Thread 17897544

Could Sola Fide, AKA Faith Alone, be found before the Reformation?

>>17897544 (OP)
it was kinda floating around in educated catholic circles imo they were surprisingly flexible with their theology when you didn't outright challenge the church

>>17897544 (OP)
Would some of the early asthetics fit in with this idea?

>>17897547
Then the Roman Catholic Church gradually got more dogmatic about doctrines. Things were already quite dogmatic before the Council of Trent, the stifling and buildup to a boiling point at least in part inspiring the Protestant Reformation. In the wake of the two Vatican councils, far more so.

>>17897544 (OP)
I don't really doubt that somebody or a group could have come up with the idea before Martin Luther. It may have even been the original belief predominantly held in the 1st century before getting muddled and then making way for a more works-centric outlook.

>>17897563
Ascetics? Perhaps so. I do not know enough about them to make a judgement.

Inb4 some out of context church father quote mine by a protestant.

The short answer is no, at least not in the classical Protestant perception

The long answer is that faith for the first millennium Christians entailed far more than a conscious belief of the divinity of Christ and belief in the message He and His Apostles preached. It entailed works of love, trust in the bishop, and consensus in belief. From Sts. Ignatius, to Cyprian, Augustine, Basil, Ambrose, John of Damascus, and others, you see those three points repeatedly emphasized. It isn't until after the split between East and West do you see the first inklings of what would form the basis of sola fide could be found in Western works. Namely, Aquinas' writings regarding infants and young children not being able to properly partake of communion due to their lack of mental maturity, and the subsequent spread of the practice of holding off communion from children until they reach the "age of reason". The idea that faith cannot be properly partaken off until some arbitrary age of cognitive maturity is reached underpins much of what sola fide is based on in regards to justification and the dynamic between faith and works.

>>17897571
>It entailed works of love, trust in the bishop, and consensus in belief
Uhhhhhh, which bishop was the Penitent Thief reporting to?

>>17897569
Basics of the deseart fathers for you to take a look at if you want.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Desert-Fathers

>>17897571
Thanks anon. I'll have to do some more digging. There is so much about the east west split I have just started to explore.

No

because you cannot monetize sola fide or use it to force people to acknowledge your made up authority

>>17897544 (OP)
The 9th century Hispano-Frankish Bishop Claudius of Turin held to what could be considered Sola Fide. He came from around the Pyrenees Mountains, where the Gallic Presbyter Vigilantius from a few centuries before had also been raised and ministered within.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius_of_Turin

sola fide was always doctrine
the difference is in the definition of “faith”

Yes. It was apparently taught by Pope Clement I