Thread 17886658

Was Nazi race science retarded?

>>17886658 (OP)
>Slavs
Were also considered Aryan, so if you're a Slav you're in luck. I think this explains why there are so many Slavic Nazis after the dissolution of communism and the perpetual failure of liberalism over there.

>>17886658 (OP)
This is fantasy stupidity they believed all Europeans were Aryans just that germanics had achieved the most and had the highest ceiling

>>17886658 (OP)
The more you look at it, the shittier it gets

>>17886658 (OP)
>under humanity
kinda based ngl
extrapolating what hitler meant to moder anthropology, he actually meant what is nowadays known as the nordics, granted germany is an ultra mutt (no offense though, talking populations) of western aryans, eastern aryans and nordics

>>17886682
This lmao

>>17886658 (OP)
>under-humanity

>>17886698
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_purism_in_English

Honestly it's not that different from the kind of autistic racial ideologies espoused on this board

>>17886658 (OP)
Yep.

>>17886658 (OP)
Batarded

>>17886882
Agreed. Semitism has got to stop.

>>17886658 (OP)
They considered Brits as noble Europeans due to the significance of their culture and empire. Didn't work out so well.
On the other hand there's peoples like the Czechs an industrious nation that they saw as below the Brits, yet in reality were far closer to Germaniancs in every meaningful way.
Unlucky that ""modern science"" at the time was colored by cultural considerations, history could've turned out less retarded.

>>17886658 (OP)
>fantasy map completely unrelated to a single historical document or policy
>>>/tv/

>>17887232
It's based off what Hitler says in Mein Kampf and Table Talk

>>17887253
>Table Talk
ISHYDDT

>>17886658 (OP)
Fake map.

>>17887017
Being Fair Czech isnt an ethnicity, they are Austrians who came to speak Slavic because of oddly written inheritance laws (this is a Germanic trait btw) from early Bohemia.
They arent particularly industrious they are just average Central Europeans who speak a different language.

Poles are meaningfully different from Czechs.
Genetically speaking Czechs and Slovaks are clustered inbetween Magyars and Bavarians, they are completely outside the Slavic cluster.
Poles on the other hand are genetically a 1:1 with Russians, more so than Ukrainians are.

Remember to remind Polans that the Ukrainian refugees in Poland are genetically closer to Germans than they are to Poles and Russians.
Polskis hate hearing this (because they hate reality).

>>17886658 (OP)
>>17887253
>Hungary
>magyar, aka altaic, aka chink
>it's classified as Aryan
>meanwhile Poland, Spain, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Karelia (Finnish under USSR) aren't DESPITE BEING WHITES
Wtf?!

>>17887253
>In mein kampf Hitler writes that Hungarians are Aryans and Romanians are not
Sorry, watching Jewish TV shows does not qualify you to make a /his/ thread
>>>/tv/

>>17887271
This map is from a 19th century encyclopedia by Hermann Julius Meyer, who died in 1909

>>17887294
This.

>>17887253
Well table talk isnt real and Mein Kampf were just Hitler's personal thoughts while he was in prison. Its absurd to think Hitler had no change in perspective over a 20 year period going from his late 20s early 30s to his 50s.
How many people today change immensely going just from 30 to 40, Hitler had an entire two decades between Mein Kampf and his death.
A decade almost exactly between Mein Kampf and being elected.
Hitler wrote a second book after Mein Kampf where he refined a lot of his previous ideas into a more cohesive perspective.

>>17887287
>Ukrainian refugees in Poland are genetically closer to Germans than they are to Poles and Russians.
Nice shitpost Taras but you are literally just a particularly low-iq subspecies of Russian peasant

>>17887295
And it still matched what science (including German science) at the time believed about race. You need to keep in mind that this was before the discovery of DNA. People attempted to reconstruct the racial origins of people based on linguistics. And it turns out: they were pretty close.

>>17887302
>Ukrainian refugees in Poland are genetically closer to Germans
This sounds accurate.

>>17887304
>People attempted to reconstruct the racial origins of people based on linguistics. And it turns out: they were pretty close.
That actually seems pretty logical considering animals can be pretty well particularized on that premise.

>>17887290
The Nazis generally treated Uralic peoples (Finns and Hungarians) as being Germanic-related. Yes they spoke weird languages but they were seen as long lost cousins or something
>>17887304
Your map has nothing to do with the racial views of the 1930s. It's irrelevant

>>17887312
>The Nazis generally treated Uralic peoples (Finns and Hungarians) as being Germanic-related.
You can't just come to /his/ and make up random fantasy nonsense. Your ideas will be more appreciated on this board:
>>>/tv/

>>17887312
>Your map has nothing to do with the racial views of the 1930s.
And you base this on what? Even Alfred Rosenberg explicitly speaks of "Nordic Russian Blood" - which he contrasts with the "Jews" and "Tartars" who supposedly led the Communist movement.

Even the Nazis did not completely overturn past doctrines. Robert Ley explicitly states in the official party manual that there is no such thing as a "German race" but that Germans are composed of multiple, races of compatible blood and that all peoples settling in Europe (explicitly naming Danes and Poles) are also of compatible blood and fully capable of being integrated into the Reich.

I have no doubt that for political reasons you'll find all kinds of Nazi leaders disparage various European nationalities or selectively excluded them from their status as Aryan, arguing their blood had been diluted or their intelligentsia replaced by Jews or whatever, depending on their allegiances, but the scientific doctrine was not overturned by them.

>>17887336
Good post. Hadn't heard of Robert Ley though,interesting!

>>17887333
It's not made up. It was part of their official racial doctrine
>>17887336
Robert Ley wasn't particularly important. I don't think the average Nazi or even the average German wanted to accept Polish immigrants into Germany

>>17887312
>Uralic peoples (Finns and Hungarians) as being Germanic-related. Yes they spoke weird languages
...But wasn't that obvious that uralic speaking whites speak uralic for A REASON? Wasn't that obvious that they were conquered and (possibly) mass raped by asiatic invaders?

>>17887336
>Even Alfred Rosenberg explicitly speaks of "Nordic Russian Blood"
Have you read 'Myth of the Twentieth Century'?
Rosenberg isn't exactly a huge fan of Russians. He might have classified a minority of them as Nordic but that didn't inform his view of them as a whole

>>17887368
>I don't think the average Nazi or even the average German wanted to accept Polish immigrants into Germany
They were de-facto already there. There were plenty of people with Polish origins in the Ruhr Area. They typically identified as German however. Thinking of this in modern terms is nonsensical since Poles at the time had no ambition to move to Germany and become immigrants.
You are completely right that Ley was neither particularly important nor was he uncontroversial, but he was one of the higher ups who had a fairly Pan-European opinion on such matters, so it should not be ignored. Hitler himself certainly held anti-slavic ressentiments from his KuK experience and many Junckers thought in a similar manner. But the idea that this represents the movement and was reflected in the science of the time is simply not true. If you had asked German anthropologists at the time, they probably wouldn't have doubted the Aryan heritage of Slavs (although some might have been in disagreement about the degree of Aryan heritage).

>>17887376
The Nazis didn't think like that. They judged races based on perceived civilization-creating ability not just language
Many are confused by this because the Nazis were randomly okay with some Slavic groups (notably Croats) but hated the Russians

>>17887383
>since Poles at the time had no ambition to move to Germany
I mean they ended up taking over all of Eastern Germany so clearly there was some ambition there

>>17887379
My point is not that he's a fan of Russians but rather that even he does not deny their origin. If anything he views them as a fallen people, whose blood has been diluted by "Eastern Hordes" and who were then misled by Jews, but even he makes no claims of Slavs being anything but Aryan in origin. And he expresses the highest praise of Dostoevsky too.

>>17887383
Poles and Russians were the largest immigrant groups in 1920s Germany

>>17887385
So, mixed nations are ok if they have a decent society and infrastructure?
Pretty woke.

>>17887398
In the 1930s with the Nazis in charge immigrating to Germany probably was not their first priority.

I'm not making the argument that the Nazis were friendly towards Slavs, I'm merely questioning the narrative that whatever ressentiment their held was more politically opportunistic or pre-existing (from KuK or Prussian Anti-Slavic sentiments) rather than something derived from race science.

>>17887401
Yes, if by mixed you mean a mix of Bavarians, Prussians, Austrians; or alternatively a mix of English, Welsh, and Scottish.
If you mean something like the EU or Austria-Hungary then no

>>17887410
>I'm not making the argument that the Nazis were friendly towards Slavs, I'm merely questioning the narrative that whatever ressentiment their held was more politically opportunistic or pre-existing (from KuK or Prussian Anti-Slavic sentiments) rather than something derived from race science.
That came out wrong: I'm questioning the race science angle and find the opportunism / ressentiment angle more plausible.

>>17887299
>Its absurd to think Hitler had no change in perspective over a 20 year period going from his late 20s early 30s to his 50s.
>How many people today change immensely going just from 30 to 40, Hitler had an entire two decades between Mein Kampf and his death.
Hitler wasn't exactly an ordinary person, and if he changed his mind on anything crucial then I don't think he would have kept the book as the centerpiece of NS ideology.

>>17887271
>Hungarians, Finnish
>Mongolian
Pretty sure the Nazis did not follow this map

>>17887411
>if by mixed you mean
By "mixed" I mean finns who:
1.Speak an asiatic language because they got colonised by some yakut reindeer herders a few thouthand years ago.
2.Have 8-12% of asian ancestry.
3.Trace 60% of their paternal lines back to these yakuts.

Same for hungarians but they have far less asian DNA and far far less asian y-dna.

Russians are asiatic because they have 10-20% finnish ancestry btw.

Seems about right but
Albania should be grey and Finland should be mixed.
Latvia should also be mixed and maybe even red because it's literally one of the blondest countries in the world
idk what big H was thinking with that one.

Everything else is spot on.

>>17886671
>>17886675
holy cognitive dissonance

>>17887456
Russia is a third world country. Finland is a first world country. It's not hard to see why Nazis would like the latter and not the former

>>17887299
>Its absurd to think Hitler had no change in perspective over a 20 year period going from his late 20s early 30s to his 50s.
This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Yeah, the guy who wrote Mein Kampf then led Germany to WW2 had massive character development in his views.

>>17887498
Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you studied the lead up to WWII?
you sound like your basing your post off of the orthodox narrative which is filled with inconsistencies.

For example, Hitler's entire passage on Lebensraum and the East is a speculative hypothetical taking place long after Hitler lived and died.
Like when Chuds say they are going to need to clean up Africa of blacks to wage a final war against China and Russia, this is not something they intend on seeing in their lifetime but rather a plausible strategic option that must be explored by their descendants.
You havent actually read Mein Kampf thats why you think its some grand canonical masterplan and not just Hitler's personal thoughts about the world and its future.

>>17887507
Hitler wasn't sure whether the war with Russia would happen in his lifetime or not, but he did believe it was inevitable

>>17887451
My stepfather is a hungarian from jersey. He's white.

>>17887287
>Poles on the other hand are genetically a 1:1 with Russians
Poles are the most Nordic out of all Slavs, and are culturally similar to Germans, therefore also close to Austrians and Czechs. Stfu and kys, you don't know what you're talking about. Russians have the Uralic and Mongol admixture.

>>17886658 (OP)
yes. don't even get me started on how stupid the term "Aryan" is.

>>17888322
>Poles are Nordic

>>17888322
Far right looks like me and i'm greek.

>>17888324
Basques are actually more genetically Aryan than most Spaniards because they recieved less North African admixture

>>17888551
Aryan =/= European you crayon munching spastic. Finns and Basques are European but not Aryan.

>>17888584
>this guy comes up to you and calls you subhuman

>>17886658 (OP)
all science is

>>17888585
>sorry, little guy. I don't speak a steppe nigger language.

>>17887466

>So mixed nations are ok if they have a decent society and infrastructure?

>>17888322
Polish or polish-american hands typed this.

Btw czechs obviously most nordic because they are 30% germanic and poles are like 10%.

>>17888584
???
Finns have highest steppe admixture among all peoples of our time.

>>17888592
only Basque Huguenots are white. everyone else is a fucking nigger.

>>17886658 (OP)
The Aryan (Med-Nordid depigmented shitskin) is obviously different and more Arap from my naturally depigmented EHG phenotype. I'm something more Australoid-Mongoloid, le Cromagnid.

>>17888607
why does every italian have those eyes

>>17888590
You should see how the Germans viewed the Japanese. Aryan blood is a bunch of nonsense. The USA they denigrated as negrofied and judified still sits at the top of the world a century later.

>>17888610
>still sits at the top of the world a century later.
I guess if carriers is our sole metric of success.

>>17888608
Italians have Southern eyes (no eye-hooding = no built-in protection from cold, they simply don't need it). I have an additonal layer of skin/fat on my eyes.
But Southerners also usually lack a primitive ass-looking brow ridge that makes your forehead look sloppy. So it's not that bad. I'm pro-Arabi puss myself.

Yamnigs probably looked like supermodeloids

A late CWC is the typa nigga to get 0 matches on Tinder

>>17888621
>America kids are being stabbed in the heart by 85IQ ape people
>this is what being on top looks like

>>17888322
Poles are literally identical to Russians genetically.
>>17887513
I agree and I think he was right as Russia is an outsider to Europe and Slavic countries are ultimately extensions of Russia whether they are rebellious outer provinces (Poland) or literal inroads to Europe by Russia directly (Belarus).
We see today Russia and the West can not get along despite a war taking place solely in Eastern Europe and solely between Slavs, the West is still hostile to a democratic Russia which is liberal, pro-homo, filled with Muds and AIDs.
The West still can not tolerate Russia.

Maybe just kill the Arap and take his women like we always did?

She left her [ANF] man at home [in shItalia]. She don't love him no more [she wants the EHG dick].

Stuart Little, heard these [shItalian] niggas some rats
Pockets full of cheese [for ANF rats], bitch I got racks [from robbies their civilizazziona]

>>17886658 (OP)
its retarded, basically same braindead shit as communism mixing ideology with science (lysenkoism)

Draenei vs Goblin. How did it happen?

South Europeans obviously believe in the racial hierarchy. This is why they're behind most racist comments.
Are they lower than Indians? The Jeets of Europa.

But I don't even care at this point. Just rape them Araps and take them halal pussies as always.

In the heart of pre-historic Europe, an EHG man stands at the edge of a cliff, his muscular frame silhouetted against the setting sun. His eyes scan the horizon, searching for the land of the ANF, a place of sophistication and beauty, yet also one of prejudice and hatred.
The EHG man, an ogremaxxed warrior, has embarked on a quest to conquer the ANF and claim their most precious treasure - their women. His motives are clear: to sire a new generation of hybrids, the first step in creating a new, superior race that will dominate the world.
As he rides his magnificent steed across the landscape, the EHG man's thoughts turn to the ANF woman he will claim. She will be the epitome of her kind, her delicate features a contrast to the ugliness that resides within her people's hearts. Her body will be a canvas for his seed, a vessel for the new life he intends to create.
As the sun begins to set, the EHG man spots the first signs of the ANF settlement in the distance. His heart quickens, his muscles tense, and his resolve strengthens. The time has come to make history, to lay the foundation for a new era of dominance and power. The stage is set for the epic tale of the EHG man and the ANF woman, a story that will echo through the ages and shape the destiny of the world.

The EHG man and the ANF woman.

ANF = White as fuck
WHG = Brown liar

>>17888607
You gotta be really fucked in the head to make this pictures lmao. I wonder if this autist is still a virgin.

>>17888974
Keep woondering, Arap.

>>17888620
Are you retarded? Music, money, business, media, tech, AI; the U.S is at the top in literally all relevant categories. Keep seething chud. You and the krauts are literal subhumans.

Who remembers this Finnish genius?

That's a different Swedish genius

Maybe I should stick to the school of thought of the Finnish genius and not make anti-WHG collages like this... Because they can't be deboonked by the Greek genius: >>17886052

*CAN
Ω μαμά...

>>17889064
Why does the guy on the right have upside down ears

>>17889087
Idk. Medicists tried to brainwash me into hating Euro-Negroids.

>>17887290
He didnt consider Hungries as aryan the map is retarded.
Also he was butthurt about Budapest because he thought Vienna should have been the coolest city on the Danube.

The Caucasoid skull is now seen as a degeneracy. You can't stop it. The UP Europeans win for the first time.

Moderno vs Sunghir

>>17889021
>>17889124
too high IQ for this board

Guess which one has more prognathism aka le forward growth.
Once you nootice you can't unnotice.

Once you nootice...

>>17886658 (OP)

Evolutionary "science", eugenics, and racialism is pseudoscience. Read Galatians 3:28.

>>17889170
Ancient jews were Greek though so it's talking about ethnicity, not race.

>>17886658 (OP)
It was retarded, but it was kino, so retards liked it.

Globular Amphora new aryan core? Slavs and balts have more yamnaya component than germans so we need to find out new aryan core for germans

Subhumanoid ANF Med-Nordidcels like this Goeblin used to bully our Sami queens.
Just kill them Araps, oh... Allahu Akbar, oh! Allahu Akbar!

Just farm them.

It's really unnatural for any Eurasian to have curly bizon hair when even Draividans have straight hair. Never forgetti.

>>17889243
What do Dravidians have to do with it?

>>17889261
They don't look Medjeeto-Nordjeet inceloid-araboid.

>>17889265
Go outside bro.

It's not even science, it's just a weird obsession with Nordic people

>>17889267
>>17889268
>Nordjeets
Offended sneaky Churkas. The real deal Northern Europeans woundn't be offended.

Araps are only good for a harem

>>17888610
>Aryan blood is a bunch of nonsense.
Wow, so they weren't racist at all, didn't care about blood putity and were fucking WOKE?

Medjeets and their likes should be called Mago/meds/

>>17888584
I'm using Aryan as a racial term and not a linguistic term, Basques are racially more Aryan than other Spaniards

>>17886658 (OP)
I read "der untermensch" and it seems to insinuate that Slavs are aryan but have been taken over by undermen (why wouldn't it? I was under the impression that the plan to colonize Eastern Europe would mostly involve germanicizing the preexistant slavs - this would work best if both parties were convinced of some sort of racial equality).
It even calls Turks Aryan.
Anyways, any primary german source I've read indicates that they simply believed in *every race* there existed greater or lesser men. The greater men of the european race they called "Aryans"
Though it was sort of a given I think that if you were racially mixed you became of lesser quality. Though one could be both pure and lesser at the same time.

>>17889441
I should add that it seemed to me to be a mix of bunk science, real science, and political ambitions.
Ultimately MORE tame thoughever than the eugenicist movements in America and Britain LMAO

Shhh, don't tell the Negroe >>17889122

>>17886658 (OP)
>Estonians are Aryan
>Latvians are subhumans
What a fucking joke of an ideology

>>17889441
'Undermen' was an insult for Slavs, roughly meaning 'slave'
The implication is they're 'under' the Jews, as in slaves of the Jews
Although it has a double-meaning as a resident of the underworld
Der Untermensch is an odd text as it portrays the Russian Slavs both as victims of their own society but also as enemies of German society. The core message is the Russians can't be 'saved' because their culture is simply too barbaric

>>17887461
A lot of top Bolsheviks were Latvian so that might be why

>Ummm Slav(e)s
Will you be worshipped as a White man in India or not, Dalit? This is the only thing that matters, Brownjeet monkey.
See, I have more ANF and this is what gives me English, I should be a Brownjeet but I'm bald enough to identify as a Greek statue. See >>17888917

99 Araps in this thread will NOT be worshipped by Tamil big booty bitches. Y'all only get attention from the awkward Jeetgymmaxxers named.
The Tamil big booty bitches will be stolen from under your nose by K-Popmaxxers and Arabmaxxers (yes, when a non-Arabi larps as a Muslim, it makes him more attractive, undeniable).

*named RANJESH
I'm done for tonight, good night, Ranjeets.

>>17889411
as a Basque I would feel insulted if I were called "Aryan" instead of Iberian. The original Aryans were steppe niggers no better than the Huns, Mongols, and Turks and I will literally beat the crap out of anyone who calls me "Aryan" in public.

>>17889271
>absolute honorary

>>17886658 (OP)
The Nordics and skull measuring spergs were a vocal minority in the NS state and were hardly taken seriously.

>>17889974
Despite your larp you are 35% Aryan genetically and have y-dna R1b

>>17890134
say that to my face you fucking steppe nigger.

>>17890134
Nobody who has sex knows what that means.

>>17886658 (OP)
>We are superior and our enemies are inferior except for the British who will definitely make peace at some point and accept our position as a hegemon of Europe even though they didn't in WW1 and did everything possible to prevent it.
Yeah, they were pretty retarded.

>>17890386
where do you think you are?

>>17890543
England briefly had a Nazi king so it's not as far fetched as you might think

He misses half of his face >>17888665

I finally get this forward growth/prognathism Negro worship. I'm beyond phenotypes now.

>>17886658 (OP)
>be steppenigger
>name yourself hungary
>be classed aryan
wew

>>17886671
Lol no

>>17886658 (OP)
Science is fake

>>17886675
Albert Gorter was a nobody who didn't join the NSDAP until 1937. I don't see how his opinion matters more than Hitler's or Himmler's

>>17886658 (OP)
The field was in its infancy and remained so well after the German defeat. Physiognomy, phrenology, social Darwinism, and their racial theories represent the iterative process of empirical observation. In the 50s and 60s, the CIA and various other governmental research bodies were conducting "racial science", this time however they were doing it on Germans. A key psychological researcher, who played an important role in the realization of certain MK-Ultra subprojects, actually championed these ideas.

>>17890860
They don't call themselves Hungary

>>17886671
>Were also considered Aryan, so if you're a Slav you're in luck
Except if you're a POW.

>>17892473
>Name yourself Maggy R
>Not Maggy T

>>17887297
If all Ukrainians are Aryan then why is specifying whether a specific one is Aryan important?

>>17886658 (OP)
uh you do realize hitler had 30 different ethnic groups in the army and ss right?

>>17890570
wants friendly relations with germany and not a jewish war........omg hes a nazi

>>17886658 (OP)
Fake and gay.

>>17886671
The existence of Ukrainian nazis proves nothing other than that Ukrainians are retarded

>>17886671
>perpetual failure of liberalism over there.
Yeah that's why they all ran to NATO when the USSR failed. Stormniggers don't live in reality.

>>17886658 (OP)
All these silly fabrications and mental gymnastics can't obfuscate from the truth that Slavs are subhuman. All those who want to pretend they're Aryans? House negroes, plain and simple.

>>17895279
>Slavs are subh-ACK