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Anonymous No.17894725 >>17894728 >>17895069 >>17895328 >>17895351 >>17896691 >>17902260 >>17904817 >>17905129 >>17905820
If God loved everyone he wouldn't make them different
If God loved me he would have healed me already. He revives people and in the Bible it's said that people can move mountains with their faith and there are many other miracles yet conveniently doesn't want to heal me. There's nothing to learn from it, if anything the only thing that can be acquired from it is resentment.
Gnostic Anon No.17894728 >>17894733 >>17894864
>>17894725 (OP)
>if God loved everyone he wouldn't have made diversity in life
Lolwut?
Anonymous No.17894733 >>17894788
>>17894728
>diversity is good
Then following your logic there can be multiple truths. In reality there are beings that are better than others.
Anonymous No.17894752 >>17894758 >>17895487
You would not appreciate healing if there were no illness. Suffering is not meaningless. You will learn something from it. You will gain something from it. You seem to believe, at least a little, in God and the Bible; if you didn't, you wouldn't care so much about what it says and what He thinks about you. Ask yourself, then, who is presented in the Bible as our ultimate example, the perfect man to be emulated by all men? The obvious answer is Jesus Christ. Did Jesus say "If God loved Me, He would take the cross away from me?" No. He, according to His human nature, prayed for an end to the suffering, but, as the perfect man to be emulated, ended it with "Yet not My will, but Thy will, be done." That should be your disposition. Accept the suffering, whatever it is, as gracefully as you can. You will find healing in that, be it material or spiritual (or both!). The Cross comes first, then the Resurrection. You are no different. God loves you.
Anonymous No.17894758
>>17894752
>You would not appreciate healing if there were no illness
That makes no sense like the following sentences. It's all just a cope at this point.
Gnostic Anon No.17894788 >>17894792 >>17894864
>>17894733
True and false. Inverse logic is real, but you're still wrong in your premise in the OP.
Anonymous No.17894792
>>17894788
>you're wrong because I say so
Not an argument.
Anonymous No.17894864
>>17894728
>>17894788
"Gnostic" Anon check out this post in your thread:
>>17894856
Anonymous No.17895069 >>17895121
>>17894725 (OP)
>If God loved me he would have healed me already.
Do you love him? Do you worship him? Do you obey him? Do you serve him?
Anonymous No.17895121 >>17895166 >>17895201
>>17895069
Tried to, made no difference.
Anonymous No.17895166 >>17895170 >>17895183
>>17895121
You just didnt try hard enough, bro. That seed of doubt in your mind because worshipping a bronze age, Semitic storm deity seems kind of fucking stupid?... thats why nothing happens. Believe harder, give your money to the church, and shut up.
Anonymous No.17895170
>>17895166
Right. No idea why they can't be honest for once.
Anonymous No.17895179 >>17895187
>demiurge laughing

also have a scene from capeslop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdmSrEUhjwQ
Anonymous No.17895183
>>17895166
It's strange how they have no actual answers but unironically say something similar without realizing how ridiculous they look.
Anonymous No.17895187
>>17895179
What?
Anonymous No.17895201 >>17895205
>>17895121
No you didn't.
Anonymous No.17895205 >>17895352
>>17895201
How did you decide that?
Anonymous No.17895328 >>17895479
>>17894725 (OP)
When Elijah was alive he healed a Syrian general while there was still Jews with leprosy.

You act like a spoiled child demanding something you do not deserve.
Anonymous No.17895351 >>17895479
>>17894725 (OP)
are you scared of the outdoors anon?
don't be, it's not as bad
Anonymous No.17895352 >>17895479
>>17895205
because you're still sick. you said it yourself
Anonymous No.17895479 >>17896135 >>17896216
>>17895328
I don't deserve the bare minimum?
>>17895351
What?
>>17895352
He doesn't want to heal me, it's that simple. He could do it right now, yet...
Anonymous No.17895487 >>17896019
>>17894752
You can't appreciate being healed if you're never healed.
Anonymous No.17896019
>>17895487
Nice one.
Anonymous No.17896135 >>17896421
>>17895479
>bare minimum
>I want to be healed of everything
Lmao you want to be perfect you have to earn it.
Anonymous No.17896216 >>17896421
>>17895479
He wants what is best for you
Just pray harder, you got this
Anonymous No.17896421 >>17896828 >>17897712
>>17896135
Right, meanwhile most other people don't have such problems and they are not even close to being perfect.
>>17896216
Makes no sense.
Anonymous No.17896691 >>17896924 >>17897196
>>17894725 (OP)
God is good but He is also fair. When good parents see their kids do something wrong they let them to taste the consequences of their wrongdoing, so that they learn not to misbehave in the future.

Same with God. Disease and death came with the original sin. Our ancestors voluntarily chose sinning despite having everything in paradise. Now we have to endure disease and death. God can save you but you need to accept Him first. Salvation can be attained for the real Life after this false life. Many people are healed from worldly disease but only if it serves them or other people to change course and convert. Other times disease is left because the sacrifice of bearing with it makes one gain more points toward salvation, and faster. This is the path of the Cross. It is not about suffering, but about sacrifice offered to God.
Anonymous No.17896828 >>17897198
>>17896421
>whataboutism
Again you don't deserve perfection
Anonymous No.17896924 >>17897585
>>17896691
I'm sick of abrahamic gaslighting
Anonymous No.17897196 >>17897583 >>17897583 >>17897583
>>17896691
>do something wrong
I don't know man, it's not like I had a good life or something, if anything this is like the cherry on the top.
>one gain more points toward salvation, and faster
Clearly the very opposite is happening with me.
Anonymous No.17897198 >>17897288
>>17896828
>has no arguments and just repeats the same thing over and over
So you're just coping.
Anonymous No.17897288 >>17897317
>>17897198
So your argument is because people have a better life than me, God is mean since He didn't make me better than them? What a selfish life you live. You should learn humility from your trial
Anonymous No.17897317
>>17897288
>didn't make me better than them
Where did I said that? I want the bare minimum to live a barely normal life and like I said already, my life was bad enough as it is. It seems like you're a very dishonest person.
Anonymous No.17897583 >>17897693
>>17897196
>>17897196
>it's not like I had a good life or something
Almost nobody has. The world will try to convince you of otherwise, but these lies fall apart real quick. This life is a "valley of tears" as the praying says. It became corrupt in the fall of man

>>17897196
>Clearly the very opposite is happening with me
You can try to turn that upside down. If we have to endure diseases, at least lets try to get the most out of them.

t. another diseased (I might be remembering this big mouth of mine soon)
Anonymous No.17897585
>>17896924
You know something is true when you don't like it.
Anonymous No.17897693
>>17897583
>Almost nobody has
That's not true.
>You can try to turn that upside down
How, I tried more than enough.
Anonymous No.17897712 >>17897722
>>17896421
But it does make sense
maybe He is teaching you a lesson, we all have to go through it
maybe He is preventing something worse from befalling you by keeping you in a state of infirmity. We don't know the future.
Anonymous No.17897722 >>17898712 >>17899136
>>17897712
It has been going on for far too long and difficult to make any sense out of it. It's has become unbearable.
Anonymous No.17898712 >>17899090
>>17897722
What specifically are you impaired with? Cancer? Migraines?
Anonymous No.17899090 >>17899099
>>17898712
Digestion and other things.
Anonymous No.17899099 >>17900369
>>17899090
>digestion
That's it? Digestion? You get bad gas? Holes in your stomach thanks to ulcers?
Anonymous No.17899136 >>17900369
>>17897722
you may need medical assistance. Is your condition chronic?
Anonymous No.17900369 >>17900383 >>17900704
>>17899099
What do you mean that's it?
>You get bad gas?
You can't be serious.
>>17899136
>you may need medical assistance
Why? He can heal me right now but for some reason refuses to.
Anonymous No.17900383 >>17900385
>>17900369
You're not exactly being "specific" like I asked. With the information provided I get the impression you are doing this to yourself. you can disprove me by being more specific.
Anonymous No.17900385 >>17900394
>>17900383
I don't want to be specific, you're free to believe whatever you want.
Anonymous No.17900394 >>17900400
>>17900385
Then don't get all pissy when an Anon says you aren't really suffering since you only gave "digestion" as an answer.
Anonymous No.17900400 >>17900423 >>17900431
>>17900394
I didn't, it was just disappointment. But in the end it's a normal behavior for most Christians to judge and act like doctors in contradiction with their belief.
Anonymous No.17900423 >>17900427
>>17900400
Christians aren't allowed to believe in medicine or Doctors
It is also disappointing but expected to see another bad faith argument from someone who lies about personal illnesses.
Anonymous No.17900427
>>17900423
But are especially allowed to judge, clearly.
Anonymous No.17900428
God has a huge problem with disabled people
Anonymous No.17900431
>>17900400
The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.
Anonymous No.17900704 >>17901350
>>17900369
He gave you a brain
use it to improve your life
what else do (you) want God to do?
Anonymous No.17901350 >>17902191
>>17900704
Ah, so He can do everything but somehow not this thing, yep!
Anonymous No.17902191 >>17902465
>>17901350
Why are you scared to use the freewill God gave you to stop your indigestion?
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17902260 >>17902467
>>17894725 (OP)

>IF GOD REAL Y [X THING]

Please. PLEASE. Stop making these retarded arguments. It's getting tiring refuting them all.
Anonymous No.17902465 >>17902657
>>17902191
>you should rely on Him for everything but not this specific thing!
I did and still am trying to but obviously it's not working.
Anonymous No.17902467 >>17905451
>>17902260
That's why you couldn't refute this one, right?
Anonymous No.17902657 >>17902681
>>17902465
You can't do both? Do you still rely on your parents to feed and bath you as well?
Anonymous No.17902681 >>17902689
>>17902657
>You can't do both?
It's not going to be sincere and if I have to do it by myself what's the point? He could instantly heal me or at the very least lead me to path that would heal but no. Once again, what's the point, then?
>Do you still rely
So wanting to be healed is the same as your example? Yep, another extremely dishonest post. And are you trying to say that you can do anything at all without His will? Really?
Anonymous No.17902689 >>17902694
>>17902681
Satan was right. You only love God if he blesses you.
Anonymous No.17902694 >>17902742
>>17902689
>want to be able to live a barely normal life in which I can at least provide for myself, something everyone takes for granted
>you're ungrateful
Yes, clearly I'm a very spoiled person who pretends to have a problem and you're right about everything.
Anonymous No.17902742 >>17902754
>>17902694
And you won't love God unless he gives that to you?
Anonymous No.17902754 >>17903608
>>17902742
I can't because the only thing I feel is resentment.
Anonymous No.17903608 >>17904165
>>17902754
So you admit it is a personal problem then. Such pride you have. You really do need to learn humility.
Anonymous No.17904165 >>17904367
>>17903608
So you admit that you're a dishonest, mentally ill person?
Anonymous No.17904367 >>17904369
>>17904165
>ad homin
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.17904369 >>17904668
>>17904367
Of course you do, you have no actual arguments.
Anonymous No.17904668 >>17904702 >>17904818
>>17904369
Neither do you. You are saying "if God good why bad thing happen?" Which is an easily answerable question you simply refuse to accept the answer. Your only rebuttal is "nu-uh"
Anonymous No.17904702 >>17904809
>>17904668
>"no good arguments"
Anonymous No.17904809 >>17905021
>>17904702
>still can't give a coherent argument
Sad. So when are you going to use your freewill to fix yourself? Or you still going to complain and do nothing?
Anonymous No.17904817
>>17894725 (OP)
Okay. Let's hear your argument. You haven't made one yet.
Anonymous No.17904818 >>17904825 >>17904947 >>17904951 >>17904975
>>17904668
>why bad thing happen
If He wanted to, He could have helped me and I would have tried to spread the word for it. Instead I'm supposed to wait for forever which kind of removes the illusion that He can help you and following that way of thinking how can we know He loves us at all? At the very least, He could have given me the strength to at least endure it, yet...
Anonymous No.17904825 >>17904828
>>17904818
>He could have given me the strength to at least endure it, yet...
Endure what? Your crippling lust for cocks?
Anonymous No.17904828
>>17904825
Keep projecting.
Anonymous No.17904947 >>17905197
>>17904818
>I shall treat God with Quid pro Quo
Lmao. You do it out of love for Him not because you get a reward.
Anonymous No.17904951 >>17905197
>>17904818
Considering you are regularly posting you definitely are enduring it with little effort.
Anonymous No.17904975 >>17905197
>>17904818
>If He wanted to
Why does he has to want to? Who are you to him that he has to help you? What have you done for him?
Anonymous No.17905021 >>17905250 >>17905782
>>17904809
The free will cope only works if you're a retarded open theist. In a classical christian framework, you have:

1. Motion exists and actions which proceed from the will move from potency to act. That which is moved has motion by virtue of itself or from another (God). An infinite regress is impossible. Therefore all actions derive their being from God.

2. That which God foreknows is either pure act or potency reduced to act. The former is impossible since things are only distinguished by unactualized potencies, therefore there cannot be many beings which are pure act, so the dilemma inevitably falls into the latter, meaning that everything God knows is known precisely because he made it so; otherwise you concede that God's eternal, unchanging, and perfect knowledge is dependent upon the free actions of creatures, which is fucking retarded.

Enjoy your free will anon, just remember next time you goon God is practically forcing your hand up and down your wet cock. Also remember next time you mourn the damnation of souls that God brought forth creation just to wait 4.5 billion years to do fuck all and then created humans just so he could set 90%+ of them on fire forever.

"The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps."

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."

"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many."

"Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction"
Anonymous No.17905129
>>17894725 (OP)
Is your argument:
>God is evil because evil exists
>God is evil because not everyone is good
Or
>God is evil because he wants us to learn about scarcity
?
I assume Christians explain these away by the concept of the original sin while the muslims say that this world is a short test before living in heaven and jews simply try to find loopholes starting from "God is evil"
>Why this punishment(c)/test(m) specifically?
I again assume because god hates commies like he hates faggots since he specifically made scarcity real desu
Anonymous No.17905197 >>17905804
>>17904947
>>17904951
>>17904975
>constantly talks about love and forgiveness
>why would He do that
Anonymous No.17905250
>>17905021
>Calvinists are the real christians, others aren't real Christianity
Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI No.17905451 >>17905474
>>17902467

It refutes itself, it's so utterly fucking stupid. Just look at it.
Anonymous No.17905474
>>17905451
Clearly it doesn't.
Anonymous No.17905782
>>17905021
>no true scotsman argument with a fucking religion thread
God you are retarded
Anonymous No.17905804 >>17906188
>>17905197
So you have never done evil? You have never hurt others? Have never had filthy and disgusting feelings of hatred and anger towards another in your heart? You have never felt envy, greed, lust? Things God never feels because yes perfect. What will you do if God holds you accountable for your sins instead of forgiving you? You will not be able to endure the punishment that you deserve.

But love God who is rigtheous and do good and then God will look past your sins and not condemn you in the day of your judgement.
Anonymous No.17905820 >>17906188
>>17894725 (OP)
You are of little faith. God is good and righteous. You should feel happiness that God gave you the ability to feel compassion now. There will be many people in here who don't understand it because they don't experience pain, yet. But, you will find compassion in your fellow man who shares this pain with you.

If you truly want to feel better. Go study healing verses. Pray in earnest your desires to God and make sure to stop your sinful ways. You will never get better as long as you keep sinning.
Anonymous No.17906188
>>17905804
>>17905820
>you deserve it for existing
>most people don't have it
>uhhhhhhhhhhh