Thread 17892457

God Himself, as he really is, is inexpressible to all. He alone has no equal, no one similar, and no one of the same glory. We call him unbegotten, in contrast to him who by nature is begotten. We praise him as without beginning in contrast to him who has a beginning. We worship him as timeless, in contrast to him who in time has come to exist.

He who is without beginning made the Son a beginning of created things. He produced him as a son for himself by begetting him. The Son has none of the distinct characteristics of God’s own being, for he is not equal to, nor is he of the same being as him.

God is wise, for he himself is the teacher of Wisdom. One sufficient proof is that God is invisible to all: He is invisible both to things which were made through the Son, and even to the Son himself.

I will say specifically how the invisible is seen by the Son: by that power by which God is able to see, each according to his own measure, the Son can bear to see the Father, as is determined.

So there is a Triad, not in equal glories. Their beings are not mixed together among themselves. As far as their glories, one infinitely more glorious than the other. The Father in his essence is foreign to the Son, because he exists without beginning.

Understand that the Monad eternally was; but the Dyad was not before it came into existence. It immediately follows that, although the Son did not exist, the Father was still God. Hence the Son, not being eternal came into existence by the Father’s will, He is the Only-begotten God, and this one is alien from all others.

Wisdom came to be Wisdom by the will of the Wise God. Hence he is conceived of in innumerable aspects: he is Spirit, Power, Wisdom, God’s glory, Truth, Image, and Word. Understand that he is also conceived of as Radiance and Light.

The one who is superior is able to beget one equal to the Son, But not someone more important, or superior, or greater. At God’s will the Son has the greatness and qualities that he has. His existence from when and from whom and from then are all from God. He, though powerful God, praises in part his superior .

In brief, God is inexpressible to the Son. For he is in himself what he is, that is, indescribable, So that the Son does not comprehend any of these things or have the understanding to explain them. For it is impossible for him to fathom the Father, who is by himself. For the Son himself does not even know his own essence. For being Son, his existence is most certainly at the will of the Father.

What reasoning allows, that he who is from the Father should comprehend and know his own parent? For clearly that which has a beginning is not able to conceive of or grasp the existence of that which has no beginning.

According to the faith of God’s elect, having discernment of God, his holy children, dividing rightly, receivers of God’s Holy Spirit, I have learned these things from those who share in wisdom, accomplished, divinely taught, and wise in all things. I have been walking in their steps, with the same opinions. I, a man of renown, suffering many things for God’s glory; and taught by God, I have acquired wisdom and knowledge.

The Logos is not true God. For although he is called God, he is not true God. But through the participation of grace, just as all others, he is called God only in name.

And whereas all beings are foreign and different from God in essence, so too is the Logos alien and unlike in all things to the Father’s essence and propriety but belongs to things originated and created, as is one of these.

The Father is even invisible to the Son, and the Logos cannot perfectly and exactly either see or know His own Father.

But even what he knows and sees He knows and sees in proportion to His own measure, just as we also know according to our own power. For it is not only the Father that the Son does not know exactly. For he is failing to comprehend him, but the Son does not even know his own essence.

The essences of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, are separate in nature, and estranged, and disconnected, and alien, and without participation of each other and they are utterly unlike from each other in essence and glory, unto infinity.

In likeness of glory and essence the Word is entirely different from both the Father and the Holy Ghost.

The Son is distinct by himself and in no respect a partaker of the Father.

God was not always a Father, but became so afterwards.

The Son was not always, for He was not before His generation.

He is not from the Father, but He, as others, has come into subsistence out of nothing.

He is not proper to the Father’s essence, for He is a creature and work.

Christ is not very God, but He, as others, was made God by participation.

The Son has not exact knowledge of the Father, nor does the Word see the Father perfectly.

He neither exactly understands nor knows the Father.

He is not the very and only Word of the Father, but is in name only called Word and Wisdom, and is called by grace Son and Power.

He is not unalterable, as the Father is, but alterable in nature, as the creatures, and He falls short of apprehending the perfect knowledge of the Father.

There was when the Son was not.

The Son was not before he was begotten.

If there was not once when he was not, but the Son is eternal and co-exists with the Father, then he is no longer a son, but you would say that he is a brother. Amen.

>>17892457 (OP)
There is no 'creed' of Arius. None of what he said or wrote survives. We only have what partisan Bishops said in councils which are almost certainly more extreme than his own ideas.

>>17892513
Well, actually, the "creed of Arius" just is the original Nicene Creed of 325. The Arians claimed that their view was compatible with this creed, and so the Arian controversy was not really resolved until 381.

stockholm syndrome nonsense

too much simp worship

not enough blessing and keeping promises

>>17892513
This is the Thalia you fucking retard, a legitimate writing of Arius. Fucking learn how to google you fucking faggot.

There are plenty of Arians today, they just have to hide in the bushes their actual name
>presbytArians
>trinitArians
>filioquArians
Anyone who imposes a man-made belief on the church, that isn't in the two original Greek nicene creeds which pose nothing that is not already written in Scripture, is a heretic; almost all Protestant denominations are heretical