Thread 17896367

with one condition, that it limits corporate lobbying. If this is not done democracy will become an oligarchy, like it secretly is today.

>we are all the equal stakeholders of the tribe/city/nation!
lol no. the best possible system for drafting rubes into dying for oligarchs maybe

>>17896379
The historical context at that time necessitated constant war and invasion as all other major factions around Rome behaved the same. This is not the case anymore. The historical conditions of Rome does not apply to us.

>>17896383
You are right, we are more like Athens. Rome won its wars, Athens lost like we did Korea Vietnam Afghanistan Libya Yemen Ukraine and soon Taiwan. Wars we had no business fighting in the first place.

>by democracy he want's people not to be elected by the people but elected by the Gods (lottery)
>He wants to exile those whose who deny the might and the majesty of the Gods (theocracy)

It's weird watching post-modern liberals appropriate Athenian politics.

Also women shouldn't be allowed to vote

>>17896399
Heavily brown coded.

>>17896403
Brown coded reply

>>17896399
You shouldn’t be allowed to speak

>>17896385
Libya was a loss? Is this the new cope?

>>17896367 (OP)
Its a system with enough holes for corruption to make someone with trypophobia cry. If this is the best that humanity has ever come up with, politics is a lost cause

>>17896367 (OP)
Oligarchy is fine if they were actually cared the citizens, but time and time again the modern version of "democracy" fails to serve the citizens almost always. Why should anyone care about your precious democracy so much?

>>17896414
Seethe tranny

>>17896635
The West has become increasingly undemocratic my entire lifetime.

>>17896635
Oligarchs never care about their citizens. The nation is a tool for them to get rich. Dictators can care about their citizens though

>>17896654
A dictatorship is better than oligarchy desu

>>17896699
>I want to have no say in any political matter and I want one person to have complete power over all aspects of my life

cuck mentality

>>17896390
>want's
Why are EFL like this?
Saxon genetive is used to show possession, it's not 3rd person singular -s

>>17896399
Between the God and truth, most of people shouldn't be allowed to vote

>>17896367 (OP)
Yup

The USA has degenerated into a kleptocratic neo-feudalist banana republic run by a criminal mafia oligarchy

>>17896403
Fuck out of here you smelly piece of shit dalit

>>17896367 (OP)
any system of elections becomes an oligarchy because only the rich have the time and resources to campaign for votes
democracy requires sortition

If you want to steer your ship through the storm, do you let one captain decide how to rule, or do you want the regular sailers to first vote about everything?

>>17896367 (OP)
No, that isn't good enough. There shouldn't be corporate personhood at all, it muddies the whole we the people aspect of democracy by pretending paperwork is people in order to give powerful lawyers and executives more rights that biological people without a shield of imaginary shell people to protect and serve them.

>>17896403
Nah I'm Anglo and actually agree. If anything is to be known about female voting patterns they vote based on looks and charisma and not policy and honesty.

>>17896798
That's a lot of complicated words for someone who is ESL

>>17896735
Listen here, fucker
A language is defined by its users and it wasn't your first so piss off

Agree, but the voters should be heavily triaged. Like for example, married men who have completed military service.
Just an example of what the voting population should consist of.
That way you get the vocal emotional masses of idiots out of the way and you gotta have voters with real stakes in the system, with incentive to make it work (like having a family)

>>17897789
The captain needs to be informed by all the sailors to know the best course since the captain only has one set of eyes himself, so yes all the sets of eyes should inform the decision.

>>17897865
OP and I agree, but you shouldn’t be too exclusive otherwise you’re facing an angry crowed. In my opinion, the middle class should matter more than the poor and the rich since they are the balance. If the middle class is the priority of the system, the rich and poor will also be benefited, since it becomes easier for the poor to ascend the social hierarchy, and it becomes easier for the rich to maintain their status because a big middle class does not pose threats to the rich, unlike the poor.

>>17896367 (OP)
>that it limits corporate lobbying
I think we should just turn people who're too rich into Micro Nations.
Then we invade them.

>>17897821
Corporations are necessary to keep the economy alive

>>17896367 (OP)
The people and the state collaborating just ends up creating a massive lobby system where the bigger companies pull up the ladder with retarded entry barriers/patents that stifle healthy competition. If you want a perfect example of democracy and a lobby system destroying your life look to martin shkreli. Without patents he cannot increase the price willy nilly

>>17897873
So the sailors should always just do their assigned job and not question authority, start a mutiny, or involve in leadership disputes? agree

>>17898230
They don't need to be persons, they just need to be contracts between persons, so the actual criminal persons who ruin corporations can be held accountable.

>>17897865
Veterans, a famously stable and rational population!

>>17898240
>So the sailors should always just do their assigned job and not question authority
The job duties should be assigned based on qualifications, not authority.

>start a mutiny
Yes that should be on the table any time the captain goes mad or otherwise is negligent to his duties.

>involve in leadership disputes?
Yes the disputes should be addressed by the collective instead of just a couple of people at the top who don't have the full context.

>>17896367 (OP)
>I-I-IT'S NOT *REAL* REPUBLICANISM, MY BIB-I MEAN MANIFESTO SAYS SO!

>>17896367 (OP)

Papal monarchy is the best, actually. A society where the Pope has the absolute power over the state.

>>17898262
Yes the best way to make sure every child in the society gets raped before they spoil.

>>17896367 (OP)
democracy is cringe, only my obscure fringe beliefs are true

>>17896367 (OP)
>with one condition, that it limits corporate lobbying
No. Outright ban capitalism.