colonies at the same time. No wonder they decided to just call it quits and leave after ww2.

>>17872402
>Makes sense, the Italians only had to deal with like three different colonies
There's the parts Europe they invaded too.

>just imagine how expensive it would be to try and uplift all of Britain's colonies at the same time.
They just ruled on shoestring budgets. Italy's "development" was a façade since like every other colony in Asia and Africa it all was hyperfocused on the capital/key areas and neglected general human development in favour of get rich quick policies, PR photo material and dominating the populace to comply with those policies.

>>17872418
>like every other colony in Asia and Africa it all was hyperfocused on the capital/key areas
I've never really given it much thought recently but this is a really good explanation for the lopsided development in many colonies, where capitals often looked like any other western city and large parts of the countryside were entirely untouched. And to this day there's tons of people who fall for the same PR material you mention, who will see these capitals and other cities and immediately assume that the rest of the country is just as developed. It also ignores how flashy infrastructure projects mean little when the colonial government spends very little time bothering to actually teach the locals how to use said infrastructure.

>>17871540
Gaddafi was the man Mussolini wished he was.

>>17872469
None of what you said is true.
>>17871566
There wouldn’t be a fuckton of them in that case…

>>17871327
Disgusting faggot freak, kill yourself

>>17873842
>There wouldn’t be a fuckton of them in that case…
There still would be lmao. Much more so since the empire would be covering at it's most hypothetical; Eastern Africa and Libya. How the fuck would they have less Africans.

>>17873856
>There would be more Africans if Europeans never left.
Why do I still go on this board?

>>17873906
You think they'd wipe out their Askari's (hige percent of their colonial and war time army) and colonial labour force?

>>17869709 (OP)
>>Actually invested in their colonies, (built roads, hospitals, schools,) etc.
That was all of the colonial powers.

>>17873916
There wouldn’t be enough to cause a ruckus or revolt see Strage de adiss abeba. So no there’d wouldn’t be more than 130 million like you said. Not even half that amount. And theu would be more spread out across the empire .