Thread 17889852

>in heaven you just worship god 24/7 for all eternity
Idk sounds a bit boring to me

>>17889852 (OP)

>GOD BAD

>UTURNAL HAPINEEEZS BAD

>HEVUM BAD

>SATAN GUUD!

>HELL GUD

Ranjesh, I...

>>17889852 (OP)
Okay then, have fun burning!

>>17889852 (OP)
Your soul will be taken out of your sinful flesh and put into a new, glorified body that finds immense bliss, it's only purpose really, in praising the Lord Jevoah forever and ever.
>So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

>>17889856
Delusion bad.

>>17889871

You will scream and scream until your vocal cords turn to ash and you can only vomit blood. You will beg for forgiveness, but none will come. Tick tock.

>>17889871
Yes, it is delusional to be a God-hating atheist.

>>17889871
>Bro the big bang just happened!
>Bro life just came from non-life!
>Bro there is 75% more matter that is undetectable in the universe to make our equations work, but invisible living beings are impossible!!!
lmao atheists

>>17889895
Evidence for all of those 0 evidence of God or a creator

>>17889852 (OP)
No problem! You don't have to go. Enjoy Hell.

>>17889852 (OP)
>in heaven you just do this
>says who?
>m-me... t-the atheist...
study more, retard

>>17889852 (OP)
Islamic heaven is a lot more fun desu, coomer paradise with hoes and wine for all of eternity

How did you find your way out of /v/ Eric?

>>17889915
You answered none of the problems just rambled on about muh God like He isn't a viable solution to all of those mysteries

>>17889852 (OP)
Those flames just got hotter!

>>17889852 (OP)
Being in the presence of God feels better then ten thousand orgasms.

>>17889895
Even if you forfeit these points, it still doesn't get you specifically to the Christian god. These points are compatible with nearly every religion.

>>17889875
at least I'm not a tripfag
so there is that

>>17890207
What's the point of it after a trillion years?

>>17889915
>0 evidence of God or a creator
Your definition of God, and "creator" is wrong.

>>17891009
What's the point of it now to a nihilist?

>>17889867
did you even read OP? THAT sounds boring af

>>17891088
No, because you have a new body that will not be bored by it.

>>17891009
It never gets old. A trillion years will be like a moment to you. There are no days or months or years or day and night cycle. Just a constant eternal day of peace and happiness.

To all the people saying that its a good thing to eternally worship god, what is the point of free will if its discarded in heaven and everything becomes infinitely better once its gone?

>>17889895
the irony here is all those points come from catholic schools of thought

>>17891153
There is a river of wine in paradise.

>>17891193
>There is a river of wine in Jannah.
And beautiful little boys (76:19), just as beautiful as the wives decreed to us (56:22-23), to serve copious amounts of it to us.

>>17891200
One day I was cursing those who love Satan for like an hour straight and a woman spirit appeared glowing in orange. She laid on my chest and I saw her face, her eyes were blue and her face was wrinkly like an old woman yet she looked absolutely beautiful. And when she talked she sounded like a child and she said she wanted to spoil me.

>>17891399
>he doesn't know

Archons like fucking with both sides and rolling you up and wasting energy on egregores

You're just loosh food

>>17891421
I think it's beyond even food. If it was for food and they had other things to do there would be a more mechanical, albeit intelligent, process, this seems chaotic instead. I think once you "win" all you have left to do is create chaos and find new and exotic ways to express yourself. Turning worlds into hellscapes sounds like the ultimate forbidden fruit. I love tormenting my sims.

>>17891421
A shadow also appeared and told me in a cartoonish voice, I love Satan. Then he told me, never obey Jesus because when someone obeys Jesus they die.

>>17891446
Actually what he says was never do what Jesus tells you.

>>17889871
Kek this one really triggered him. Solid work

>>17889895
Yes yes, but YOU figured out it was all done by a sky wizard right? Thank God you figured that out for us LOL. Wanna sell me some swamp land next?

>>17889867
>be God
>create everything explicitly to worship you
>those who refuse suffer for eternite
What a psycho

>>17889867
>be God
>create everything explicitly to worship you
>those who refuse suffer for eternity
What a psycho

>>17889875
>>17889879
Your religion is a splinter group from the Jewish ethno-religion
Your God didn't even exist until 2000 years ago
You literally just stole pagan deities and made them your saints and shit
Your holy book even mentions there's other Gods in the Jewish pantheon

But worst of all you have had ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY to provide any evidence at all your God exists
Despite that, you still have NOTHING

What is your cope response for why your God suddenly went into hiding as soon as we had any degree of technology, photography, video, etc?
If he wants to save the most people there would be no benefit to this game of hiding.

You and your religion is a joke to any sane or semi-intellegent person.
Your threats of eternal hellfire scare me just as much as someone ranting about the Greek Hades or Egyptian soul eating crocodiles.
Your fear tactics hold no power on the sane or smart anymore, your faith has no power. It is DEAD outside of the US and subsaharan Africa.

>>17891399
>>17891446
You have undiagnosed schizophrenia, unironically seek help.

>>17891616
We are the true Jews. We are not a "splinter group." My and your God has always existed. Our saints are humans who lived holy lives and were exalted by God in this world and the next. And no, the Bible does not refer to other gods, it refers to demons who pretend to be like God. And our proof is the resurrection of Christ Jesus, our Lord. Even to this day He works miracles and answers prayers. He simply does not help obstinate sinners like you. You will not enjoy hell, you will burn and scream and cry for all eternity because of your wickedness. All because you could not believe in the Lord Jesus. What does he demand of you except faith? Why can't you just believe? Because you're so special? You're so important?

>>17891626
>We are the true Jews.
That is not what Paul says. Paul says that you can be grafted into the Israelite tree and be counted as a Jew if you believe in God and obey him.

>>17891626
>Why won't you believe in fairies and gnomes you horrible little shit?
>I'll torture you forever if you don't!
Psychotic, just like your genocidal child rapist Jewish god.
>the Bible does not refer to other gods
Yahweh wasn't even the chief Jewish god for most of human history, that was El.
And yes the Bible references Asherah, El, and Baal, 3 other deities from the Jewish pantheon, since Judaism is a henotheist religion not a monotheistic one.
>our proof is the resurrection of Christ Jesus
You've had 2000 years and still have no evidence of this. Why would God hide himself?
>Even to this day He works miracles and answers prayers
0 evidence of this in over 2000 years
>Our saints are humans who lived holy lives
Saint Brigid was literally just the Celtic God Brigid. Christians claimed she was a saint in order to convert Europeans.
Saints Barlaam and Josaphat are literally the Buddha. Again, Christians claimed he was a saint to try to convert Buddhists.
>He simply does not help obstinate sinners like you
I genuinely believed for the first 16 years or so of my life, and attended church until I was about 20. There was never any signs, help or supernatural activity.
Finally let me ask you, if your religion is correct why does Yahweh give so many children bone cancer?

>>17891622
You live in darkness, that's why you cannot see. Repent of your evil and seek God and he won't remember your sins.

>>17889972
>Islamic heaven is a lot more fun desu, coomer paradise with hoes and wine for all of eternity
Don’t forget the pretty, hairless servant boys that serve the wine.

Fag.

>>17891648
>There was never any signs, help or supernatural activity.
Because you were never rigtheous, you never obey the laws of God, you never bowed down and worshipped him and you did not fear him. You have evil and hatred in your heart which you now direct towards God.

>>17891637
>For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.
We are the true Jews. Tick tock.
>>17891648
>If God exists why bad thing happen? I prayed to God for a girlfriend and he never helped me.
Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock! In a predetermined amount of seconds from now your heart will stop, your brain will die, and you will stand before the judgment seat of the Lord of Hosts. In his divine glory you will cower and beg for mercy, and he will merely say to you "I sent you my messengers to deliver you, and you did not receive them." And then you will be sent to hell where you will burn forever and ever. You will cry and scream and beg for forgiveness, and it will not come. The flames will fill your mouth and lungs as you cry out in horror. Your skin will melt off and will regrow forever. Tick tock.

>>17891655
Listen, God will never break the promise he made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

>>17891654
>>17891655
I'll enjoy watching Hades rape your tight little hole when we've crossed the river Styx
Cerberus will eat out your eyes and use your femurs as chew toys
The furies will chain you up and flog you with barbed wire
Convert to Hellenism today to avoid this fate!!

You see how fucking retarded you sound now? That's how you sound to everyone else.
There's no more evidence for your religion than for Hellenism.
At least it the Hellenes are correct I can get pissed and fuck as much as I want in the Fields of Elysium.
Your Heaven is a realm devoid of free will where you become nothing but another prayer battery for Yahweh.

>>17891658
>I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!
>So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
>And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
>But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.

>>17891663
>there is a remnant chosen by grace.
So the Jews are still the Jews. You're just been given the problem ledge of being by grafted, it doesn't mean that you replaced them, you're just allowed to join them.

>>17891660
What a barbaric and homoerotic projection! You still refuse to repent because of your sinfulness, and now you demand that I, what? Compare myself to the pagans? What have your kind ever done for the world?

>>17891665
Nope. They only remain Jews because of their faith in Christ Jesus. There's no other way.

>>17891663
>there is a remnant chosen by grace.
So the Jews are still the Jews. You're just been given the privilege of being grafted, it doesn't mean that you replaced them, you're just allowed to join them by God's mercy.

>>17891669
You can be grafted in. You're not replacing them.

>>17891673
How can you replace a nation? A nation cannot be replaced, but membership in the nation depends on God. And so those who disbelieved were cut off. Most Jews today have no physical descent from Abraham because they have been made Jews through faith in Jesus. All who confess him are the true Jews.

We will live to see Christianity become a minority religion everywhere except Sub-Saharan Africa, that makes me happy

>>17891678
Nope. God made a promise to Abraham's offspring.

>>17891686
No. God made a promise to Abraham's SEED. Seed is singular, and it refers to Jesus, through whom the whole world is blessed. Again, you do not understand these things because you dwell in darkness. You are blind and deny God's truth.
>If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jew worshippers fighting over semantics, how dull
If this was 500 years ago you'd probably fight a war over this trivial bullshit

>>17891694
Genesis 12:7
Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.”

Genesis 17:7
I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land where you are now an alien, all the land of Canaan, for a perpetual holding, and I will be their God.”

Genesis 17:19
God said, “No, but your wife Sarah shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him

>>17891701
>If this was 500 years ago you'd probably fight a war over this trivial bullsh*t
It's not trivial, and yes, we would. And we'd win because God is with us.

>>17891703
>The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
How you corrupt and twist the scriptures! Get behind me, Satan! Tick tock.

>>17891706
Your scripture is the one who twisted it. Here is the original Hebrew text, it uses the word Zaraka which means descendants.

>>17891711
That's singular. Of course you wouldn't know Hebrew though, because you're not a true Jew.

>>17891712
No it's not.

I refuse to believe there's real people that belief this and act like this

>>17891713
זרע is a singular term, but of course you wouldn't know that because you don't know Hebrew. And you wouldn't know it because you're not a true Jew.

>>17889856
>eternal happiness is when you do nothing but suck up to authority like a retarded cuck with no individuality
What the fuck is wrong with Christians' brains?

>>17891720
No, it's not. Here it is used again in genesis 13:16 where God says:
>I will make your descendants (Zaraka) like the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your descendants (Zaraka) also can be counted.

If God was talking about a singular man how can a single man be so numerous that he cannot be counted? It is clearly plural.

>>17891720
And again in Genesis 16:10 it says:
The angel of the Lord also said to her, “I will so greatly multiply your descendants (Zaraka) that they cannot be counted for multitude.”

>>17891733
It is singular. Even the Septuagint, translated by the priests of the Lord's Temple, the custodians of the Blessed Virgin Mary, used the singular form of offspring. The god of this world has blinded you on account of your disbelief and it has made you foolish, rejecting the truth even when it is apparent. And you say
>If God was talking about a singular man how can a single man be so numerous that he cannot be counted? It is clearly plural.
And I say to you, number those whom you call Jews. How many are there? Millions? And yet how many have been saved through Christ Jesus if not billions and billions of souls. They are the true Jews and it was God's will that the world be blessed through Abraham's seed, the Lord incarnate, the Son of Man.

I'm atheist but I've never got the "you'll just get used to heaven or hell" argument as god could easily change the way your mind works so you'll always experience pleasure or pain.

>>17891737
Again, you continue to twist and warp the language of the prophets. You do not know Hebrew, and it is no surprise because you are not a true Jew.

>>17891738
>And I say to you, number those whom you call Jews. How many are there? Millions? And yet how many have been saved through Christ Jesus
Now you're moving the goalpost. You claimed God made a promise to a single seed of Abraham and not to all his descendants. I proved you wrong and now you're countering by saying there's more Christians than Jews. That has nothing to do with the argument. God promised Abraham he will be the God of his descendantsb. You as a non Israelite can have faith in God and be grafted into the israelite tree and be counted as an Israelite.

But by no means did God reject his people and replaced them with someone else because that would break his promise.

>>17891746
>Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky
No. You are simply wrong. You are not a true Jew, you don't know Hebrew, and again, it was through a single descendant of Abraham, Jesus Christ, through whom all the world is blessed. As many believe in Jesus are now called heirs to the promise. Israel was prepared as a nation for the coming of the Christ, but now all who believe are Israel. And thus those who have faith are the true Jews.

>>17891857
The gentiles who have faith are grafted branches. The root is still the blood of Abraham.

>>17891874
The root is Christ. Your blood won't save you.

>>17891903
The Messiah will gather the scattered Israelites back to Israel.

>>17891953
>There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves are thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. And indeed, some who are last will be first, and some who are first will be last.

>>17891694
>Seed is singular, and it refers to Jesus
>If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
?????????
So all Christians are Jesus? Why would you quote a verse that directly contradicts your own point?

>>17892068
Read Paul's argument, you blind unbeliever.
>Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

>>17892070
Here's commentary on this verse by the 19th century Catholic Bible scholar George Leo Haydock. idk how you feel about Catholics, but rest assured there is no Jewish or atheist or revisionist bias at work in the following:
>It is observed, that the word seed being a collective signification, may grammatically be taken for the plural as well as for the singular number; so that we are to have more regard to St. Paul’s authority, who expounds to us what is here signified by the word seed, than to the word itself.
In other words Paul is bullshitting with the "It says seed, not seeds" argument because seed can refer to many people, which of course is what the original context suggests. Christians view it as singular only because they rely on Paul's authority. I'll take Haydock's word for it.

>>17889852 (OP)
The whole "eternal worship" thing does sound kinda dull. Christians argue heaven's more about perfect joy and fulfillment, but if it's just an endless church service, no wonder some folks would rather take their chances elsewhere..

>>17892099
>Catholic scholar says that Paul is a liar
Blinded unbeliever. The Apostle Paul goes above any so-called "Christian." That good for nothing gentile would be nothing without his prophetic mission.