Thread 17872767 - /his/

Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:24:20 AM No.17872767
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To be perfectly just is always to give every person exactly what she deserves. But to be perfectly merciful is to give at least some persons less punishment than they deserve. If so, then a being cannot be perfectly just and perfectly merciful. Thus, if moral perfection entails, as seems reasonable, being perfectly just and merciful, then the concept of moral perfection is inconsistent.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 5:46:31 AM No.17872806
a daring synthesis
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:43:29 AM No.17872994
>>17872767 (OP)
This only works if you think that justice is merely obedience to a set of laws rather than a more abstract concept. Remember that the purpose of the law is both to educate and to create accepted ways of solving disputes, it's only concerned with keeping the peace. Every law in some way has to do with a correct method of settling a problem. Injustice creates grievances, and grievances when unresolved lead to violence and disobedience. So what is the point of mercy? Mercy might be a suspension of the standard sanction for a crime or moral failure for a reason tied to the person's own circumstances. As a legislator the laws are inflexible, this is something even the Greeks came to understand and knew that in some way it would lead to injustice. Thus it was up to a judge to determine the circumstances that were unwritten but in line with justice that could be used to determine how best to address a case.

I'll give you an example. Jesus heals a man on the Sabbath. If you simply follow the Torah you know that one cannot work on the Sabbath. But what is work? This is a matter of debate and is not enumerated in the text itself, so then you as a judge must ask yourself, this Jesus has been brought before you in a case pertaining to a transgression. Do you consider healing on the Sabbath to be work? Is saving a life something that one must do even if it is considered "work"? How about merely restoring a man's withered hand? If the latter is not, then is he not guilty of doing so? And if he is, shouldn't he be punished? And yet you as a judge would know that he had done a good thing, so you could simply perform an act of mercy and let him go. Because at the end of the day mercy is not about cases in which a man is fully aware of what he is doing and has no reason for doing so, but rather for cases in which a man is doing good but is caught by inflexible laws or he is so overburdened by a poor constitution or mental state that he is inclined to disobedience.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:56:26 AM No.17873004
mercy vs justice
mercy vs justice
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>>17872767 (OP)
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:57:46 AM No.17873006
>>17872994
law is law and justice is justice, don't mix it
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 10:06:47 AM No.17873079
>>17873006
When we are discussing God we are already discussing an abstract being. This being is the one who secures your "rights" in the first place. This is also the one who gives you "responsibilities" when it comes to dealing with other people. There is nothing self-evident about these claims. Rights and responsibilities are not real, and the only way they can truly be manifest is through law. And if you believe that there is divinely revealed law, then please feel free to explain it to me. Justice is an instrumental good, the purpose is to bring about a common good for all, and for most people we view the common good as good for ourselves. The only way to even create justice is through the law, written or unwritten. Any example you can think of as an injustice is either your own impotence causing you to lose out, something that violates a written human law, or a "divinely revealed law".
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 10:12:33 AM No.17873089
>>17873079
nobody discus gods here you schizo, now fuck off with your babble
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 10:29:20 AM No.17873104
Also when discussing justice one should have a clear goal as to what is its objective. If it is simply to punish the perpetrator then the sentence will be harsher. Otherwise if it simply a way to correct the problematic behavour then it would be lighter and more psychologically advanced.

But from the pov of the first method a punishment by the second would be merciful but in the other way around it would be way too harsh completely nullifying any sense of "justice".