>The Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about states' rights!
>States' rights to what?
>Uh...well...erm...

>>17892541 (OP)
The state rights to keep niggers as slaves in America. Chad Lincoln wanted niggers back to Africa but sadly he was murdered.

>>17892541 (OP)
Exactly. The "states' rights" crowd always forgets the next line: "to own slaves." Confederacy’s own secession documents rant about preserving slavery. Even their VP said the cornerstone of their new nation was black subjugation. But sure, let's pretend it was about… tariffs?

>>17892541 (OP)
States rights to peacefully and voluntarily secede from the Union as an independent state, also known as what the Founding Fathers intended. The Civil War created slaves, it didnt free them, as now it’s clear the Federal Government has chosen tyrannical democracy over Republicanism and the rights of man, reducing individual states to little more than glorified prefectures.

"It was about states' rights" doesn't even make sense because states' rights are an abstract spectrum of possible powers and exemptions a state can have in relation to the federal government. It's so vague that it's meaningless as a real descriptor for the cause of a war. Are people fighting for a state's right to unilaterally form treaties and declare war within the Union? Are they fighting for the federal government to not arbitrarily take over state institutions like education? Nobody fights for "states' rights" completely separate from the actual grounded powers that they entail. It's like saying a war started over "freedom of expression" which prompts the question of what that means because it could range from suppression of political opinions to the right to scream fire in a theater to the banning of pornography. The way the excuse of states' rights is used among many Confederate apologists is as less of an actual cause of the Civil War and more of a word game that serves as a diversion away from any actual cause of the war.

>>17892574
>States rights to peacefully and voluntarily secede from the Union as an independent state
Backwards meme answer, nobody starts a war over the right to secede, that'd be ridiculous, they start a war because they feel there are reasons why they should secede. Secession was just the means by which they could attain their goals. You are essentially saying "the South seceded because the South wanted to secede." Which isn't wrong but it's obviously not a valid reason for why the South fought the Civil War.

>Civil War is debating which side has more based nigger lovers

The State of Carolina's right to Fort Sumter.

>>17892541 (OP)
>>States' rights to what?

Secede presumably. Not to sound like I'm defending that viewpoint or anything but proslavery Unionists and even abolitionist Confederates were a thing. There weren't that many (especially the latter) but they did exist. Finding a Unionist who believed in the inherent right of secession and a Confederate who didn't was a lot harder though.

Most Ellis islanders, homosexual communists and pajeets of course don't understand how much power US states have lost due to the illegal expansion of the federal government and welfare state in order to facilitate a global empire which is also illegal

>>17892614
Basically this
>Stop raping those niggers, Reb! You're making us look bad!
>Fuck you Yank! I love my negress and you'll never take her away from me!

>>17893374
Not really, blacks were cattle under slavery.

>>17892544
How different would the USA be if slavery was abolished shortly independence?

>>17892541 (OP)
Several of my ancestors were Confederate soldiers and they didn't fight for slavery or keeping slaves. They were poor. You know how expensive they were?

>>17892541 (OP)
Was the entire "Federalist vs Anti-federalist" arguments all about slavery? Oh they weren't? Then the civil war wasn't about slavery either.

>>17893382
>anti confederate posters
>knowing history

>>17893374
Okay? This does not disprove what I am saying

>>17893397
Meant for
>>17893378

>>17893384
It's pretty pathetic since it's literally in the fucking name.
>'CON' - 'FEDERATE'

>>17893399
Blacks weren't even thought about, kind of like today. If you've ever had any livestock you'd understand the feeling of not really thinking about the chickens in your yard

>>17893409
>Blacks weren't even thought about, kind of like today
Which is why people are still arguing about a war fought over the blacks and slavery 160 years later...

>>17893415
because it wasn't about blacks at all. The modern establishment want's you to be obsessed with blacks because it prevents people from seeing the truth

>>17892541 (OP)
Slave owners wanted to keep their slaves. Normal citizens wanted to keep the nigs segregated so that they cannot do what they do nowadays.

>>17893419
>the modern establishment
You mean you? And yes, the war was about blacks. It wasn't only about blacks, it wss really a class struggle between the two dominant white clases on America on whose system would control the continent. Blacks ultimately play a huge part in that because they were 20% of the population at the time. The modern establishment, ie the right wing pedo and israel worshippers, has told YOU it's not about blacks because they want you to be a good little goy. Facts don't care about your feelings. If it wasn't about blacks simply put they would've let the blacks help them fight in the war, but they didn't and they lost and are now complaining about nigger fatigue despite having brought them over

>>17893443
how did blacks play a huge part in the civil war?

>>17893452
By being the point of contention of war. And the prize. Also many blacks fought on the side of the union.

>>17893459
so they didn't actually play any measurable part in the civil war

>>17893461
The slaves didnt work the field for the confederates war efforts for literally free? Who picked all the cotton for their uniforms? Surely not the white confederate soldier... And neither did most people play any "measurable" role in the war. But as a collective their role as the prize of the civil war is undeniable.

>>17893467
so blacks were only relevant in US history in their capacity to farm produce

>the south wanted to force slavery upon states that did not want it
>the north was willing to let slave states remain slave states
>yet somehow it is the north that stood for federal tyranny and the south that stood for states' rights
????????????????????

>>17893470
Yes, and? Agriculture is important (and it is lucrative), which is why the slave owners wantes to keep their slaves.

>>17893474
And you think the north fought a war to free them?

>>17893478
I don't believe, I know. Yeah, the war started off because Dixoids chimped out but it was eventually framed on the slavery question. Not all of them saw it that way but many northerners clearly saw the war through a religious abolitionist lens otherwise you wouldn't have John Brown types.

>>17893491
Abolitionism was a meme started by anti-democrat northerners as a "fuck you" for the war of 1812. It was purely political.

If you want to worship white people for saving you you should know the people that invented abolitionism in the US literally worshiped blacks and paid for them to be round them at all times like trained monkeys so they could feel better about themselves

real freaks, this movement however was of course used by the north to increase factionalism and push for the civil war. I don't think at any point in history anybody in the US actually stopped to consider the black. They're nearly 100% irrelevant

>>17893504
>If you want to worship white people for saving you
White people are not deserving of anyone's worship, but no man is.
>It was purely political.
Which is why John Brown and othet abolitionists helped slave revolts and escaped slaves. Abolitionism is just as much political as it was a religious movement.
>I don't think at any point in history anybody in the US actually stopped to consider the black. They're nearly 100% irrelevant
A hundred years after the civil war the civil rights act (spearheaded by black activists after a hundred years of living through government oppression) passed. But keep pretending as if blacks are 100% irrelevant despite the fact that you use their slang and are talking about them at this very moment.
>you should know the people that invented abolitionism in the US literally worshiped blacks and paid for them to be round them at all times like trained monkeys so they could feel better about themselves
Here you literally contradict yourself. Whites surrounded themselves with blacks so they could feel better. Not really irrelevant is it? Even in your own world view blacks are relevant.

>>17893534
John Brown was actually mentally ill, that's probably not the person you should prop up as a legitimate political spokesperson for blacks.

All the insane radicals that liked blacks were actually insane and were only pawns

>Here you literally contradict yourself.
When the war of 1812 broke out the rural parts of new england went batshit insane due to the collapse of the economy. Of course, northerners probably initiated a massive credit crunch and drained the frontier of credit. The north used this hatred and twisted it to be hatred of the south
>well you see, you're only suffering because of the south, not because we took all your money!
Out of this large group of disgruntled people you had religious fanatics creating new religions and practices, like mormonism. What you also had was an extremely small subset >1% of uneducated religious leaders that created cults around black people. The people that started the actual cults worshiping blacks became powerful enough to influence the daughter of a prominent midwestern religious leader and after he died they gained control of his megaphone

>>17893578
Also maybe or maybe not related but the massive credit crunch in the north lead to the collapse of the Federalist faction which is the establishment class of the US. I don't think it's a coincidence that there were new religions and negro worship and sectionalist factional rhetoric coming out of the north after they were so thoroughly embarrassed by Jefferson

>>17893474
Paying white men wages would've been 100x cheaper than paying to feed, clothes, house, and care for a slave.

Were southerners just retarded? It's basic fucking math.

>>17893690
Nignogs were largely self reliant, given land and hogs to feed themselves. It's probably not an exaggeration that blacks had more autonomy under slavery than they do today due to their low civilization building skills

>>17893697

>>17893705
It's a tough pill to swallow but I don't thing anybody would try and claim ghetto life is somehow more virtuous than being self reliant agriculturists

>>17893379
the jews would be much poorer and less influential

>>17893754
Jews backed both sides of the war. America would less powerful in European affair tho

>>17893758
The north wanted to preserve slavery. Actually the north destroying slavery postponed US imperialism by a generation. See the south was actually an economic and industrial powerhouse and they destroyed it. Reduced it to rubble and then took over their state governments to print money after the war. The north needed the south financially which is why they invaded

>>17892544
Imagine believing that. This statement has NEVER been backed up with any facts.

>>17893374
>>Stop raping those niggers, Reb! You're making us look bad!
Ironic considering how many Union soldiers went on rape sprees

wh*tes will defend the slave owning Confederacy until their pants fall off but swear they're le hecking good guys

>>17893785
They only raped white southern belles so it's okay. Dixoids were literally engaging in bestiality under the guise of muh property rights.

>>17893792
What was so wrong about slavery?

>>17893473
>literally just inventing history and making shit up

>>17893381
Who was expensive?

>>17892548
>more shit completely made up out of thin air
It was about states not being controlled from Washington DC which is LITERALLY, VERBATIM an ongoing issue in present day America

>>17893690
Yeah, they were. Im not making excuses for losers losing

>>17893833
Kansas wanted to become a free state, the South wanted to force them to become a slave state, that and the expansion of slavery in general was the main issue of the election and what ultimately led to the civil war.

>>17893421
this

>>17893873
Kansas was supposed to be a slave state, it submitted a slave constitution. Congress rejected the constitution and accepted the illegally set up northern aligned government's constitution

>States' rights to what
the jews' rights to own slaves

>>17893887
Congress rejected the free state constitutions aswell as the senate was controlled by the South, it was only after the southern senators had vacated their seats that a free state constitution could be approved. And the people of Kansas voted for the Wyandotte Constitution, the one that was adopted, 2 to 1.

>>17892541 (OP)
The Right to choose,
that said, you all support TND right?
you are against slavery because blacks and you are le based racist right?

>>17893534
we use their slang? They use our language.
We talka bout them because they are a problem, you are obviously black and coping because are colossi of history, black history, (You) the Niger-Congo people, you had 80 word languages until 200 years.

>>17893795
>Dixoids
buckbroken by Polchud lingo

>>17894423
Okay? so why did they reject it? did they forget that that's how the country worked?

>>17894138
>the jews' rights to own slaves

so the Confederate flag stands for pride in fighting for the jews' right to own slaves? no wonder wignats love it so much!

>>17893379
What happens to the slaves in this scenario? Do the get citizenship like in IRL or are they all shipped off to Liberia (as they should be)?

>>17894489
Why they rejected the Lecompton Constitution? The Republicans rejected it because it would have made Kansas a slave state, northern democrats rejected it because they rightly suspected that it had been adopted by the Kansas legislature under fraudulent circumstances.

>>17894548
>strawman????
>look how silly you are xddd

>>17894596
But the next state admitted to the union should have been a slave state, right?

>>17893758
what I mean is that jews profited from the slave trade

>>17894465
Okay, so? Epic own brah. You still lost the culture war of the 19th century and you're still mad that blacks are relevant

To have slaves, anon. We've been over this, time and time again. The confederates were just mad that they couldn't do anything about slaves crossing into free states

>>17893130
Underrated post and I say this as a Yank.

>>17893705
Man's that some low hanging fruit. Jesus christ, man. Get help.

>>17895075
Relevant in what way? I don't see an African empire with advanced technology except in cinema as a consolation prize because you can't do it in real life unless communists or jews help you build one.

>>17894548
people renowned for worshipping a jew as their god love it? and you are surprised by this?

>>17892541 (OP)
Great image.

>>17894138
leaving this here for the sake of posterity. no point arguing with knuckle draggers

>>17895286
thats just a macroimage with the image i posted crossed out that then starts talking about unhinged jewish conspiracy theories like the holocaust and khazaria

it doesnt actually refute the numbers, whose citations are included in the image, which you may check for yourself.

>>17895336
>>17895286
but i do love the hoop jumping jews do, especially the bait and switch where they try to pretend every slaveowner owned an equal amount of slaves, and jews didnt own a disproportianate amount of them and use them to undercut the value of products sold by honest natural labor by the average farmer and didnt just seek to exploit the entire situation like the Wal-Marts of slavery times in order to necessitate people either try to adapt or lose their farms and this didnt incite a civil war which got half a million white people killed or anything

its not like jews had whole FLEETS of slave ships or anything either and were the root cause of this problem, all problems, everywhere, every time.

>>17893782
Wrong. It is well known that Lincoln was a product of his time and a racist.

>>17895369
its well known that a jew shot lincoln. not for emding jewish slavery, but for planning to send all their mandingos away from the united states.

you can take a jew's land, you can destroy his holiest temple, you can even take a jewish man's money, but take away his bbc? youre a dead man walking

>>17894577
How much would it cost to ship all the slaves, say in 1800? Not even to Liberia, just anywhere in the vicinity.

>>17893130
Only good post in this entire shit thread. Regardless of the moralfagging over the war, it's just unfathomable in the normie's mind how much autonomy they've lost. The states in this country are more like economic zones for the vampiric kikes in the fed.
>>17895152
Nah you deserve it. You people are pretty vicious. It's not like they can reason with you.

>>17892541 (OP)
Why aren't states allowed to peacefully secede from the union?

>>17895491
indentured servants is just the politically correct way of saying "white slaves"

to give you some perspective, the price of purchasing an acre of land in virginia during the 17th century was around $20 in todays money. but back then, one acre of land was the equivalent of the price of a haircut, a pound of coffee, or the cost of hiring someone to ferry you across the river.

that was what the "new" world offered, an opportunity to live in a free land not yet within the grasp of christians who would then proceed to systematically hand power over to jews and screw over its population. a chance at life as it was meant to be. none of that forced one god trinity bullshit.

Yes, it was to own slaves. And? Africans are a slave race, no matter how much new-age coping we are fed today. Just like Indians. Billions of them, low IQs but submissive to authority, that is a slave race.

>>17892541 (OP)
>States' rights to what?
To paint my nigger any damn color I want!

>>17895075
I would rather win in 2015+11 than 1850

>>17892778
Nope. We know it was about slavery not seceding you retard. They literally say it was about slavery. And they added slavery to their constitution removing it as a right of the states to manage.

>>17894138
why just come on here and post lies.

>>17895800
Lol. Cope cuck. You complain about DEI, blks beating the everloving fuck out of u on the street, muh jooz and shiet, but you never do anything about it and its the same trend in all of Western Europe + America. Blacks are as of now the least deserving people to be called slave race, you are far more deserving actually

>>17892541 (OP)
I know the war was about preserving the rights of states to block Federal attempts at regulating private property rights and commerce vis-a-vis slavery.
I also believe the preservation of slavery was absolutely a good thing; my evidence of this is how awful the South has become since Emancipation.
What now, Federal?

>>17893690
White people literally couldn't survive working in the South before modern medicine. That's why the South's population was so much lower than the North's despite having such rich farmland.

>>17896464
I would like you to explain then why my entirely Northwestern European gene pool that was far from Planter Class all managed to not only survive but have an average of 9 kids that all lived to adulthood and reproduced managed to survive, then.

>>17896473
They had a high birthrate like everyone in America at the time and weren't forced to work the most grueling jobs on plantations since blacks were imported to do that. Even so you would probably be surprised at the number of dead branches on your family tree as a result of people dying of disease.

>>17896485
Yeah. That's why those of us that survived are some of the toughest White people on the planet.

>>17896462
>Yankee Deportation Force
>Gets destroyed and the CSA burnt down
Imagine how your average Confederate weakling felt, being defeated by an army that was 10% BLACK

>>17896462
What if we made you and your entire family into slaves?

>>17896413
well if you want to get technical it was about jews' rights to own white slaves. in order to even operate their jewish Walmarts of Slavery times, aka Plantations, jews were required to feed and shelter all these africans, out of their own pocket.
jews have a habit of not thinking things through. just because you can do something, doesnt mean you should. so it wasnt about helping africans, it was about flooding the market with goods, undercutting white farmers. depriving them of their property.

every 30 years since the founding of our nation, the jewish rothschild banking cartel bid to have their bank manage our nation's currency and every 30 years or so, some great conflict ensued. jackson being the the only president who defeated them on their terms

1812 - a rothschild army burns washington dc and the white house
1830-40s - jackson defeats the banks
1860s- civil war
1890- war of 1892
and then one day, in 1913, the most christian president in american history decided to hand jews control of the money supply, permenantly, creating the jewnited states.

the civil war created an order where there was no distinction between a cannibal african and a white aristocrat. these were legally the same thing, with the same rights.
now do you see how that might beneficial to jews? it wasnt so beneficial immediately, but now? do you see? now, in order to solve 13/52 and other related crimes, white people are subjugated to cattle negro control mechanisms.

but the best part of all? jews dont have to pay for their slaves food or housing. they make white people pay for it.
and if gods forbid they actually get a job, they work and then pay moshe directly.

the distinctions between slavery then and slavery now is very little. theres free movement, and no whip. the whip is psychological now. the movement is limited by jewbucks.

>>17896512

>>17896502
The guys fighting each other generally didn't consider the other side, "weaklings." You're a stupid kid.
The Colored Regiments were some of the most ineffectual and under-performing regiments of the entire war.

>>17896507
Better people than you have tried.

>>17896489
You got btfo by goat herders wearing sandals and using 50 year old Russian equipment

>>17896507
>>17896518
who is this for? The war's over. White people won, like usual.
>>17896533
>allow africans into the army
>immediately drop to african levels of competence
huh

>>17896529
I will put your sister in chains and then slowly skin her alive in front of you, I will have right to do that under the based slavery since you are going to be just my objects.
>>17896538
>white people having less than 1 children per woman waging any wars
kek!

>>17896538
>B-but niggers
Nah amerimutts are just weak

>>17896533
Everyone worth killing was killed by 2017 my guy. We didn't get forcibly pushed out of the country. Our government simply gave up on the nation-building because what we went over there to do was done.

I think we should've left a decade before we did personally. Gone more Scorched Earth. We went over there to teach a lesson and we did: reach out and touch us, we will touch you back.

>>17896550
this is why we the white man should be in charge, brown people have no vision and just do silly shit like torture people for their deranged neurotic amusement whereas white folks go to the moon

>>17896575
What's even funnier is they can't actually beat us in war.
You can't name one time without outside help Africans ever by military force banished a colonial government.
Colonials governments only ever left because there were more important things going on elsewhere and they found other less costly ways of getting what they wanted from these places.
They act like they can fight better than us, but we all know that's not true. Not even in Post-Apocalypse.
Read, "Africa in Our Midst."

>>17896575
>>17896586
>whereas jewish folks go to the moon
fixed for you!

>>17896518
this is pretty commonly understood history we're talking about. its got nothing to do with nazis. but really, we never would have been in either world war, nor have even fought the nazis and joined a world war on the side of jewish communists and jewish bankers had some gullible christian not handed jews control of the nation's money supply

>>17892541 (OP)
Serious point - What's interesting about the Civil War is that it prevents a pic related situation from ever happening. All the other States found out what the Federal Government is willing to do for attempt independence from the US. Lincoln sent troops to Maryland, New York, etc.

>>17896607
>Minor spelling mistake
I am not beating the Indian accusation and I accept it now.

>>17896606
>racism and slavery is good
>except when I say that Jews are responsible for it, in which case it suddenly becomes an evil thing for a few seconds
and you wonder why alt-right retards are the laughing stock

>>17896575
You know you are embarrassing yourself. Keep living vicariously through people in the past as u have a <2 fertility globally and you're the literal prey of blacks. Everything you post down to your threats of dominating non whites is a LARP fantasy, we all know how it is IRL

>>17896614
always some dichotomy with you people
so stuck in such bipolarized modes of thinking, trying to fit everything into a neat little box

youre about 1 post away from claiming slavery was a right wing thing and the two parties "changed places" lil buddy

>>17896538
>>17896570
>>17896575
when was the last time amerimutts won a war? 200 years ago when they fought a bunch of Mexicans armed with slingshots and donkeys?

>>17896533
people grew tired of fighting jewish wars.
war is supposed to be based. youre supposed to earn honor, respect, get to rape and plunder, return home praised, living better lives than when you left.
private mercenaries for jewish bankers get none of that. thats why they kill themselves at rates rivalling jewish trannies. nobody respects them. nobody aspires to be like them.

>>17896610
why would there be indians on this website? thats silly

>>17896858
>war is supposed to be based
Stopped reading. Go finish your algebra homework.

>I need uneducated niggers slaves in industrial era for some reason!
>but why? They can't operate machinery, they can't drive automobiles and trains, they can't use precision instruments. Why do you still need slaves?
>FUCK YOU LETS GO TO WAR AND MURDER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF WHITE PEOPLE OVER THIS

>>17896882
the north invaded the south by the way and were the aggressors

>>17896937
The south attacked a federal fort by the way and you're a dishonest toothless redneck