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Anonymous No.17897926 >>17897939 >>17897948 >>17897959 >>17897992 >>17898058 >>17898074 >>17898336 >>17898592 >>17898605 >>17898968 >>17900127 >>17900918 >>17901545 >>17903184
Surely they weren't THAT bad, right? Spaintards were just projecting.
Anonymous No.17897936 >>17898039 >>17903583
You have to understand that to the Aztecs, this was completely normalized, and was justified under their religious and political doctrines. They didn't think it was morally "wrong" per se. They actually considered it a good thing, likely as a way to maintain social order and as a form of primitive eugenics against potential dysgenic people, so called "maintaining cosmic balance"
Anonymous No.17897939
>>17897926 (OP)
They weren't. ZOG (Catholic Sanhedrin&Habsburg dynasty of the Almohad Caliphate) just couldn't handle the light of what REAL civilization looks like instead of noxious slums, Jew-larp and Babylon envy.
Anonymous No.17897943
Noooo not the heckin sacrifice!! who cares
Anonymous No.17897948 >>17898332
>>17897926 (OP)
>Spaintards were just projecting.
This but unironically. The Catholic Spanish were committing public executions for religious offenses, which is one step down from a full blown human sacrifice.
Anonymous No.17897950 >>17903303
Slitting baby throats is wholesome actually. Sorry you had to find out this way.
Anonymous No.17897959 >>17897971 >>17898039 >>17898332 >>17903303 >>17903583
>>17897926 (OP)
>Surely they weren't THAT bad, right?

It used to be worse. I think before the 1400's they would just do it to everyone (especially babies) and anyone who wasn't part of the nobility or priesthood, but they later had a reformation where only slaves or prisoners of war detained in "butterfly wars" could be ritually sacrificed and eaten.
In their defense they also thought it was necessary: blood was the strongest fertilizer they knew of, people needed to die to feed the gods, and the only thing preventing entropy (from their perspective) was the regular ritual sacrifice of people. They also ate a lot of them, they were eating them. This kind of "institutionalized cannibalism" is fairly consistent across societies or cultures that lack some kind of garbage-eating, fatty, red-meat, animal like a goat or a pig.

>Spaintards were just projecting.

The Spanish gave them credit where it was due: they endlessly praised the Aztecs for the cleanliness of their cities, their aqueducts and running water systems, and the extensive public infrastructure including schools and markets. Many of them considered Tenochtitlan to be one of the finest cities they had ever seen.
In retrospect, people are right to claim that the Spanish didn't have any monopoly on moral righteousness: they, Christians, were burning people alive for not believing the bread was the literal body of Christ, tortured people who failed Bible trivia pursuit, and weren't even eating them.
Anonymous No.17897971
>>17897959
>"butterfly wars"
Flower wars
Anonymous No.17897992 >>17897993
>>17897926 (OP)
worse, the ritual included eating the bodies.
Anonymous No.17897993
>>17897992
>He draws the line at eating the body
Anonymous No.17898039
>>17897936
>>17897959
Do you people just don't know anything about how Meso-American human sacrifices worked?
Anonymous No.17898058 >>17898074 >>17903615 >>17904792
>>17897926 (OP)
I don't think they were that bad if I take the moral relativism pill but they were the local bully so their neighbors sicing the Spanish on them makes sense. Shame they didn't have the will to keep fighting like the inca.
Anonymous No.17898074 >>17898085 >>17898957 >>17903615 >>17903615 >>17904792
>>17897926 (OP)
>6 million yods in a few years? with 1940s tech? best I can do is 250k
>Why yes I absolutely do believe Spanish sources that claim Aztecs were sacrificing 10 trillion people per nanosecond.
I don't think that the primitives of Mesoamerica were peaceful, but I just don't trust moorberians who were retarded enough to believe in things like "El dorado".
>>17898058
They weren't "the local bully" that's a retarded proto-reddit view of the power struggle inherent in all civilizations. Guess what? Tlaxcalans and other Spanish allies were just as bloodthirsty and backwards cannibals as the Aztecs were. The hated the Aztecs because they were on top and everyone else wasn't. None of the men who were there had any delusions about the tribes surrounding the Aztecs being HECKIN wholesome chungus people that didn't do human sacrifice.
Anonymous No.17898085 >>17898337
>>17898074
>That pic
>"Real Nigga Economies"
The United States over twice as much natural resources as China
Anonymous No.17898332 >>17898942 >>17899009 >>17903303
>>17897948
Small difference between punitive capital punishment (as a result of a standardised and regulated legal process), and state-sponsored human sacrifices that were seen as a tribute to the dirt gods, including cannibalism and infant sacrifice...
>>17897959
A total of 0 people were burned alive by the Spanish Inquisition
Anonymous No.17898336
>>17897926 (OP)
What's bad about human sacrifice? It makes sense to me.
Anonymous No.17898337 >>17899010
>>17898085
>The United States over twice as much natural resources as China
Is that why the whole fucking planet is dependent on Chinese rare earth elements?
Anonymous No.17898592
>>17897926 (OP)
>A tower of human skulls unearthed beneath the heart of Mexico City has raised new questions about human sacrifice in the Aztec Empire (1325–1521) after crania of women and children surfaced among the hundreds embedded in forbidding structure.

>Archaeologists have found more than 650 skulls caked in lime and thousands of fragments in the cylindrical edifice near the site of the Templo Mayor, one of the main temples in the Aztec capital Tenochtitlan, which later became Mexico City. The 6m diameter tower forms part of Huey Tzompantli, a massive array of skulls that struck fear into Spanish conquistadors when they captured the city while they were lead by Hernan Cortes.

>Roughly 6m in diameter, the tower stood on the corner of temple of Huitzilopochtli, Aztec God of the Sun, War and Human Sacrifice. Its base has yet to be unearthed. There was no doubt that the tower was one of the skull edifices mentioned by Andres de Tapia, a Spanish conquistador who accompanied Cortes in the 1521 Spanish Conquest of Mexico.
Anonymous No.17898605 >>17903303
>>17897926 (OP)
>A tower of human skulls unearthed beneath the heart of Mexico City has raised new questions about human sacrifice in the Aztec Empire (1325–1521) after crania of women and children surfaced among the hundreds embedded in forbidding structure.

>Archaeologists have found more than 650 skulls caked in lime and thousands of fragments in the cylindrical edifice near the site of the Templo Mayor, one of the main temples in the Aztec capital Tenochtitlan, which later became Mexico City. The 6m diameter tower forms part of Huey Tzompantli, a massive array of skulls that struck fear into Spanish conquistadors when they captured the city while they were lead by Hernan Cortes.

>Roughly 6m in diameter, the tower stood on the corner of temple of Huitzilopochtli, Aztec God of the Sun, War and Human Sacrifice. Its base has yet to be unearthed. There was no doubt that the tower was one of the skull edifices mentioned by Andres de Tapia, a Spanish conquistador who accompanied Cortes in the 1521 Spanish Conquest of Mexico.
Anonymous No.17898685 >>17904792
Cannibalism was a pragmatic way of the ruling class with dealing with captured enemies. Cannibalism served two purpose
A) It got rid of mouths to feed. This was imperative in a society without cattle and rudimentary agrarian tools.
B) It provided much needed protein to the warrior caste.

It had nothing to do with morality. In fact, the sacrificed wouldnt even understand the concept of pity of the christians. The warrior caste were raised to deal with the fact that they might become a sacrifical victim.
Anonymous No.17898942 >>17899091
>>17898332
>Small difference between punitive capital punishment (as a result of a standardised and regulated legal process), and state-sponsored human sacrifices that were seen as a tribute to the dirt gods, including cannibalism and infant sacrifice...
Very true. However both of them are still, at the end of the day, killing people in broad daylight with the hope that it might make things better. It works on the same base psychology.
Shunning is counts, thiugh in that case the person suffers social death, not physical.
Anonymous No.17898957 >>17899439 >>17903615 >>17904792
>>17898074
The Spanish sources mention all mexica tribes participated in human sacrifice, with skull racks being present in every town's plaza. Some allies like the Tlaxcala ritually sacrificed and ate the aztec prisoners in front of them. Instead of making up things read the two most serious sources on the matter, Bernal Diaz del Castillo and Bernardino de SahagΓΊn.
Anonymous No.17898968
>>17897926 (OP)
Spain didn't give a shit. They just wanted gold
Anonymous No.17899009 >>17899091
>>17898332
>Small difference between punitive capital punishment (as a result of a standardised and regulated legal process), and state-sponsored human sacrifices that were seen as a tribute to the dirt gods, including cannibalism and infant sacrifice...
What is it? That you happen to be connected to one and not the other?
Also what does " standardised and regulated legal process " have to do with anything. Meso-American human sacrifices were very much standardized and regulated.
Anonymous No.17899010
>>17898337
They aren't anon, China actually imports most of their rare earth elements from Africa and Russia
Anonymous No.17899091 >>17899419
>>17898942
I think thats a bit reductionist. Settling a debt and making a donation to charity have different moral implications, even if both are a net monetary loss
>>17899009
You conveniently left out the part where it was a punitive measure on the Spanish side, along with the added detail about cannibalism and infant sacrifice. Im sure that was an honest oversight, and definitely not an attempt at strawmanning
Anonymous No.17899419
>>17899091
More babies are sacrificed through abortions today than the Meshika ever did
Anonymous No.17899439 >>17899841
>>17898957
>skull racks
Speaking of which, the largest tzompantli ever found numbered something like 200 skulls. There's a direct quote from the codex florentino that claims they were sacrificing tens of thousands per week. In a stone angle society with primitive agriculture that probably couldn't sustain a population of more than 1 million.

Moorberians are such lying kikes.
Anonymous No.17899561
America pre-Cabraline era was just a godless shithole where children and slaves were constantly being sacrificed.
Anonymous No.17899841 >>17900410
>>17899439
>primitive agriculture that probably couldn't sustain a population of more than 1 million.
Retard.
Anonymous No.17900127 >>17900215
>>17897926 (OP)
Yes. Read Bataille
Anonymous No.17900215
>>17900127
They WERE that bad, read Bataille. Or They were not that bad, Read Bataille?
Bataille is one of the few people that would not shirk away from Meso-American sacrificial practices. He was great like that. I read History of the Eye, what is a good book to continue reading him?
Anonymous No.17900351 >>17900662
Who is "they"?

The Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan? Or their sacrifices specifically? Either way the answer is "No, they are not as bad as people make them out to be" but by how much differs

As an overall society, they're not particularly different from other Ancient or Medieval societies, especially other Mesoamerican ones. As seen in webm related (tho Moctezuma II should have Xiuhuitzolli, not a Quetzal headdress), most people eat meals with family, worked in farms or workshops, visited markets, and and bet on games, (see also desuarchive.org/his/thread/7617096/#7619771). Parents compared their children (who attended schools) to precious jewels and feathers, both in their value and fragility/need to be protected. You had merchants, artists, diplomats, doctors etc. There was a formal judicial system with courts and judges, aqueducts, bathes, and toilets. Nobles valued poetry, public speaking and botany, with lavish palace gardens etc. Sacrifice and cannibalism was merely one (thoan important) part of their religion, which in turn was just one aspect of their society

On a day to day basis most people were not thinking about or interacting with sacrifices, even priests were doing them more on a monthly (tho their months weren't quite the same as ours) then daily basis, and excavations suggest sacrifices were primarily a thing in city-states and capitals of kingdoms, less so in the towns and villages around them as dependences

Mexica rule over other states within the "Aztec Empire" was also pretty loose: Cortes got most of the allies he did against them not because of resentment towards the Mexica, but because they usually left existing kings in power and customs/laws in place, so subject states retained their own identity, agency, and ambitions, enabling opportunistic side switching or secession. Even places which repeatedly attempted to secede also weren't necessarily sacked/razed, which they did do sometimes but not particularly often in wars

1/?
Anonymous No.17900410 >>17900459 >>17900484 >>17900988
>>17899841
You really think Tenochtitlan and surrounding polities had population estimates that were even half of what Spanish sacrificial numbers imply? With a few beans and squash on a floating garden?

You're the only retard here. Mesoamerica was basically an early bronze age civilization. There is absolutely nothing that supports the idea that they had more than a million people tops, especially given what is known about population density of similarly primitive peoples in the old world.
Anonymous No.17900459
>>17900410
corn is a supercrop that can supply 3x the grain of wheat, barley, or rye per acre
Mesoamerica might have strayed behind Eurasia in metalworking but they had the best crops and had a huge population pre conquest
Anonymous No.17900484 >>17900487
>>17900410
No, those figures ar eobviousl exaggerated. You are still a retard though. But even the most extremely conservative estimates give the Mexica a population of over a Million.
>With a few beans and squash on a floating garden?
And Maize, you left out the biggest of the three sisters. Intentionally? Also most agriculture in Meso-America was not done in Chinampas.
>There is absolutely nothing that supports the idea that they had more than a million people tops, especially given what is known about population density of similarly primitive peoples in the old world.
Except, you know, literally all the population estimate studies that have been made. Even the most conservative go for five or seven million for all of Central America, Most of which was concentrated in Meso-America, obviously.
Anonymous No.17900487
>>17900484
For the record, I do know Chinampas were very important to agriculture of the Mexican Valley. But that's like one region.
Anonymous No.17900662 >>17900944 >>17902709
>>17900351
cont:

Conversely, Mexica society was highly classist: Commoners had little to no social mobility outside of via military commendations (which too was restricted over time) and MAYBE merchantry, with there being limits on what you could own (or at least publicly display) in terms of clothing goods etc based on class, alongside lesser rights. Even minor crimes could see you being executed, and they were also pretty prudish when it came to sex and nudiity, and women had less rights then men (though not to the same extent as in much of Europe at the time), and this is even in comparison to other Mesoamerican civilizations and even other Nahua/"culturally Aztec" cities, where we know commoners had some access to elite goods, queens could wield as much power as kings in some cases etc (or, perhaps it's more that the amount of attention Spain paid to the Mexica meant that our sources lean into framing them as more elitist and socially conservative because it would appeal more to Spanish views even if they weren't extra so)

And they did, in fact, sacrifice likely thousands of people a year (maybe as little as a few hundred, or as much as around 10,000), and did do ritual cannibalize some of their remains. Victims would mostly be captured enemy soldiers, but non-combatant slaves could be victims as well, as could children or disabled people be "volunteered" for sacrifices by their caretakers (tho often disabled people given away this way served ritual roles as seers or advisors, and would have been cared in that job prior to or instead of being sacrificed).

Lastly, even if they weren't especially administratively onerous rulers over other cities, towns, etc, they were still militaristic expansionists who made annual conquests the backbone of their political power/image and economics, and glorified being a soldier as the ideal that all boys and men should strive for (even if religious piety, intellectualism and being cultured, etc was also valued)

2/?
Anonymous No.17900918 >>17900923
>>17897926 (OP)
>Spaintards were just projecting
Spaniards were evil half-naked bronze age savages who engaged in cannibalism and human sacrifice?
Anonymous No.17900923 >>17900955
>>17900918
Catholics eat the literal body and blood of Christ every Sunday sooo.....
Anonymous No.17900944
>>17900662
NOT THE WOODEN COLLAR SLAVE.

Though I think it interesting giving over a slave or a captive to be sacrificed was a sure way of finding yourself good-will with the Gods.
Not as interest as the ritual recreation of Gods being sacrificed, but still interesting.
Anonymous No.17900951 >>17900954 >>17901537 >>17903583
Did Aztecs fuck kids? Because if not, then they weren't "that bad"
Anonymous No.17900954 >>17903583
>>17900951
Never. They were very sexually repressive in fact. And all pedoes would be BTFO to death.
Pakistani Bro No.17900955 >>17900961 >>17900965
>>17900923
Judeochristians cannibalize literal people too, search about a Romanian rebel in kingdom of Hungary who was skinned aline, burnt, mutilated and his pieces forced fed to his companions, this is the typical christian love, tolerance and behavior

The did the same to a Syrian village during crusades

Cannibalism and torture are common judeochristian traditions
Anonymous No.17900960 >>17900967 >>17902110
>You MAY cut the infants throat, skin and gut it
>You MAY NOT fuck it
Pakistani Bro No.17900961
>>17900955
Gheorge Doja was the name of the poor man
Anonymous No.17900965 >>17900977
>>17900955
>Render unto Ceasar
>Does not render unto Ceasar
Got what he deserved. Christ says mind your betters.
Anonymous No.17900967
>>17900960
Some people have standards, unlike YOU, PEDO.
Pakistani Bro No.17900977
>>17900965
His story proves the old saying

All history is nothing but class war
Anonymous No.17900988 >>17901537
>>17900410
>modern estimates for the Aztec empire's population range from 5 to 25 million
Anonymous No.17901537 >>17903583
>>17900951
They stoned faggots to death. I'm not kidding. Sodomy was a crime punishable by death. So was public intoxication.
>>17900988
What are these estimates based off of?
Anonymous No.17901545
>>17897926 (OP)
it was actually probably worse
Anonymous No.17902110
>>17900960
they believed the former benefits all, the latter only benefits a pedophile
Anonymous No.17902709
>>17900662
cont:

In short, as I said, I don't think the Mexica are especially, uniquely bad: They were maybe more classist and sexist and prudish then other Mesoamerican groups, but it's a difference of degrees, and not worse then how I understand much of Europe and parts of Asia were like in those respects at the time

They were absolutely conquerors, but compared to other big militaristic kingdoms or empires, they were not especially brutal in their campaigns nor were they particularly oppressive in how they ruled those places after the fact, both by Mesoamerican standards (the Classic Maya seems to have done total warfare/sacks more often, the Purepecha Empire did more hands on administration over conquered regions etc) and as I understand it Eurasian standards

They did more human sacrifice then probably any other society in history, but then you get into the question of if it's really any worse then other forms of religious killings (the Cathar purge or especially the Thirty Years War almost certainly killed more people each then the Mexica ever sacrificed), how much of Mexica sacrifices were a distinct total from general casualties of war, and religious killings in general are worse then other ones etc

But, like, they did still sacrifice people and did still wage tons of wars, so they're not "good" either

Also I forgot to talk about slavery (pic related and my last image make more sense for the opposite posts now): it was a notable part of Mexica society but in contrast to say the Romans or the US, it was not as big an institution, in that a lower percentage of Tenochtitlan's population were slaves (1-2%, IIRC), slaves were domestic servants rather then laborers, and slavery was, at least in theory, a non-permanent social status rather then a firm class: You could buy yourself out of (or sell yourself into) slavery, slaves could still own property, had a decent amount of rights, etc, tho there's debate about how much of that really worked in practice

3/?
Anonymous No.17903184 >>17903190
>>17897926 (OP)
they worshiped a guy called the flayed lord bro
Anonymous No.17903190 >>17903244
>>17903184
>that's different from my flayed lord because...it just is ok?!?!
Anonymous No.17903244 >>17903573 >>17903615
>>17903190
It's really kind of odd how vaguely, nebolously, synchronus Meso-American Mythos is with Christianity. Not much, just enough to raise an eyebrow if you are a schizo. You have:
>Divine self sacrifice
>Communion through consumption of Flesh.
>Self mortification, penance
It's just enough one may look like a parody of the other if you want it to be hard enough.
Anonymous No.17903303 >>17903312
>>17897959
>>17897950
>>17898332


They sacrificed mostly prisoners of war from enemies like Tlaxcala. Not "everyone" and not "especially babies". I don't see how it's different from killing your enemies on the battlefield.

>>17898605

This find actually is one of the best pieces of evidence to Cortes' claim of 4000 sacrifices a year, and against much of what the Spanish wrote about Aztec human sacrifice.

Mesoanon is right - The Aztecs were not that bad at the time. Just an average militaristic empire, I would say notably better than the european empires of the time
Anonymous No.17903312 >>17903318 >>17903339
>>17903303
The difference is huge. Killing on battlefield is one thing, but killing PoW is against geneva convention.
Anonymous No.17903318
>>17903312
the aztec empire wasn't a part of the geneva convention because it has been proposed over 300 years after it fell
Anonymous No.17903339
>>17903312
The Aztecs had some non-lethal weapons they used specifically for capturing sacrifices. If not for the sacrifice tradition, do you think they would have bothered? Conquest and war in the 1500s did not abide by the Geneva convention, no matter where you lived. Maybe you could be sold for a ransom if you were a rich knight in Europe, but your average man-at-arms or peasant militia would have just been killed on the field even when it wasn't necessary. The Aztecs were not unique in their warlike nature nor their killing of POWs
Anonymous No.17903573
>>17903244
The jews and aztecs both descend from the same group, although for the jews its only a minor amount of ancestry
Anonymous No.17903583 >>17903585
>17902709
cont:

>>17900951
>>17900954
>>17901537
Yes and no. Unmarried people having sex could be executed, and adultery was almost as bad and could result in similar punishments, but girls were sometimes married in their younger teens or preteens, some sources claim at times even younger, wheras men were usually married in their older teens or early 20s.

>>17897936
I don't think the culling thing makes sense. Yes, some disabled people were selected for sacrifices, but there were also sacrifices where only the most perfect, fit, wise etc people were selected. And yes, sacrifice was seen as a cosmic necessity, but it's naive to act like it wasn't leveraged by those in power for their own purposes.

>>17897959
I don't know what you're talking about with the pre 1400 stuff, that's nonsense. And for the stuff after, Butterfly wars weren't a thing. You're probably thinking of Flower Wars, but flower wars were not the only source of captured soldiers: normal wars had killing and focused on the military objective but captive taking was still done at times/when possible (and conversely, flower wars still had pragmatic geopolitical and military utility despite being ritualized and focused on captive taking, namely to wear down states for full conquest, as a way to dip your toes into a conflict without committing to full scale warfare, and to keep soldiers trained, fit and invested in taking captives/a military career even when there were no full scale wars)

The entropy comparison with a lack of sacrifices leading to cosmic disorder and decay is potentially iffy, tho not invalid. It makes sense within James Maffies teotl monism model but that has it's critics. Cannibalism being a way to make up for diety deficiencies is long debunked tho, especially if we're talking protein rather then fat. The Mesoamericans had enough nutrients provided there wasn't severe famine, and cannibalism wasn't done at large enough scales to make up for any potential deficiencies anyways.

4/?
Anonymous No.17903585 >>17904792
>>17903583
Is it true that Aztecs sacrificed 60000 slaves to greet Spanish?
Anonymous No.17903615 >>17903660
>17903583
cont:

really sick of this spam filter shit making me break links

>>17903244
>17903573
The Spanish themselves noted this and drew comparisons between some Mesoamerican religious concepts, ceremonies, and holidays and Christian ones. Some friars even thought that the Mesoamericans were a lost tribe of Israel that had their Abrahamic religion corrupted over time, that Quetzalcoatl was Saint Thomas (see pic), etc.. Of course the similarities/comparison were used (or may have been exaggerated) to convert people.

>>17898058
>>17898074
>>17898957
You're both wrong and right.

As I say in >17900662 and >17902709, The Mexica of Tenochtitlan were "bullies" in that they were militaristic conquerors. However, they were also hands off and mostly left local kings, laws, customs etc. But, that also doesn't mean they didn't leverage their economic and political influence to pressure states or kings into doing what they wanted even if they didn't directly govern them.

I think calling them "bullies" is fair, if perhaps misleading in how it renforces people's misconceptions of them being oppressive tyrants when they weren't. >>17898074 is right that states allying with Cortes against the Mexica was mostly states opportunistically turning on them rather then having resentment towards Mexica rule, but say Tlaxcala really did probably resent the Mexica (even if they also used Cortes to gain political power over other states like Cholula), and I would say that most of the allies who were primarily opportunistic didn't even "hate the [Mexica] for being on top", in fact a lot of them like Texcoco, Xochimilco, Chalco etc likely benefitted from Mexica conquests and supremacy since they had close political ties to them and shared their valley and therefore some tax income.

5/?
Anonymous No.17903660
>>17903615
Tbh I'm not sure a lot of similarities were exaggerated/lots of differences glossed over while attempting to promote conversion. If you want to go really far out, you may allege the whole Virgin of Guadalupe story may have been a fabrication.
Anonymous No.17904792 >>17905043
>17903615
>>17898058
>>17898074
>>17898957
cont:

For most of them allying with Cortes was probably mostly that Moctezuma II was dead and smallpox had ravaged the city and they weren't sure that they'd be in a good position even if Cortes and the Tlaxcalteca were beaten, so they felt they had more to gain and less to lose by stamping Tenochtitlan out while it was vulnerable and to try to angle to retain or gain status within whatever new regime popped up for having helped put it in place. Tho, again, the specifics differ: Ixtlixochitl II wanted to take the throne in Texcoco (and indeed, not all of Texcoco sided with Cortes, some stayed loyal), Chalco may have had some lingering grudges against the Mexica (tho I doubt it was a main factor), Xochimilco stayed loyal and had to be forced to defect etc

Also there were no "tribes", these were city-states and had been for millenia, see pic

>>17903585
No, I can't recall Cortes, Diaz, etc saying anything like that nor can I think if of any secondary sources mentioning anything of the sort. It's always possible I'm missing something and I haven't looked into this claim in particular before so I won't authoriatively say it's wrong, but i'm like 98% sure it's bullshit

>>17898685
see
>17903583

6/?
Anonymous No.17905043 >>17905116
>>17904792
Are you the same guy who was posting this stuff on /v/ several weeks ago?
Anonymous No.17905116
>>17905043
It's him. He's great.