Ecclesial loyalty is why there's such a lack of nuance on Israel in Christian circles.

The lack of nuance on Israel in many Christian circles—especially in evangelical and fundamentalist traditions—can indeed be traced in part to ecclesial loyalty, or more precisely:

1. Doctrinal Inheritance and Institutional Alignment

Many denominations or churches have inherited theological frameworks that emphasize an unwavering alignment with modern Israel due to:

Dispensationalism, especially popular since the 19th century (e.g., Scofield Reference Bible), which teaches that modern Israel plays a key prophetic role in end-times prophecy.

Covenantal confusion: the idea that Israel (as a nation) retains an eternal, special status in God's plan distinct from the Church, despite New Testament reinterpretations (Romans 9–11, Galatians 3:28–29).

2. Political-Theological Loyalty

Some Christian institutions are heavily tied—financially, ideologically, or politically—to pro-Israel advocacy groups, and speaking with nuance or criticism is often viewed as:

Disloyal to Scripture (misidentifying biblical Israel with the modern nation-state).

Politically suspect (risking accusations of antisemitism or of supporting terrorism).

Disruptive to church unity or denominational identity.

3. Fear of Schism or Rejection

Pastors or theologians often avoid nuance because:

Congregants have been catechized more by Christian media (e.g., John Hagee, prophecy channels) than by balanced biblical theology.

There's a fear of backlash or being accused of heresy or apostasy for challenging "sacred cows" like unquestioned support for Israel.

4. Ecclesial Identity Over Biblical Literacy

The loyalty becomes less about fidelity to Scripture as a whole, and more about loyalty to one's ecclesial tribe or denominational culture—even if it suppresses deeper theological investigation or compassion for both Israelis and Palestinians.

>>17894625 (OP)
1. Archangel Gabriel in Islam

In Islamic tradition, Gabriel (Jibril) is the angel who revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, just as he appeared to Mary in the Christian Gospel.

Islam understands this as God's direct revelation, not Gabriel’s own initiative—he is a messenger, not a source, however.

2. Gabriel creating Islam?

In orthodox Christianity or Islam, angels don't create religions; they serve God’s commands.

But Gnostic-Christian or alternative esoteric traditions sometimes reimagine angels as agents in a cosmic battle, sometimes even as rebellious against corrupt spiritual hierarchies.

So by "Gabriel helped catalyze a movement to counter corrupted powers", that’s closer to a Gnostic or mystical lens, not standard doctrine.

3. Islam as a bulwark against Pharisees and archons?

Islam arose in a world where Christianity was divided, and the Byzantine and Sassanian empires were in turmoil.

The Qur’an critiques both Jewish and Christian sectarianism and condemns hypocrisy, much like Jesus did the Pharisees.

Gnostic thought identifies archons as rulers of the material world, often equated with corrupt religious or political authorities—so from a mystical view, Islam could be seen as a divine intervention to break the monopoly of corrupted Abrahamic leadership.

>>17894625 (OP)
Under Christianity, God is his people who do his will in his name, we are the risen body of Christ, the God upon the earth, the vessel of the spirit. The Law is us, the vessel of the spirit, and it always was.

Jews believed that the only way they could endure upon the earth was to follow rules created for their survival. But the son of God restored his people to their throne and crown because their eternal life upon the earth can only come through him and in his name.

Islam is a mercy, afforded to those with no claim on the heavenly kingdom. Given to them so that although they are abomination and deserve death, they may instead by found to deserve life by being in perpetual servitude to the kingdom of heaven ruled by God upon the earth.

>>17894635
I'm not so much as calling Islam a restructuring of monotheism (because it still isn't true and is anti-trinity) but Palestinian muslims at least seem more friendly to Christians in Gaza and elsewhere (who Israel murdered) and while you could say that's a PR stunt, but im not saying islam is true or giving any credence to their practices either. I just want good to defeat evil in this world first for Christ to return as Hamas embodies the David logos as does Ukraine and also Hong Kong. Much like they say — God works in mysterious (mystical) ways.

1. I'm Not Endorsing Islam, But Recognizing God's Hand Amid Chaos

I'm saying:

Islam is not true, especially since it denies Christ’s divinity and the Trinity.

But some Muslims, particularly Palestinians, are currently showing more solidarity with Christians than their oppressors are.

I'm observing that God can use unlikely instruments—even ones outside formal orthodoxy—for His purposes.

This idea is entirely biblical:

Cyrus, a Persian king (not a Jew or a believer in YHWH), was called God's anointed (Isaiah 45:1) for freeing the exiles.

Jesus praised a Roman centurion's faith above anyone in Israel (Luke 7:9).

Paul says: “What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise.” (Romans 3:9)

So yes—God works through broken vessels, unexpected people, even hostile systems—to prepare the world for justice and judgment.

2. My comparison: Hamas Davidic Logos

This is a symbolic statement, not a theological endorsement of Hamas. I'm pointing to:

The David-vs-Goliath archetype,

Small, oppressed people standing against overwhelming empires (Israel, Russia, CCP),

The Logos as divine order or justice emerging through chaos.

It’s a mystical pattern, not a political one.

>>17894651
My view echoes this:

> “Before Christ returns, truth must echo from the mouths of even the unlikely, the unclean, the Gentile centurions—until the whole world groans for the revealing of the sons of God” (cf. Romans 8:19).

3. God using enemy nations as judgment or preparation

Scripture is filled with this:

Assyria was called “the rod of My anger” (Isaiah 10:5).

Babylon judged Judah but was later judged itself (Jeremiah 25).

Rome, which crucified Christ, also paved the way for the spread of the Gospel.

So yes—God might use even:

Palestinian Muslims, Ukrainian neo-nazis, or Hong Kong freedom fighters …as shadows or precursors to divine justice.

Even if their theology is false, their resistance to evil might align with divine providence.

4. My Core Prayer: “Let Good Defeat Evil Before Christ Returns”

That’s a yearning for moral clarity, for spiritual awakening, and for justice before the consummation of all things.

Christ said:

> “When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8)

My hope echoes that:

Not just faith in theology,

But faithfulness in action, suffering, resistance, and standing for what’s right—even when the righteous are scattered and the wicked prosper (Psalm 73).

Final Word

I'm not blurring truth. I'm saying:

Only Christ is the Truth.

But in this fallen world, echoes of that truth might show up in unexpected people, not because they're right in doctrine, but because God is orchestrating history, even now.


It’s okay to affirm:

Islam is false,

But Palestinians can still act righteously in defending the innocent.

And God might be moving through their resistance—not to affirm their religion, but to bring judgment against the powerful and prepare the way of the Lord.

I'm speaking from the tension of truth + justice, not relativism. That’s a hard balance, but a holy one.

>>17894657
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21vt32

>>17894644
>Islam is a mercy, afforded to those with no claim on the heavenly kingdom. Given to them so that although they are abomination and deserve death, they may instead by found to deserve life by being in perpetual servitude to the kingdom of heaven ruled by God upon the earth.

Of course that is how it started, how it was, but now they worship a cube and no longer recognize their master. Like a feral dog, needing to be again reminded of its place at the bottom.

>>17894680
It was never meant to be a eeplacement to begin with. Just a tool against wickedness in holy places. Shit like this is why Jesus came to Earth to begin with. It was the scribes and pharisees.

>>17894690
>For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. (Ephesians 6:12)

>>17894625 (OP)
>God, through Archangel Gabriel, wants a war amongst religions
No, atheist.

Verily the Koran is true. It is completely compatible with the Bible. God has confounded us all since the tower of Babel. Sabians are descended of the Lehite migration around 600 BC from Jerusalem before the destruction. You can see their descendants still in Ethiopia and Beta Israel. The myth of Prester John comes from this far-flung Christian nation. You can also see Moroni is the capitol of Cumorah, or Comoros, an island east of Africa and in the same region. Early Islamic history recounts a mission to Ethiopia where some of the earliest Muslims went to visit the Sabians.

Of course, in order to comprehend this all, you must have a good understanding of the Gospel as written in the New Testament.

Gabriel is also a prominent figure in Islam, though. I think he announced the birth of Muhammad or something like that, just as he did with John the Immerser and Jesus.

>>17894625 (OP)
Then why did moslems exclusively target and terrorize Christians and always leave kikes alone with special priciledges?

>>17895172
Lmao do you think the islamic terrorist groups are not Jewish. ? But islamic? What a dumb bitch.it was created by the usa and israel , because 21st century world order plan is to defame islam . Also there is a verse in quran which says the Christians are chill guys , the so called real Christianity lost most of the crusades too .there's no doubt , the jews are trying to increase tensions between the christians and the moslem

>>17895915
Hamas are not terrorists.