Explain Psalm 82. I already know why it says it because I read Kabbalah and thd Bible/Nah Hammadi. I just wanna see your stance on "Elohim".

>>17892685 (OP)
>Non-Gnostic Christians
Gnostics are nor Christians, anon.
>Explain Psalm 82.
What's there to explain?

>>17892685 (OP)
Also, just for background: the Kabbalah not only ascribes MEANING to words, but it traces them to Bible verses. Now I'm not into Lurianic Kabbalah, but the Kabbalah is a tool to measure the numerical value of a phrase or statemeent in the Bible, since Hebrew is not only a spoken language but a numerical system also (like the number "Aleph" which is greater than infinity).

>>17892685 (OP)
Yahweh judging lesser divine entities in His council.

>>17892693
>>17892685 (OP)
Kabbalah is J*wish giga autism.

Completely worthless.

>>17892691
Gnostics believe in Jesus and the trinity, so you can still call them "Christians," technically and they existed before other denominations (like Orthodox). Some of them (like Sethiams) precluded Christianity and "Simon Magus" was likely Paul, which would make sense given his teachings on grace which matches Gnostic teachings on "sin" and there being no Hell, just 12 realms of Pleroma and the 13th aeon, which is really just a marriage resort for Sophia and Christ (which Ezekiel 28:11-19 and Isaiah 14:12-17 were referencing Sophia, not some vague "Lucifer" archetype and Satan is a label, not a name of some archangel that has never been demonstrated to exist outside of post-Biblical eschatology, which might but it means "light bringer" which refers to the Morning Srar Venus, which is a Christly archetype). Also extreme docetism (the belief that "Jesus never existed and only the Holy Spirit) is a strawman the Orthodox church used to frame Gnostics as heretical even when they were the original Christians. Jesus was 50% man, 50% God and that created the illusion (dokein) that he was man. Not "100% man 100% God" which makes no sense, in statistic maths. Really the belief that Jessus was fully human contradicts the Bible and his divine attributes. God is not human, he only RESEMBLED A person.

>>17892708
>Jesus was 50% man, 50% God and that created the illusion (dokein) that he was man. Not "100% man 100% God" which makes no sense, in statistic maths. Really the belief that Jessus was fully human contradicts the Bible and his divine attributes. God is not human, he only RESEMBLED A person.
If God wanted to incarnate into a human being while still being God, could He do it?

>>17892708
>Gnostics believe in Jesus
So they say, as Mohammedans and Mormons, even some Hindus and Buddhists claim to believe in Him. None of them are Christians either.
>and the trinity
No they don't, they believed in every Trinitarian heresy denounced by the Church.

>>17892694
Yahweh (demiurge/elohim/yaldabaoth/saklas/nebro/samael/enlil/etc) =/= God (monad/theos/pater/enki). Also the old testament and new testament were written at about the same time, and the old and new testamemt contain works from each other (like nt in psalms and ot ot in revelations). Read about "God" creating genocides, floods, infant sacrifice, etc in the OT.

>>17892694
>make a council he doesn't control

>>17892718
You don't understand what "delegating" means?

>>17892712
Yes, but the difference is, some Gnostics believe in the trinity (some fell for the Orthodox memes or pull quotes from Gnostic scripture that was meant to be symbolic).

>>17892723
>some Gnostics believe in the trinity
Literally none of them do, that's what makes them Gnostics. Not a single one of them affirm the Nicean Creed.

>>17892730
You're retarded. Nevermind.

>>17892733
Show me a single self professed Gnostic that affirms the Nicene Creed.

>>17892735
Me.

So what's the non-Gnostic Christian explanation of this passage?

>>17892737
Then you'd not be Gnostic, the Nicene Creed was written specifically to denounce all Gnostic heresies.
>>17892738
What explanation does it need?

>>17892735
Also, the Orthodoxy of the time lied. I am Gnostic and believe in father, son and holy spirit. But you're somebody who doesn't understand their own scripture and religion (Mark 4:11, Matthew 13:10–11 and Luke 8:9–10).

>>17892743
And thd time is wrong in the Masoretic texts. Coincidence? I think not!

>>17892743
>Also, the Orthodoxy of the time lied
Prove it.

>>17892745
Archons = annunaki. Many ancient religoons "predicted" Christianity (like the Epich of Gilgamesh).

>>17892746
I just did.

>Jesus was 50% man, 50% God and that created the illusion (dokein) that he was man. Not "100% man 100% God" which makes no sense, in statistic maths. Really the belief that Jessus was fully human contradicts the Bible and his divine attributes. God is not human, he only RESEMBLED A person. There were written ACCOUNTS of tge time saying there was a crucifixion. Jesus is the reason we even KNOW about this Roman tradition.

>>17892746
Why did Jesus ascend and leave no remains if he was "fully man" then, blasphemer?

>>17892751
You stating something is not proof of it. Provide evidence for your claims.
>Inb4 da BIBLE

>>17892753
>Why did Jesus ascend and leave no remains if he was "fully man" then, blasphemer?
Because He bodily resurrected, so there are no remains since His body is also in Heaven.

>>17892755
Nevermind you're a waste of time.

>>17892756
Would you like me to provide the Biblical verses that literally say that He did?

>>17892756
Christianity is polytheistic. Enki = monad, Enlil = demiurge (the root of all problems in the world), annunaki/demons/devils = archons, inanna = Sophia, etc.

>>17892757
Gnosticism is the closest thing to the Bible over any other interpretation of it. Also, I already know he raised from the dead. That's what I literally said. The Bible even SAID God projected himself into this timeline through yhe womb of Mary, dumbass.

>>17892762
>The Bible even SAID God projected himself into this timeline through yhe womb of Mary, dumbass.
Meaning he was HALF-MAN HALF-GOD. When you're born, does that make you 100% mother and 100% father also? He was a hybrid.

>>17892762
You're a Docetist? You think Jesus was just a hologram? How do you explain Jesus literally allowing Thomas to stick his finger inside His wounds?
Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
John 20:26-29

>>17892768
I am a docetist to an extent, but what you described is EXTREME docetism. I'm not saying that and you never even bothered to read the rest of that comment. You're arguing strawmans.

>>17892764
>Meaning he was HALF-MAN HALF-GOD.
Where does it say that?

>>17892772
Also, quick question, if Gnosticism is correct. Why did God allow Nicene Christianity to triumph, crush all the Gnostic sects, and spread all over the world, to the point that most people don't know what Gnosticism is? You'd think that the Monad would've at least made sure that the truth won out in the end.

>>17892774
Matthew 1:18-25. Also, what is "exclusivity" in maths?

>>17892784
Again, Mark 4:11, Matthew 13:10–11 and Luke 8:9–10. Also, gnostics believe in reincarnation until gnosis (knowledge) is attained.

>>17892785
>Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

>“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”

>(which means, God with us). When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
Which doesn't say that He is half man, half God.

Sorry, try again.

>>17892785
>Also, what is "exclusivity" in maths?
Jesus' nature is not a mathematical equation you retard.

>>17892791
>>17892789
He's from the WOMB of Mary, dumbass. What does that mean? He appeared in human form.

>>17892792
That doesn't make him "fully man, fully God" — that makes him divine.

>>17892794
"Fully man fully God" makes no fucking sense. It's self-contradictory.

>>17892721
>be perfect being that doesn't need to delegate

>delegate to entities of your own making

>get angry

>>17892786
Mark 4:11
>“To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that “‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’”
Matthew 13:10–11
>Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Luke 8:9–10.
>And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’

So your point is that He purposefully concealed His message? That's kind of self-defeating, don't you think?
Also the third verse is funny because right after Jesus goes on explaning the meaning of the parable to them:

>Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.
So it's not that much of a secret, really.

>Also, gnostics believe in reincarnation until gnosis (knowledge) is attained.
Which, also, is not in the Bible but ok.

>>17892798
Yes I understand Pascal's Wager, but you people need to stop applying magical thinking to what ypu're reading and actually practice common sense.

>>17892798
That's the stance the majority of christians take; it's a "mystery"

>>17892801
>>be perfect being that doesn't need to delegate
He wants His creation to take part in the process of creation.
>delegate to entities of your own making
>get angry
Yeah, just like you can have subordinates and get angry when they don't do as they're told.

>>17892792
>>17892794
>>17892798
>>17892805
Maybe you should stop and type all in just one reply? You're starting to look like a schizo, more than you already are.

>>17892808
>He wants His creation to take part in the process of creation.

He clearly doesn't though; he killed most of humanity when he got angry

>>17892804
>So your point is that He purposefully concealed His message? That's kind of self-defeating, don't you think?
Well, that's what the book fucking says, doesn't it? Hell does not exist. Try again.
>reincarnation is not mentioned in the Bible
Yeah, NY NAME, but that's a more recently coined term.

Ecclesiastes 1:4, Job 33:29-30, Deuteronomy 25:5-10, Malachi 4:5 and Matthew 11:14

>>17892810
>He clearly doesn't though;
He does, that's why He created mankind in the first place.
>he killed most of humanity when he got angry
Because humanity got corrupt and was destroying the earth. Obviously at that point He had to stop them.

>>17892809
Character limit. You're starting to look like a retard.

>>17892812
>Because humanity got corrupt and was destroying the earth. Obviously at that point He had to stop them.

You just confirmed it; god doesn't actually want indipended creaturr to use their free will

>>17892811
>Well, that's what the book fucking says, doesn't it?
No? His message spread to the whole world.
>Hell does not exist.
Matthew 18:8
>And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Matthew 25:41
>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Jude 7
>just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


>Ecclesiastes 1:4, Job 33:29-30, Deuteronomy 25:5-10, Malachi 4:5 and Matthew 11:14
I'm gonna need you to post all of these verses like I do so that we can discuss them, chief. Because looking them up individuall is a pain in the ass.

>>17892813
>Character limit.
Your four replies could have fit in a single reply.
>>17892816
>od doesn't actually want indipended creaturr to use their free will
When did I say that He did? He created us for a specifc purpose that we must fulfill, not just do whatever we want.

>>17892817
Hell is a thing in the new testament; there is no such thing in the ot for humans

>>17892817
>I'm gonna need you to post all of these verses like I do so that we can discuss them, chief. Because looking them up individuall is a pain in the ass.
Use Google you lazy fuck.

Also, here's some more verses imma drop: Revelation 21:12-14 and Ecclesiastes 9:10.

>>17892819
>Hell doesn't exist!
>Ok it does in the New Testament.
LOL
>there is no such thing in the ot for humans
So you affirm the OT over the NT now?

>>17892820
>Use Google you lazy fuck.
No, post them.

>>17892820
>you lazy fuck.
Foul language, how hylic of you.

>>17892822
The fact they made it up later proves it's a fantasy

>>17892830
So you deny the validity of the NT now?

>>17892818
>When did I say that He did?
In your previous post; already moving goalposts?

>>17892832
>In your previous post;
Where? I never said that God created us to have free will and do whatever we wanted, I said the exact opposite, I said God created us to fulfill a specificl role which is to partake in creation.

>>17892831
Yes obviously; it constantly misquotes, contraddicts and quotemines the old testament

>>17892836
>Yes obviously;
Then why did you cite the NT to me in your previous posts?

>>17892835
>golshift complete

I accept your concession

>>17892838
I'm not the same anon

>>17892839
Sure buddy.

>>17892840
Damn, Gnostic anon hasn't replied since here >>17892820

Nevermind.

>>17892822
>>17892822
Genesis 1:1 - God created the HEAVENS and the Earth.
Ezekiel 1:4-28 - the Hebrew word for "wheel" is גלגל (galgal). This word appears multiple times in the passage describing the vision of four wheels associated with the living creatures and God's throne. The wheels are described as sparkling, with a wheel within a wheel structure, and are closely connected to the movement of the living creatures and the presence of God's spirit. The wheels are described as sparkling like topaz or beryl. They are depicted as having a wheel within a wheel structure, suggesting a complex and possibly self-balancing system.
Deuteronomy 10:14 - heaven of heavens, again.

Heaven is layered. And you're retarded. GIVE ME PROOF (gives proof) WRITE OUT BECAUSE I DONT HAVE JEWGLE!

And if you're too busy fisting your own face toxactually read this- you're a stupid cunt. ;P

>>17892847
None of those verses have anything to do with Hell though.

>>17892851
Okay. Here's some then:

>For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
>For in death there is no remembrance of You; in Sheol who will give You praise? (Psalm 6:5)
>Man dies and is laid low; where is he?... As water evaporates from a lake… so man lies down and does not rise... (Job 14:10-14)
>The soul who sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20)
>For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life... (Romans 6:23)
>[God] alone has immortality.. (1 Timothy 6:16)

Conclusion? Souls do not inherently live forever (either in heaven or hell).

Immortality is a gift, not default.

>>17892859
>Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna. (Matthew 10:28)

>>17892859
>>For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
Soul sleep. Which I'll concede you that this is an aspect of the afterlife most people don't know about. All people, both righteous and unrighteous, go to Sheol, where they have no knowledge and are asleep, on the Final Day there is the Judgement of all, and the wicked are thrown into the eternal fire that Jesus warns about.
>they have no more reward,
Right, Sheol is not a place of comfort.
>and even the memory of them is forgotten.
This just means that everyone's memories on earth eventually fades.
>>For in death there is no remembrance of You; in Sheol who will give You praise?
This doesn't contradict my point, indeed the dead are all eventually forgotten on earth, and there is none to praise you in Sheol
>>Man dies and is laid low; where is he?... As water evaporates from a lake… so man lies down and does not rise...
Correct, the dead remain dead.
>>The soul who sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20)
Right, we all die.
>>For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life...
See point above.
>>[God] alone has immortality..
But God can made the righteous immortal.

You're starting to sound more and more like a Jehovah's Witness.

>>17892869
The whole bible is full of allegories, dumbass. Discern what the fuck you're reading.

>>17892874
>The whole bible is full of allegories
But not everything is an allegory, anon.
>Discern what the fuck you're reading.
I do.

>>17892869
Also
>the righteous are immortal
God alone has intrinsic, unborrowed immortality. Know the difference.

>>17892876
>All the host of heaven shall rot away, and the skies roll up like a scroll. (Isaiah 34:4)
>Lift up your eyes to the heavens… the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment. (Isaiah 51:6)
>Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You will remain… like a garment You will change them, and they will pass away. (Psalm 102:25-26)
>The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire… the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:10-12)
>Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away. (Matthew 24:35)

>>17892883
Notice how it always says HEAVENS. Heaven (pleroma in Greek Septuagint) is not a single place.

>>17892884
Riiiiight......I never said anything about Heaven.

>>17892887
The only exception is Sophia (Wisdom) who was created 2nd in power to God and exists in the 13th aeon, which sits above heaven.

>>17892890
>more Gnostic schizo lore
Got it.

>>17892890
She's his bride.

>For your Maker is your husband—the Lord Almighty is His name... For a brief moment I hid My face from you, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you. (Isaiah 54:5-8)

In Kabbalah:

Shekhinah = the feminine aspect of God = Bride.
Zohar (III, 292a):

> “The Holy One hides His bride, but only to draw her back with greater light. Never is she cut off from Him.”

While the lower worlds (physical cosmos, archonic heavens) may be burned or pass away (Isaiah 34, 2 Peter 3), the 13th Aeon is outside corrupted time, outside the reach of the Demiurge and a safe container for fallen light that still seeks the Source.

From the Trimorphic Protennoia (Nag Hammadi):

> “She dwelt in a place not like the others… in the space between the Fullness and the world. There the Light remembered her.”

Sophia bears the divine spark — God cannot destroy Himself

>>17892895
And you wanna know what happens after that? The cycle of life continues. This is confirmed in Kabbalistic, Gnostic, and even early Christian apocalyptic traditions.

Kabbalistic: Cosmic Cycles (Shemitot)

> According to the Ari (Isaac Luria), there are 7,000-year cosmic cycles called Shemitot:

Each cycle includes creation, fall, judgment, and renewal. After each cycle, the world collapses, and a new one begins—sometimes with new divine configurations. Only souls fully integrated into the light survive between cycles.

Before this world, the Holy One created and destroyed many worlds…”
—Zohar I, 134a

This is known as olamot shenivre'u venistalku ("worlds created and withdrawn").

> “The All will return to the uncontainable, and the One will emanate anew…”
—Trimorphic Protennoia

This points to cosmic recursion: not identical repetition, but higher cycles of return, fall, and restoration—an eternal spiral.

> “What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done—there is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9)

> “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…” (Revelation 21:1)

>>17892909
Everything that exists is a human. For example, when L. Ron Hubbard ran his experiments and found that fruits and vegetables scream when they get cut. Tapeworms are humans reincarnated from something else. The wall behind me is a living organ. EVERYTHING IS! God can turn a Draco from Alpha Centauri (FROM ANOTHER CONSTELLATION THAN US IN THIS UNIVERSE) back into humans when they pass. There are more stars in the sky than there are grains of sand in the whole world (like that "diamond planet" that can be seen in the polar star that's hindreds of trillions of lightyears away) and he can turn every grain of sand back in the universe into a human! This is even kabbalistic a teaching.

>>17892912
It's known that plants, like everything else, have a vibration and that's natural radio. Also I think that diamond planet isn't hundreds of trillions, but billions or something.

>>17892909
By the way, this happens eternally otherwise life could not exist.

>>17892808
>He wants His creation to take part in the process of creation.
No he wants entities he can abuse with his rampant narcissism
>Yeah, just like you can have subordinates and get angry when they don't do as they're told.
Rampant narcissism. Nobody asked for any of this. He created you with flaws so he can hurt you for flaws he created lmao. What a fucking jew

>>17892685 (OP)
>how long will you judge unjustly and accept the persons of the wicked?
we are about done with that now, thanks

>>17893014
>Rampant narcissism.
On what grounds do you accuse God of narcissism? He is the greatest being in existence, His glory is infinite, even if you spent the rest of your life praising Him that wouldn't be enough to testify His magnificense.

>>17893020
1.) Hell (Gehinnom) is Temporary, Not Eternal

Zohar (Volume II, 150b)

> “Gehinnom is a tool for rectification (tikun)... The wicked stay there no more than twelve months.”

Isaiah 1:27

> “Zion shall be redeemed with justice, and her penitents with righteousness.”

2.) Purpose of Gehinnom Is Tikun (Correction), Not Retribution

Zohar (Volume I, 186a)

> “The punishment of the wicked is not to destroy them, but to make them aware... so they return to the Light.”

Lamentations 3:31–33

> “For the Lord will not cast off forever… He does not afflict willingly, nor grieve the children of men.”

3.) Souls Reincarnate to Repair Themselves (Gilgul)

Sha’ar HaGilgulim (Ari, ch. 20)

> “Most souls do not rectify themselves in one lifetime… they return again and again.”

Job 33:29–30

> “Behold, God does all these things two or three times with a man, to bring back his soul from the pit.”

4.) God’s Mercy Overrides Harsh Judgment

Zohar (Volume III, 254b)

> “When harsh decrees arise, the Shekhinah pleads before the Holy One… and mercy is aroused.”

Micah 7:18

> “Who is a God like You, pardoning iniquity… He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in mercy.”

5. No Explicit Eternal Hell in Torah

Genesis 3:19

> “For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.”

No mention of torment after death—just physical dissolution.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

> “The dust returns to the earth… and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”

6. Torah Describes Sheol, Not Hell

Sheol in Tanakh is neutral—a place of rest, not fiery punishment.

Psalm 139:8

> “If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.”

7. All Souls Have a Spark of the Divine (Nitzotz Elokit)

Zohar (Vol I, 11a)

> “Every soul is a flame from the divine candle.”

Proverbs 20:27

> “The soul of man is the lamp of the Lord.”

>>17894055
8. Even the Wicked Will Eventually Ascend

Zohar Chadash, Ruth 102b

> “In the end, all souls will return to their root, even those who sinned greatly.”

Psalm 145:9

> “The Lord is good to all, and His mercy is over all His works.”

>>17892717
The Old Testament decidedly predates the New.
Not by much, only a few hundred years. But there is temporal distance.
Also of course they're related, the NT takes much from thew OT for obvious resons. And revelation is a Jewish apocalypse like Daniel.
>>17892895
The Kabbalah is an innovation in Judaism dating to middle ages onward. It should not be used in these discussions.

>>17894348
The Bible and the Kabbalah are not tge only texts, because you also havd the Zohar and the Gnostic texts (like the Gospel of Judas who was brokered a deal by Jesus but you can tell even though he realized he was playing a role that he still had remorse for betraying Jesus, which is why he killed himself and is not only righteous, but the most underrated and misunderstood character in the Bible itself).

>>17894367
Here it is if you want to read it

https://gnosis.study/library/Гнoзиc/Иccлeдoвaния/ENG/Kasser R.%2C Meyer M.W.%2C Wurst G._-_The_Gospel_of_Judas_from_Codex_Tchacos.pdf

>>17894372
https://gnosis.study/library/Гнoзиc/Иccлeдoвaния/ENG/Kasser_R.%2C_Meyer_M.W.%2C Wurst G._-_The_Gospel_of_Judas_from_Codex_Tchacos.pdf

>>17894374
Fuck
https://gnosis.study/library/Гнoзиc/Иccлeдoвaния/ENG/Kasser_R.%2C_Meyer_M.W.%2C_Wurst G._-_The_Gospel_of_Judas_from_Codex_Tchacos.pdf

>>17894377
https://gnosis.study/library/Гнoзиc/Иccлeдoвaния/ENG/Kasser_R.%2C_Meyer_M.W.%2C_Wurst_G._-_The_Gospel_of_Judas_from_Codex_Tchacos.pdf

>>17894379
You know what, nevermind, just go to the first link, for some reason the links are fucking weird on this site. Just copy paste it.

>>17894381
Nevermind, fucked the link up. Just copypaste this one.

https://gnosis.study/library/Гнoзиc/Иccлeдoвaния/ENG/Kasser R.%2C Meyer M.W.%2C Wurst G._-_The_Gospel_of_Judas_from_Codex_Tchacos.pdf

>>17894348
Isn't modern concepts of Hell heretical (lifted from "Dante's Inferno" — a fictitious work) anyways? It was only added to the Bible by t he Orthodogs church to exert control.

>>17894367
The Zohar is central to Kabbalah, you can't separate them. Also the Gnostic Gospels were written long before the Zohar. They say completely different things.
>>17894402
Hell as a place of eternal damnation predates the Divine Comedy by many centuries. Dante wouldn't have written a poem about them if the three realms didn't exist prior. However many things like the 9 levels were lifted from it and incorporated into popular conception.

>>17894533
Big if true.

>>17894600
Go look into it if you don't believe, nigger.

>>17892685 (OP)

"Elohim" is like the English word "sheep". You can speak of a sheep or several sheep. Though it is often translated god or God, "elohim" refers to spiritual beings or authorities. Angels are sometimes referred to as elohim, as are pagan false gods, demons, sometimes even human judges. Psalm 82 is about YHWH, the Supreme God, speaking to lesser divine beings (here probably angels)

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>>17894684
>too lazy to provide own source

>>17894881
Also just LOL
>Dante woildn't have written about it if it didn't exist before
Many of the ideas in his book, while not only fictitious (like "9 layers of Hell" or "Lucifer froze in ice in the center of the Earth") but your logic is circular. Try again. Also, you didn't answer my question on Lucifer. Retard.

>>17894888
While ideas of "places of fiery punishment" did exist before, the difference was that even they were temporary (like during the Second Temple). But go ahead and post another vacuous response.

>>17894823
Elohim can sometimes mean one or more, but it's still distinguished (like Genesis 1:26). Try again.

>>17894888
Holy trips
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