Thread 17898524

wasn't he the guy that betrayed the south preceding but also facilitating civil rights?

>>17898524 (OP)
that depends on your views regarding pragmatism.

>>17898524 (OP)
Oh certainly evil.
Sure he accomplished some great things, but make no mistake. He was an utter bastard.

He used blackmail and entrapment to get much of his agenda passed through congress, he opened up a brothel in DC so he could secretly film senators and representatives having affairs.
He would personally intimidate and threaten people who were opposed to him.

I think the best example though is the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel.
In brief to those not aware, to sure up American support for Israel during one of their many wars with the Arab world, they tried to stage a false-flag attack on the American spy ship the USS Liberty. They wanted to sick it, kill everyone aboard and then blame it on their enemies. It didn't take, the ship and many of its crew survived.

But when LBJ was told about it, he said that he didn't want to embarrass America's ally, and ordered to allow the whole ship and all of its American crew to die.

Lyndon Johnson was a fucking moron

>>17898524 (OP)
Like >>17898534 said. He was an extreme pragmatist. His dad, grandpa, great grandpa (or maybe grand uncle can’t remember) were idealist who unbendingly supported their causes even if it was a losing battle. It brought them great respect from their peers but then one bad break or decision and then we’re back to penniless dirt farmers in shithole Texas.
Having grown up in that LBJ took the path of what is the best possible outcome for him personally, politically, etc.
To what degree he actually cared about things like civil rights, I’m not sure. But early in his political career it didn’t matter if he supported it not. It wasn’t going to pass in the 1940s/50s. But supporting his fellow southern politicians was huge for his career. So he did that. Later when he had more power and there was a chance to pass some small civil rights bills it was to his benefit to get them passed (and hurt him to not have it pass) so he used his power to get it passed. When he was president it was good politically and he had the power to pass strong bills. So he did.
He just fucked up vietnam, which to be fair, I think any president would have because it seemed like an easy win for any president that turned into a shitshow.

>*Pragmatically destroys all US cities*
>*pragmatically destroys military and civic morale forever*
>*sucks on jewish penis*
heh, nothing personal

Resident unironic LBJfag reporting in. He was morally good, without a doubt. Cry all you want about *how* he got things done, what he attempted to do and got done was all for the betterment of this shithole country.

>>17898959
>da jooz peepee
Holy projection, schizotard

I think he was middle the road. Probably closer to good. Pretty sure he helped create the emergency number 9-1-1.

>>17898985
Uh... *raises hand* senpai, how did staging a false flag attack to get the US involved in a disastrous war (that they ultimately lost) better the country, exactly?

>>17898985
You're oblivious. Death to every LBJfag who is unaware of the USS Liberty

>>17898524 (OP)
He helped ge the U.S. in Vietnam so evil

>>17899092
>staging a false
>staging
0/10 you're gonna have to do better than that to bait me, faggot
But to throw you a bone out of pity, Congress approved the Tonkin Resolution and could have at any point repealed it but they didn't.

>>17899122
>d-d-da joooooz
Take your meds faggot

>>17898524 (OP)
>Penis-obsessed Jew who larps as a cowboy
I'm going with evil

>>17899189
Who was president when the USS Liberty was attacked? It's a simple question

>>17898524 (OP)
He is like an evil mastermind glowie supreme

>>17898524 (OP)
morally evil

>>17899217
don't forget the helen-celler act which he proudly signed

>>17898524 (OP)
meh he was alright

>>17899237
War Boston died in 2008 and served in the Second World War. Why did Fox publish his testimony regarding an event he wasn't even directly involved with nearly 10 years after he died?

>>17898524 (OP)
We had a sharp, pragmatic man.

>>17899217
Why are you such a massive retard?
It's a simple question

>>17899326
are (you) disputing any of the facts?
1/2

>>17899326
>>17900694
2/2
read vile subhuman

>>17900694
>>17900701
>Writing in USA Today, Darrell Delamaide has described Roberts as a "conspiracy theorist",[25] a charge echoed by Luke Brinker of Salon, and Michael C. Moynihan of The Daily Beast, who has also described him as partaking in "Putin worship".[34][35] Roberts has rejected the label and, in turn, described Jonathan Chait and Amy Knight as conspiracy theorists.[36]
>Roberts has described himself as a "9/11 skeptic" and spoken at 9/11 Truth movement events.[33][37][38][19] Regarding the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Roberts has written that "all evidence pointed to a plot by the Joint Chiefs, CIA, and Secret Service whose right-wing leaders had concluded that President Kennedy was too 'soft on communism'".[39] He has also stated that the Charlie Hebdo shooting has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation" motivated in part “to stifle the growing European sympathy for the Palestinians and to realign Europe with Israel”.[37][40] The Washington Post noted that in 2014 Roberts speculated on his blog that Ebola originated as a US bioweapon and this was picked up by North Korea's state media.[41]
>In 2019, Roberts wrote in support of the views of Holocaust denier David Irving, asserting that "Irving, without any doubt the best historian of the European part of World War II, learned at his great expense that challenging myths does not go unpunished... I will avoid the story of how this came to be, but, yes, you guessed it, it was the Zionists".[42] Roberts added that "No German plans, or orders from Hitler, or from Himmler or anyone else have ever been found for an organized holocaust by gas and cremation of Jews... The "death camps" were in fact work camps. Auschwitz, for example, today a Holocaust museum, was the site of Germany's essential artificial rubber factory. Germany was desperate for a work force."[42]
Got any credible sources?

>>17898524 (OP)
Chaotic Neutral

>>17898524 (OP)
>civil rights acts
Based
>false flag to enter a retarded war of attrition while propping up retards that were somehow more incompetent than commies
Cringe

>>17898524 (OP)
Morally evil.

>>17898524 (OP)
wasn't he the don of the texas mafia? is that good?

>>17898524 (OP)
Good. He helped more people than he harmed and he genuinely wept over the casualties in Vietnam. LBJ was too good for us

>>17900718
Holy shit this dude made a career out of being wrong lol

>>17898524 (OP)
Open borders + welfare gibs (he even beat up head of the Federal Reserve to.get lower interest rates)
He was also obsessed with comparing penises at the urinal

>>17898524 (OP)
It was about when American clearly succumbed to libshitism.

>>17902215
>he even beat up head of the Federal Reserve to.get lower interest rates
Trumpfags probably wish he was half unhinged like that.

>>17900718
>ad hominem
not very bright, are (you)?

>>17898524 (OP)
>still believes in objective black and white evil.
it's neither objective nor binary.

>>17902306
That's not what an ad hominem is, his character was never attacked as a means to move any goalposts, actual evidence was used to call his credibility into question. But I'm sure you knew this and aren't here in good faith.

>>17902306
Mein Kampf doesn't talk much about immigration, because it was not really a thing (of non Europeans to Europe) on large scall back then. Not sure what this xitterman talks about.

>>17902306
The "thesis" of Mein Kampf is literally hundreds of pages of Hitler having a tard crashout while sitting in a prison cell seething endlessly about Jews and Soviets

>>17899189
Ummm... senpai, why did they approve the Tonkin Resolution? Was it because of faulty information propagated by the Johnson administration? Why would they lie like that? Doesn't seem very kawaii?

>>17898524 (OP)
Depends, do you think prolonging the vietnam war and using it to enrich himself is morally good?

>>17902318
I'm not sure what you're taking issue with. The Moorer Report is a real thing that exists and the article appears to quote it accurately. "The guy quoting this report is disliked and called a conspiracy theorist by journalists" is not a foolproof argument.

There times when conspiracy theorists are correct and respected journalists are lying (the Iraq War being one of the more disastrous recent examples).

>>17898810
2bh visiting a brothel in any capital city as a legislator seems like you're just asking to be blackmailed

>>17902699
The problem with the The Moorer Report is that it's not conclusive, since it was an independent report compiled over 30 years after the incident. Why should I treat it as conclusive evidence of anything? That would be a proof by example fallacy. Am I supposed to take it seriously because some retired Admiral was involved? Appeal to Authority Fallacy. Do better anon

>>17898524 (OP)
There was virtually nothing moral about him. To be clear, morality isn't necessary for being a successful politician, nor even a good one (Jefferson was evil in his political dealings but a GOAT), but LBJ was pure evil.

>>17902668
>never revoked it
Simple as.

>>17903572
Well, technically they did, but many years later under Nixon after it was clear the war was a disaster. Kinda crazy that Nixon gets all the blame for a war he inherited and was bungled into by his predecessor.

>>17903157
>Why should I treat it as conclusive evidence of anything?

If by conclusive evidence you mean explicit documents authored by the Israelis detailing their plans to stage a false flag attack, I don't think anything like that is forthcoming (if they ever existed). Under that kind of burden of proof it's hard to state anything conclusively.

>>17903801
>Kinda crazy that LBJ gets all the blame for a war he inherited and was bungled into by his predecessor.
ftfy
Nobody even blames Nixon for the war. They blame him for dragging it the fuck out.

>>17898985
Pretty much this. Sure he did some shifty, shitty stuff, but it worked and he did a lot of good. Being mean to some Dixiecrats isn’t even a bad thing to do. Someone has to smack them around every now and again.

>>17898524 (OP)
Morally evil. He had the survivors of the USS Liberty threatened and covered up for Israel.

>>17903938
>it worked
blacks still have 0 generational wealth because they all live on welfare and rent

>>17904519
Shaquille O'Neal lives on welfare?

>>17904529
>black people are poor as fuck, live in ghettos, have no future and no culture, civil rights didn't do anything
>yeah but niggerball

>>17898985
If not for Vietnam LBJ would be considered one of the best US presidents easily. Even with it he's still the best post WW2 president.

>>17904778
Based
The last Sienna poll of historians in 2021 had him in 11th place but google is telling me he broke into the top 10 in '22. Best to start investing in LBJ stocks immediately

>>17904536
>they had all those things before civil rights when whitey would lynch them for sitting on the wrong seat on the bus
Tell me you're a mouth-breather without telling me

>>17902323
read it again jude

>>17902320
Hitler knew which way thigs were headed
jews simply can't be trusted as history has proved time and again
you're on this board, you should be familiar with all the progroms and expulsions

>>17904848
>civil rights worked because of some bullshit atrocity scenario where niggers were being fed to alligators before it passed
lets be real here, civil rights did absolutely nothing and was a political ploy to legalize tens of millions of illegal aliens in the US

>>17906087
>some bullshit atrocity scenario where niggers were being fed to alligators before it passed
What the actual fuck are you screeching about you retard
>legalizing muh illegals
That was Reagan you stupid fuckwad. You're too low-IQ to even know what you're talking about