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Anonymous No.17884307 >>17884322 >>17884326 >>17884352 >>17884361 >>17884491 >>17884538 >>17884571 >>17884664 >>17884817 >>17884842 >>17884861 >>17884882 >>17884931 >>17885645 >>17885857 >>17885995 >>17886510 >>17886949
Russian erasure in Kazakhstan
Why does Russia not stop Kazakhstan from replacing and erasing Russian legacy and demographics when that is the exact excuse used to invade Ukraine
Anonymous No.17884313 >>17884324 >>17885651 >>17885806 >>17887026 >>17888562 >>17888700 >>17889740
believe it or not, because the russian leadership actually doesn't like war and military adventurism but instead tries to build a secular liberal democratic state that follows human rights and conforms to the standards of the UN.
the maidan just made ukraine an unavoidable security issue.
of course you don't actually care about the answer since this is just a thinly disguised russia hate thread.
Anonymous No.17884322
>>17884307 (OP)
It is the official policy of the Russian government to erase Russians and replace them with central Asians, their policy goals are the same as those of the Kazakh government
Anonymous No.17884324
>>17884313
now thats a good joke
Anonymous No.17884326
>>17884307 (OP)
Russia is both supporting and causing said Russian exodus. Russia’s official stance on the matter is whatever benefits Putin’s allies, in the west this would be genocide of the highest order, in central Asia it’s just colonizers being urged to accept native culture. Coupled with Russia paying these “ethnic” Russians to leave and come home, these exclaves never had a chance.
Anonymous No.17884339 >>17884346 >>17888559
Russia should have just cut into Ukraine and Kazakhstan and taken their russian territories once they left the Union
Anonymous No.17884346
>>17884339
Ukraine would have been tricky but Russia could have 100% taken back central Asia without any trouble nor political backlash, everyone expect a post Soviet civil war into reunification at the time, alot of people were doomering of the thought of the impending conflicts just to have their expectations dashed
Anonymous No.17884352
>>17884307 (OP)
Because current kremlin rulers are actually anti russian.
>but they oppose west
Only because west is trying to take over their turf and don't allow them to get into hig boys clubOtherwise they would be happy to rob russians blind and send all wealth west alongside with their family members(they still try to do it)
Anonymous No.17884361 >>17884400 >>17887256 >>17888407
>>17884307 (OP)
as much as Kremlin propaganda seethes at the corrupted dying satanic homosex Europe, Russian identity at its very core is built around this paradoxical unanswerable question about whether Russia is European or not. this obsession with Europe and how Russia fits into it goes back centuries with people larping about how the seizure of Crimea and its scattered Hellenic ruins unlocked some magical ancestral link to the Greco Roman lineage the rest of Europe autistically fought over, this obsession with Kiev as the spiritual heartland of the Rus because of the Kievan Rus' ties to the Byzantines unlike Muscovy's history of the Mongol yoke and then isolation in the middle of nowhere, and then you have the Orthodox church larping as some inheritor of Rome.

the massive cultural weight of Europe as an idea in the minds of Russians filters into their strategic decision making, the Kremlin is unhappy with their imploding influence in Syria and the Caucuses and Central Asia but Ukriane is just ultimately more important because it is their gateway to Europe. this obsession with Russia as being tied into Europe on some destiny level is so strong that they are pouring their state into the current quagmire in Ukraine despite their domestic industries and banks being increasingly replaced by Chinese ones, a trade off that seems unacceptable if the core issue was just national sovereignty. then again it is a fucking pathetic joke to pretend Ukraine was ever a threat to Russia, as pathetic as claiming the war is about NATO when Russian actions brought Finland and Sweden into NATO, has reinvigorated the alliance, and is seeing Turkey replacing Russia as the security partner of choice in the Caucuses. that said Duma members have been regularly threatening Kazakhstan for years now for what its worth.
Anonymous No.17884400 >>17884538 >>17885748
>>17884361
>that said Duma members have been regularly threatening Kazakhstan for years now for what its worth.

Russia would never allow criticism of their golden churkas source??
Anonymous No.17884491
>>17884307 (OP)
It's a sacrifice for the Great Eurasian Empire
Anonymous No.17884538 >>17885748
>>17884307 (OP)
Cause russcucks love churkas and turko-mongols and hate europeans
>>17884400
This
Seem weird
Anonymous No.17884571 >>17884688 >>17887167
>>17884307 (OP)
Is that saying Germans were 10% of the population in 1939?
Anonymous No.17884664
>>17884307 (OP)
It's hilarious how much Putin sucks churka dick. He sent troops to help the Kazakh dictatorship suppress protests and then got basically given a "damn that's crazy" when it came to helping out Russian niggerosity in Ukraine in any way.
Anonymous No.17884688
>>17884571
That's Ukrainians
Anonymous No.17884817
>>17884307 (OP)
tiny white peckers just cant breed kek
Anonymous No.17884842
>>17884307 (OP)
Wasn't that issue already somewhat solved by the late 2000s?
They have a detente now if I'm not mistaken. But anyway Kazakhstan is a Russian Ally and post Maidan Ukraine was very much not going to be one. Which is why they intervened on Ukraine. Plus Russia was doing much worse when the Kazakh thing was popping off than when Euromaidan happened.
Anonymous No.17884861 >>17884881
>>17884307 (OP)

> Why does Russia not stop Kazakhstan from replacing and erasing Russian legacy and demographics

The Kazakh government is not doing that. Many ethnic Russians left of their own accord after 1991, and that slow migration is still happening today. You’re posting the difference between the 1939 census, when many ethnic Russians had settled since czarist times as farmers in the steppes of the north and the Soviets had just finished putting in the current borders, and 2023, when lots of Russians left Kazakh cities in the south (near the primary population centers of Central Asia in Uzbekistan) because they were not rooted there by settler legacy like in the north so they left, and lots of changes occurred between then and now. And also, it depends on how an ethnic Russian is defined, and many people you would consider ethnic Russians consider themselves as Kazakh, often by intermarriage. If you want to say that Russian legacy is being erased, the Russian language is still very widely spoken in the north and many ethnic Kazakhs are bilingual in it, and Kazakh leaders actually still speak Russian during many government functions and even public speeches. Kazakh leaders do a weird juggling act where they encourage Kazakh language and culture while quietly continuing to use Russian and teach subjects Russian style and not spreading use of Kazakh because it’s impractical to do so, it’s not a planned ethnic cleansing.
Anonymous No.17884881 >>17884888 >>17884911
>>17884861
>Ethnic and cultural replacement is heckin okay only if your nice about it
Anonymous No.17884882 >>17884915
>>17884307 (OP)
Rusgroids are worse than turkics. So it's a good thing that they are allowing Kazakhstan to wipe out the wart that is russian culture. It's probably wahhabi muftis that are convincing them to go about doing that.
They should ideally wipe themselves out next.
Anonymous No.17884888
>>17884881
I mean at some point you are trying to fight the concept of demographic change in itself. What did you want, for time to stop?
Anonymous No.17884911
>>17884881

The Russians are leaving on their own dude, what did you expect after Kazakhstan declared independence? Unless they’re from multigenerational families who settled in the north during the Virgin Lands program or maybe transplants from the Soviet period who had good positions, most of them had no roots in that land and little incentive to stay in it, ethnic Russians did the same thing in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Azerbaijan.
Anonymous No.17884915 >>17884921
>>17884882

> It's probably wahhabi muftis that are convincing them to go about doing that

Topkek, are anons really this ignorant about Central Asia other than watching Borat? It honestly surprises me, are these /pol/tards or something?
Anonymous No.17884921 >>17884937
>>17884915
Sufism is on the rise all over that region since Taliban took their country back.
There is no more baathi divisive politics. Gulfies are taking advantage of the situation.
Anonymous No.17884931
>>17884307 (OP)
Less threatening + already busy with Georgia and Ukraine and maybe a Baltic state later
Anonymous No.17884937
>>17884921

> There is no more baathi divisive politics
I’d consider it more of a USSR-, almost Kemalist-style authoritarian government with a thin veneer of Turkic pride, which is not ideologically divisive, as divisions in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are more personality- and regionally-based. The Central Asian governments are allowing Gulfie money (mostly Saudi money) in to fund building projects and regulate the hajj, but their religious ministries are stopping the Gulfies from establishing religious over their people.

In Uzbekistan and Tajikistan your point stands a bit, but not in Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan.
Anonymous No.17885645
>>17884307 (OP)
Because putin stamped out russian ethnic nationalism in the oughts, current ethnic policy is the old soviet "brotherhood of nations", which is why ethnic russians are forced to learn whatever turkic or uralic language of the region they live in.
Anonymous No.17885651
>>17884313
(You)
Anonymous No.17885748
>>17884400
>>17884538
the Duma is a clown show of harmless theatrics at this point but Andrey Gurulyov in particular makes bellicose seething statements whenever the Kazakhstan government steps away from Moscows position on geopolitical rhetoric/historical revisionism
Anonymous No.17885806
>>17884313
>he maidan just made ukraine an unavoidable security issue
Yoy could say I am retarded with fewer words
Anonymous No.17885857 >>17886484
>>17884307 (OP)
Believe it or not /pol/ memes are not reality
Anonymous No.17885949 >>17886628
>40% of 6 million = 2,4 million
>15% of 20 million = 3 million
>Tfw russian population increased

Gj OP for being an illiterate retard even dumber than school kids.
Anonymous No.17885995
>>17884307 (OP)
Shit country that's somehow worse than russia so people just leave.
If you want an actual example of russian erasure look to Tajikistan
Anonymous No.17886484
>>17885857
Anonymous No.17886510
>>17884307 (OP)
Because after the dissolution of the USSR most ethnic Russians moved to Russia, that's literally it
Anonymous No.17886628 >>17888557
>>17885949
Just because the overall population increased does not mean Russians are not losing their demographic and cultural influence. You could say the same about Russia proper it means nothing.
Anonymous No.17886949
>>17884307 (OP)
rushits are invaders on a foreign country they don't belong there and they should be grateful the Kazakh didn't go full genocide mode on them, yet....
Anonymous No.17887026
>>17884313
>believe it or not
i wish choices in life were as easy as you put it for us, and for that im thankful
Anonymous No.17887167
>>17884571
German diaspora got moved from the volga region to Kazakhstan among many other remote places as part of Stalin's purges
Anonymous No.17887256 >>17888407
>>17884361
>this obsession with Russia as being tied into Europe on some destiny level is so strong that they are pouring their state into the current quagmire in Ukraine despite their domestic industries and banks being increasingly replaced by Chinese ones
Don Quixote empire
https://youtu.be/ylYv1WmqJCQ
Anonymous No.17888407
>>17884361
>>17887256
is there any truth to this? do russians really resent their ties to asia?
Anonymous No.17888557
>>17886628
>just because the data completely contradicts my propaganda narrative doesn't mean I need to shut up

but yes you do
Anonymous No.17888559
>>17884339
Kazakhstan was given a decent chunk of southernmost Russia in Soviet times, in the same way Ukraine was given Crimea then
Anonymous No.17888562
>>17884313
Lmao
Anonymous No.17888700
>>17884313
>thinly disguised russia hate thread
It's not disguised at all, hating Russia is a calling.
Anonymous No.17889725
The Republic of Kazakhstan has its own unique culture. It's true that recently its culture has been effected by Soviet culture, it had a unique culture before Soviet occupation.
Anonymous No.17889740
>>17884313
>Russia is an actual country with real people in it and not a thinly-veiled subhuman shithole trying to humiliate the human race
I don't believe you. Gonna need a source.