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Anonymous No.17890316 >>17890380 >>17890497 >>17890558 >>17890581 >>17890803 >>17890812 >>17890817 >>17890910 >>17890942 >>17890969 >>17890990 >>17891382 >>17891434 >>17891554 >>17892147 >>17896693 >>17897882
Italian Fascism was so much more kino than National Socialism and it's not even close.
Anonymous No.17890362 >>17891057 >>17898156 >>17898839
Aesthetics have such an underrated impact on the living standard. Even if the present social and economic conditions were kept the same, but a cohesive, soulful, inspiring, and interesting tradition of art formed the ordinary person's general surroundings, modern western life would be so much closer to fulfilling by that condition alone. The problem for the elite, though, is that this would not be an improvement in living condition that delivers complacency, like most others - but rather inspiration. It brings to mind the Cusan conception that man could hypothesize about the world and act to fill that ambition.
Anonymous No.17890380 >>17890555 >>17890582 >>17890922 >>17891273 >>17895295
>>17890316 (OP)
Can you elaborate on the differences?
Anonymous No.17890497 >>17891350
>>17890316 (OP)
Hopes and dreams are gay. Only total subordination to the Furher's will and to the Endsieg is kino.

Also there were literal lefty/pol/s allowed to exist in Italy while Hitler purged all the homos and commies from his org.
Anonymous No.17890555 >>17890560
>>17890380
>I hate Jews and minorities but I guess if they integrate hard, they can stay.
>I Jews and minorities and I want them all dead. Fuck my chud life.....
Anonymous No.17890558 >>17891576
>>17890316 (OP)
If it were true, /pol/ and Xitter would be obsessed with Mussolini rather than the other guy
Anonymous No.17890560
>>17890555
Oh, so you believe in the "Holocaust"?
Anonymous No.17890581
>>17890316 (OP)
They were both extremely kino. The germans have been very devalued now, though. 70 years as the world's preferential villain does nothing good.
It used to be so bad tracing a thing's roots back to National Socialism was borderline libel.
Anonymous No.17890582 >>17890799 >>17894054 >>17896329
>>17890380
Italian Fascism appreciated the past but put a greater emphasis on futurism and masculinity of the people, they saw the great Roman empire as a fantastic inspiration of what the people could accomplish if they united behind ideals but ultimately wanted to make something new not rehash old things

the Nazis tried to focus on the past concocting strange ahistorical narrative views of aryans and romans as if the ancient germanic tribes didn’t resist the romans for 400 years
Anonymous No.17890799
>>17890582
>the Nazis tried to focus on the past
Wron'.
Uncle Adolf wanted to create a whole new Berlin and rename it Germania, he was also awfully fascinated by new technologies and, unlike Himmler, had little interest in pre-Medieval Germany
Anonymous No.17890803
>>17890316 (OP)
>Cucked civic nationalism but slighty more militaristic and aesthetics than the modern one
No. Mussolini dreamed to fill Rome with italian-speaking africans and even planned to build there the biggest Mosque of the world for his colonial subjects
Anonymous No.17890812 >>17892156 >>17893986 >>17897882
>>17890316 (OP)
Couldn't be more unaesthetic.
Anonymous No.17890817
>>17890316 (OP)
The Futurists were kino
Mussolini was too much of a pragmatist for his own good
Anonymous No.17890910
>>17890316 (OP)
TRVTH
Anonymous No.17890922 >>17890929 >>17891727
>>17890380
Italian Fascism actually worked and wasn’t a self destructive ideology like German National Socialism
Anonymous No.17890929 >>17891270 >>17891559 >>17897931
>>17890922
>economic stagnation
>widespread corruption
>incompetent army
Anonymous No.17890942
>>17890316 (OP)
The big rallies were pretty cool
I don't think Italy ever made anything as kino as Triumph of the Will
Anonymous No.17890969
>>17890316 (OP)
Fascists actualy have political thory that is sometimes coherent,nazis dont
Anonymous No.17890981 >>17891033 >>17891559
Why is it (ital.fascism) so demonised then? Wasn’t their only β€œcrime β€œ being driven into NS Germany’s hands during the war by the allies themselves mind you?
Anonymous No.17890990 >>17897904
>>17890316 (OP)
>Activate Windows
Anonymous No.17891033 >>17891040 >>17893977
>>17890981
>Why is it (ital.fascism) so demonised then?
For the First Position: Fascist recognition of class antagonism under Capitalism. Fascist recognition of societal decadence under Capitalism. Fascist expectation that the Bourgeoisie be under control and devoted to the State rather than as the guiding, and only, force of the State. Revolutionary Nationalism and Fascist style modernism being anti-bourgeois principles
For the Second Position: Belief that class collaboration is both desirable and can bring an end to Class Antagonism. Alliance with the Bourgeoise class under the Corporatist economic policy. Fascist base being a mix of Veterans, Lumpen and the Petite-Bourgeoisie. Everything that happened to the Socialist and Communist parties of Italy following Mussolini's rise. The concept of Bourgeoise and Proletarian Nations being anti-Marxist. Actualism being an Idealist philosophy.
Anonymous No.17891040 >>17893977
>>17891033
TLDR: The basis of Fascism is neither Proletarian nor Bourgeoise so the two dominate political positions made up of those classes hate them, either for recognizing the existent problems with Liberal morality and Capitalism, or by alliance with the Bourgeoise class over a total revolution
Anonymous No.17891057 >>17891556 >>17898156 >>17898839
>>17890362
This. Brutalism and Bauhaus architecture β€” along with the shift in car, movie, animation, game, furniture, clothing and packaging design towards minimalism β€” keep the people complacent by discouraging care ("it's all ugly anyway, why should I try to improve it") and community ("everything around me is disgusting, just leave me to die alone"). The anti-aesthetics movement is nothing else than psychic terrorism.
Anonymous No.17891270
>>17890929
The fascists had a limited control on the Land army and the Navy: both remained loyal to the king and his incompetente boomer WW1 era generals

Only the air force was controlled by fascists, as they litterally created it
Anonymous No.17891273
>>17890380
Nazis license their operating systems
Anonymous No.17891350
>>17890497
Other way around cuck faggot
Hope and dreams is what made our world
Also you reich faggot got also assraped in less than 20 years
Anonymous No.17891382 >>17892215 >>17893981
>>17890316 (OP)
Its honestly a shame people see Fascism as nothing more than extreme conservatism when it should be considered an entirely different thing
Anonymous No.17891414
https://www.wildjunket.com/asmara-eritrea/
The Italians built some really cool Art Deco buildings in their African colonies
Anonymous No.17891417 >>17896337
Yeah, they produced much better art. Nazi art was a joke.
Anonymous No.17891434 >>17891495 >>17892196
>>17890316 (OP)
Literally just 1990s-early 2000s corporate art
Anonymous No.17891495
>>17891434
I don't know if you are aware of this, but 1990 comes after 1930
Anonymous No.17891554
>>17890316 (OP)
It was mostly kitchsy
Anonymous No.17891556 >>17898156
>>17891057
>keep the people complacent by discouraging care ("it's all ugly anyway, why should I try to improve it") and community ("everything around me is disgusting, just leave me to die alone").
Not really the case.

>The anti-aesthetics movement is nothing else than psychic terrorism
Or just you trying to create problems out of nothing. There is no such thing as anti-aesthetic
Anonymous No.17891559 >>17897931
>>17890981
>Why is it (ital.fascism) so demonised then?
Mass warmongering. This >>17890929.
No real long term planning. Basically perked Italy around on the whims of Mussolini.
Anonymous No.17891576 >>17891809 >>17896909
>>17890558
/pol/ is retarded teenagers and white trash
Anonymous No.17891727
>>17890922
Wait, it worked and Italy is still the same as it was?
Anonymous No.17891809
>>17891576
That applies to both the Hitler and Mussolini fans though
Anonymous No.17892147 >>17892267
>>17890316 (OP)
>Italian Fascism was so much more ki-ACK!
Anonymous No.17892156
>>17890812
Look at the subtle midsection shading, the tasteful thickness of it. My god, it even has polygonal morphism
Anonymous No.17892196
>>17891434
Damn, you're retarded.
Anonymous No.17892215 >>17892926
>>17891382
>see Fascism as nothing more than extreme conservatism
Fascism, at least in Italy, wasn't even anywhere close to a conservative movement. It was a modernist, pseudo-revolutionary, pseudo-progressive movement. It's almost as bad as the retards who think Hitlerism = Marxism
Anonymous No.17892267
>>17892147
>clash of the titans to the north
>special olympics to the south
Anonymous No.17892926
>>17892215
>Fascism, at least in Italy, wasn't even anywhere close to a conservative movement.
It helped that the Conservatives were Liberals.
Anonymous No.17893977 >>17894076 >>17894286 >>17896778
>>17891040
>>17891033
marxist nonsense
Anonymous No.17893981
>>17891382
It's a shame that America basically achieved fascism through NATO during the cold war but faggots still aren't satisfied because they prefer German meth addicts in leather fetish attire.
Anonymous No.17893986
>>17890812
no way
Anonymous No.17894054
>>17890582
>Nazis tried to focus on the past concocting strange ahistorical narrative views of aryans and romans as if the ancient germanic tribes
Das rite. Dey was semites.
Anonymous No.17894076
>>17893977
>actually read the material
>Marxist.
Please stop putting yourself as a retard for once.
Anonymous No.17894286
>>17893977
Then what's your definition of Fascism?
Anonymous No.17895295 >>17895426
>>17890380
Read Mussolini
Anonymous No.17895426
>>17895295
>Read
I just got filtered.
Anonymous No.17896329
>>17890582
But Nazis didn't want to be confused with traditionalists that were stuck in past
Anonymous No.17896337
>>17891417
Arno Breker & the best uniforms & best mass gatherings
Anonymous No.17896693 >>17896710
>>17890316 (OP)
Fascist Italy actually produced real art for Italians, futuristslop was just a PR campaign to get positive news coverage from Jewish global media, no Italian or European has any interest in that degenerate slop
Anonymous No.17896702
>orders the sea to be whipped for insubordination
Anonymous No.17896703
It's weird that Spain was a fascist country for 36 years and we just never talk about this.
Anonymous No.17896710 >>17897498
>>17896693
Futurism is based, and fascism is cool because it isn't just about nostalgia and worship of the old bit also cares about creating the future. Halo CE was aesthetically breathtaking and its art style was very futurist.
Anonymous No.17896778
>>17893977
mussolini was heavily influenced by marx and used to be a syndicalist. being pro-capitalist is utterly nonsense. even people on the right should understand that mass immigration is caused by capitalists wanting to drive european wages into the mud.

for me it is distributism, the final synthesis
Anonymous No.17896833 >>17896879
>the fascist male sculpture your natsoc trad wife statue tell you not to worry about
Anonymous No.17896879
>>17896833
Meh I'll be honest, I prefer Breker's work.
Anonymous No.17896909
>>17891576
>retarded teenagers
Boomer or sΓ²yboy type whigger
Anonymous No.17897498 >>17898420
>>17896710
>It is based to abandon thousands of years of racial artistic tradition because kikes on TV said so
Your entire understanding of Italian 20th century art comes from those three slop paintings made for kikes, actual Italian fascist art was hunted down and destroyed, it is almost impossible to find.
Anonymous No.17897502 >>17897713
Strasser was Germany's only hope
Anonymous No.17897713
>>17897502
The Strasser's were too reformist
Anonymous No.17897882
>>17890316 (OP)
>>17890812

Degenerate art
Anonymous No.17897896
Italian Fascism was closer to "true" fascism, where it was more about leveraging industry to attain some utopian ideal. The reason Italians gave up on the idea was when they realized American industry was mogging the Axis without any direct fascism required
Anonymous No.17897904 >>17897911
>>17890990
Only a cuck would give money to cucksoft
Anonymous No.17897911
>>17897904
You do realize there are activation tools out there to get rid of that watermark right?
You also do realize most modern PCs come with build-in Windows licenses right?
Anonymous No.17897931
>>17890929
>>17891559
This. Fascism, in all its forms, is basically just male lead progressivism (as opposed to the female lead progressivism we have in the west at the moment). It cares more about optics, persecution fantasies, and 'muh repersentashun' more than it does about anything that actually exists outside of their own head. This is demonstrated by the fact that no fascist movement (or its mirror image in modern progressivism) has ever created a functional economy or society.
Anonymous No.17898156 >>17898160
>>17890362
>>17891057
The elite used to build inspiring edifices without fear of unrest, if anything it demonstrates rulers share and respect the religion and culture of their subjects. The problem is the modern elite grew from the civil rights movement and as such have diametrically opposite tastes in decorating.

For boomers it seemed like progress, homosexuals, women and minorities especially and also many white men who wanted to smoke weed and listen to 60s music rather than get drafted. However the expectation minorities would turn out to be wholesome low crime IQ 100 citizens like white folks didn't pan out. Not a big deal if you can flee to the 'burbs or a gated community, as many would in the 70s, but for blue collar workers their options were reduced to the ghetto or a redneck trailer park. All by design of course, they are well aware of the risk of all these white people coalescing, forming new communities and a large coherent political group, hence..

>keep the people complacent by discouraging care ("it's all ugly anyway, why should I try to improve it") and community ("everything around me is disgusting, just leave me to die alone")

It is not enough to have their own "alternative lifestyle", there must be no alternative. They know their experiment has failed and can't be fixed, they know what they are imposing actually makes people's lives worse, and they can't really go back on it, so the old communities must be bulldozed and replaced with commie blocks and kept broken up with hostile architecture and legislation. Expensive yet all very necessary to prop up their system.

>>17891556
Daily stabbings and beheadings aren't part and parcel of life in a big city, see Tokyo or any western city before the 1970s.
Anonymous No.17898157
aesthetics is for women and fags who want to feel good instead of doing good
Anonymous No.17898160
>>17898156
there used to be bombing and tommy gun shootouts between police and the mob in new york as far back as the 20's, quit ignoring facts you bitch
Anonymous No.17898420
>>17897498
Giovanni Battista Crema was a genuinely popular artist during the fascist period but his work has been memory-holed in favor of weird kike shit. The Aryan Art threads on /pol/ have posted some of his stuff over the years:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/Giovanni%20Battista%20Crema/
Anonymous No.17898486
not a contest
Anonymous No.17898839
>>17890362
>>17891057
it's funny, because japanese architecture is so drab and dystopian-looking, yet it still has some of the highest quality of life and culture in the world