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Anonymous No.17892929 >>17892934 >>17892949 >>17892955 >>17892985
>historians say germany started world war 1
>look into it
>they didn't
>historians say germany started world war 2
>look into it
>they didn't
i'm starting to distrust historians when it comes to 20th century history
Anonymous No.17892934 >>17892954 >>17892958 >>17892977
>>17892929 (OP)
Germany literally did start WW1, and only waited for the Kiel Canal to finish. Otherwise Germany would have started it sooner
Anonymous No.17892949
>>17892929 (OP)
Germans, French, and English are below niggers and pajeets in the human scale. The jewest jews that have ever jewed.
They are equal to muslims, and this is why they have flooded Europe with their muslim brothers.
Anonymous No.17892954 >>17892958
>>17892934
The Russians mobilized first.
Anonymous No.17892955
>>17892929 (OP)
>historians say germany started world war 1

Except historians dont say this you moron.
It's consensus that ww1 started because of multiple undelying causes of nationalism and imperialism and militarism and alliances etc. It's a fucking long list.
Literally any of even the most basic public education teachers will fail you if you only cite the july crisis assasination as a cause for the war.

Idk maybe in muttamerica they wont, but mutt education isnt just a meme.
Anonymous No.17892958
>>17892934
>>17892954
>Blank cheque started the war
>Mobilization started the war

Youre both faggots. Unironically.
The war started because Austria invaded Serbia, knowing that Russia would likely intervene, knowing that Germany will likely intervene.

They knew it could blow up to a world war and they attacked Serbia anyway. They started the war. Idk why its so fucking hard for people not to see this simple fact. They must always try to do some 4D chess analysis to find the actual culprit, when its pretty obvious that any and every action that leads to war depends on whether Austria invades Serbia or not. That's the cataclysm of every event.

And no, the Serb government did not control the Black Hand nor did they authorize the assasination. Its been over 100 years and historians have still found no proof.
The Serbs agreed to virtually every point of the ultimatum except for one because it was fatal to their sovreignty. The Austrians should have at least tried to meet the Serbs half-way in negoations to avoid a world war.
Anonymous No.17892976 >>17892993
Dear /his/torians please enlighten me on this: What was Bismarck's actual stance on the Alsace-Lorraine question?

"while the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine – strongly advocated by the military and reluctantly accepted by German chancellor Otto von Bismarck – imposed a lasting burden on Franco-German relations"
-The Sleepwalkers, Cristopher Clark

"The annexation of Alsace-Lorraine – strongly advocated by Bismarck – traumatized the French political elite and imposed a lasting burden on Franco-German relations.54 Alsace-Lorraine became the holy grail of the French cult of revanche, providing the focus for successive waves of chauvinist agitation. Pressing for it may well have been the ‘worst mistake’ of Bismarck’s political career"
-Iron Kingdom, Cristopher Clark

So did he press for the annexation or did he not want it? I don't get it. The two books contradict each other.
Anonymous No.17892977
>>17892934
>Germany literally did start WW1
Nah, the people most motivated to escalate a minor colonial conflict were the French and the Russians.
Anonymous No.17892985
>>17892929 (OP)
Ok I'll bite, how did Germany not start WW2.
>in before "um acktually it was Britain and France who declared war!"
Anonymous No.17892993 >>17893002
>>17892976
>In the last few years, Bismarck's role in the annexation of Elsass-Lothringen has become a controversial subject. Bismarck's contemporaries had sensed the new militancy; already on 10 august, Friedrich Engels wrote of the German's national fury. Had Bismarck fanned this national fury, or had he been swept up by it? Had he planned expansionist stories or did he reluctantly accept what public opinion and the military wanted? In later years, Bismarck claimed to have been pushed. The degree of his involvement is still in dispute, but few would contest that by mid-august Bismarck had freely and finally resolved on the annexation despite the certain cost.

Gold & Iron, Fritz Stern 1977, pp. 139

TL;DR We don't know
Anonymous No.17893002
>>17892993
He doesn't give an answer he just asks rhetorical questions and then leaves. Ts pmo so much fr fr bro i NEED someone to point the blame at i can't handle nuance or ambiguity.