Iranian used to be the dominant language of the region due to Iranian influence stretching back to Ancient times. In the Russian Era, the Tsars encouraged the use of Turkish to distance the locals from Tehran
>>17884704 (OP)
Because the invading Mongols raped so many Turkic women that the Golden Horde experienced a language shift because there weren't enough Mongolian men around to teach Mongolian to their rapebabies to speak Mongolian
>>17884704 (OP)
Mongol dynasties ruled this region for 600 years from the initial mongol conquest until the Russians conquered Central Asia. I don’t know how they don’t have much cultural or racial(except for Kazakhstan) influence on the region.
>>17885044 >iranian
They werent iranian, they were indo aryans and they werent natives either
Indo aryans are invaders to the region aswell
As for what you asked, turks are the result of indo aryans mixed with siberians/mongols
>>17885147
chinggisid dynasties ruled the region for 600 years. I’m not gonna name them all because they’re a lot. The only two mongol dynasties I know of that weren’t descended of genghis were the timurids and the Qungrat dynasty that ruled khiva.
>>17885214
West Asian or Caucasian yes. Not MENA.
Timur has a poor reputation in MENA. He is considered a manifestation of the Dajjal (Antichrist equivalent).
Saudis are sending terrorists over to central asia to gaslight locals into killing each other as punishment for worshiping their religion's antichrist equivalent and being fake Muslims.
>>17885147
There's no proof the person tested is Timur's descendant.
They didn't even test Mughal descendants or bodies, they tested random Iranians who claimed descent from Timurids left behind in Iran.
Also haplgroup J subclades in Mongolia and Xinjiang have nothing to do with Arabs, they split apart in prehistoric times from the Middle Eastern and European J2 and J1.
There are Gokturk remains in Mongolia ans Kazakhstan from before Islam which have J1. There wasn't a single Arab there.
>>17885211
Actually, no. Their lineages are pretty well recorded and almost all of the first rulers of said dynasties had a father or direct grandfather that was a khan.
>>17885305
Raped women are generally less likely to get pregnant and more likely to miscarry due to stress. Rape is rather ineffectice way to create a lasting demographic shift.
>>17886118
because nomadic empires don't have cultural influence.
they elites were ethnic mongol, but the population wasn't and still spoke turkic languages as opposed to switching to mongolian.
all of the mongol successor states adopted most or all of the culture of the region they invaded. for the golden horde and chagatai this was turkic culture.
the op question is basically the same as asking why central asia practices islam and not mongol paganism: it's because nomad empires don't just replace the culture of the country they invade.
>>17885477
West asians have nothing to do with Arabs to be fair. In the time of the Ottoman Empire the Muslim west asians drew lines between themselves and MENAs out of fear of being ousted as gays and alcoholics and being killed. There's a reason why bedouin Arabs broke away from that false caliphate.
>>17885227
West Asian/Caucasian is a region of MENA. CHG is almost the same as Zagrosian. CHG/Zagros and Natufian are like the WHG-EHG of MENA. ANF is like the ANE of MENA in that it contributed to a vast group of people on different continents.
>>17888106
lol it did.
zagros range is the border of MENA >>17888112
neither of those people exist now and to be honest it's not relevant to contemporary understanding of MENA >Sumer
they claimed to be from a mountain area >Elam
their homeland is firmly in Iranian plateau, not MENA.
>>17885589 >Iranic
no such word exists. That's Iranian.
Turkish/Turkic classification makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.
The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand. >B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the Iranics
They have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.
>>17888118
Nope. It's female-mediated from Islamic times. There was literally no sub-Saharan in DNA samples from Socotra, the island off the coast of Yemen. SSA in MENA do not define them whatsoever. Afghans are MENA and Georgians are MENA. >neither of those people exist now
Well, Caucasian languages do, so not all of the MENA region speaks Afro-Asiatic. >their homeland is firmly in Iranian plateau, not MENA.
Lmao. MENA is from Morocco to India in genetic terms. The largest genetic component in Indians is Zagrosian which is also what Chechens have in CHG.
>>17888600
You can find people from India that can be confused for North Africans or Georgians, this is because of the similar Basal Eurasiatic DNA they have from various migrations inside the MENA region. European people look very different, and there is no overlap between European looks and MENA looks when you remove the ANF mutts phenotypes. A real North European does not look like a MENA-Caucasian. WHG was too different from from Basalids that these distinctions live to this day.
