Thread 17893407

Are there any other examples in history besides Vietnam of a military using underground tunnels to combat the enemy?

>>17893407 (OP)
Iwa jima and Okinowa islands the Japanese had extensive caves and tunnels excavated during WW2

I've heard Hamas like to dig tunnels beneath mosques and hospitals.

>false tunnel with booby trap grenade
Surely that's not real. One of your guys takes a wrong turn and gets blown up?

>>17893541
Yes, but when you spend 20 hours a day inside the tunnels you learn them pretty well I guess

>>17893407 (OP)
Mine warfare was a constant in the sieges of the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries. And iirc the Maori of New Zealand also built forts with covered ways.

>>17893407 (OP)
Tunneling during sieges has been a thing since Hellenic times at the very least.
But assuming you mean using tunnels as a way of creating defensive works there's still a lot of cases
>First World War, the trenches often developed into complex systems, in and under the ground
>China during Second Sino-Japanese war
>Japan on Peleliu and Iwo Jima during the Second World War
>Korean War, KPA used them to take cover from UN bombing
>Afghanistan, from the Soviet invasion going on until now
>Hamas in the Gaza strip (although technically not /his/)

>>17893407 (OP)
wouldn't it get hot as shit down there?

>>17893407 (OP)
>ventilation shaft, facing east
any reason why??

>>17893834
>down there
Heat rises
>>17893842
Maybe it's less noticeable that going straight up? I don't know

>>17893407 (OP)

Literally Gaza right now you fuckass

>>17893407 (OP)
Siege of Vienna had brutal tunnel warfare between Ottoman sappers and the Christian tunnel rats

>>17893855
Sure, but with the tropical sun beating over them and no AC?

I guess the air is quite cool when you go inside a cave, but I wouldn't expect that for tunnels dug into warm tropical soil

>>17893877
Having been in similar tunnels in Vietnam, it's actually rather chilly in those tunnels.
It's the same as with most caves. Warm air rises, and enough ground insulates against the warmth of the sun as well.
I wouldn't say it's cold in these tunnels, but they are considerably colder than above ground

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In a way it's a shame the Germans took the logical and expected approach of circumventing the Maginot line. It would have been some story if they Germans actually assaulted such a fortress as that

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I want to turn a Maginot fort has into a comfy living space

>>17894401
They made successful probing attacks and managed to circumvent the defenders and force them out.
Maginot would have been much better if it was built 200 years earlier.

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How much of this was ever actually built?

>>17893407 (OP)
>In ancient Judea, especially during the Roman-Jewish Wars (like the First Jewish-Roman War and the Bar Kokhba Revolt), tunnels and underground complexes played a significant role in warfare and the survival of the Jewish population.

>>17894401
the whole point of the line was to force the Germans to attack through a specific area so it worked in that regard, the main problem is the allies massively screwed the pouch in terms of responding to said move

>>17893407 (OP)
disingenuous commie guerilla tactic. Ayn Rand should have extended her foreign policy underneath the earth's crust.

>>17893407 (OP)
>>17893407 (OP)
The Jewish revolts made frequent use of tunnels to hide equipment and soldiers under villages, the bar kokbha revolt being the most notable, but it also made use of tunnels that had already existed from previous revolts. Slaves typically did the digging. This is also why so much roman shit is found in Judea in caves and tunnels, Jews captured it and hid it in these rock crevasses which were forgotten when they lost. The Romans had trouble combating this style of warfare, but you can still win if you just kill everybody as the romans demonstrated.

>>17894914
Worst thing that the communists did was teach that ugly kikess to read and write

Members of Jabhat Fatah al-Sham would dig tunnels and then fill them with explosives during the Syrian Civil War.

>>17894910
>the whole point of the line was to force the Germans to attack through a specific area so it worked in that regard

No, the original concept for the Maginot Line was that it was supposed to be built full strength all the way from the Alps to the English Channel but the Belgians bitched that the French were abandoning them to the Germans (which they admittedly were) and if that was the case, then the Belgians would just ally with the Germans.

This resulted the French only building half-ass fortifications along the Belgian border with the expectation that the Belgians would build their own line of fortifications along the Belgian-German border (which they kinda did but they half-assed it) and in the event of a war, the French would move into Belgium to back them up.