Thread 17899893

One this is just dumb are you Chinese or some Papuan ooga booga? Two all of your medieval and modern ancestors would (understandably) think you are retarded and demonically possessed, while your ancient pagan ancestors would also be very confused and probably think you're some kind of evil spirit if they ever met you. You aren't connecting with shit this is just retarded. Also the majority of "MUH ANCESTORS" weren't Christians correct, but they also weren't pagans in the conventional sense - they were animist and pre-religious cavemen and hominids who you aren't going to spiritually reconnect with by pretending to worship Odin.
Also before you accuse me I'm not a Tradcath (they're dumb and annoying) and I don't like Christianity's history of violent sectarianism. If I wanted to reconnect with the faith of "MUH ANCESTORS" from the last few centuries then I'd be Calvinist except this is not how I approach anything to begin with and I think Calvinism is gay & retarded (however much I support MUH ANCESTORS and feel for their struggle during their wars against the French and Habsburgs).

>>17899893 (OP)
>be a rootless mutt
pass

>>17899902
This is determined by your lived experience, particularly your childhood, and parents. Not by whatever you LARP on the internet as.

>>17899893 (OP)

Based. Pagan "gods" are demons regardless.

>>17899906
Also random stone age tribesmen who chuds foam at the mouth about and want to genocide so bad are the most rooted people on Earth. Just look at the Sentinelese!

>>17899913
Who is the father of demons?

>>17899916

Satan. God and Satan are 2 different eternal beings.

>>17899918
Who is the father of satan?

>>17899919

He doesn't have a father. God and Satan are 2 uncreated, independent beings that have existed eternally and are negatives of eachother.

>>17899893 (OP)
I am a verminist because my ancestors spent millions of years being worms. I crawl through mud as a way to honor their memory.

>>17899925
Powerful

>>17899921
They should bring back the Inquisition to LATAM so they can burn you at the stake.

neopaganism is fine so long as you recognize it as larp. it is extremely funny to use pagan analogies to supplement racism and antisemitism while convincing others you genuinely believe in these myths.

>>17899893 (OP)
Why are you like this? Who hurt you this badly to make you lash out?

>>17899950
"We should be X because MUH ANCESTORS did something two thousand years ago" is a fringe position outside of 4chan. Especially among white people.

>>17899950

I'm pretty sure that only makes sense when you say it to a pagan.

>>17899893 (OP)
>Two all of
O algo

>>17899893 (OP)
Odin Worship in Scandinavia, in real life, only lasted around 500 years. In all but the most extreme cases and isolated regions, Germans and Scandinavian pagans have a longer history of Christianity than they do of Germanic paganism as they know it. Christ is a more traditional germanic and Scandinavian god than Odin of Thor or Freya or any other diety who was worshipped for only a few generations.

>>17899913
You are shinto. You literally have 8 million gods.

>>17899960
Do you expect me to use commas or something? Anyway I don't like Mexicans like yourself.

>>17899964

NO DUMBASS. I'm a ROMAN CATHOLIC.

Whenever I say I'm Shinto that's a demon making me say it.

>>17899966
Your race is demonic because they are brown and 4'10.

Yeah, Paganism today is pretty stupid. The whole 'multiple Gods' and 'dualistic cosmology' thing is a lot more out-there than any Abrahamic religion.

>>17899972

What is my race? Do you even know?

>>17899974
Spic or SEAmonkey, so gross either way.

>>17899975

And where did you get that one from? Have I given any information on my race that you know of? I mean, you're sorta right. Hispanic + N&C Asian.

>>17899976
Yeah nobody here is white anymore hence why this site is dogshit I'm so tired of you things. And yes you have.

>>17899906
>lived experience
Rootless mutts are jealous of everyone that isn't and wish everyone had to be like them. It's a stupid, destructive, and selfish view that shouldn't be encouraged.

>>17900008
Define "rootless"

>>17899925
I kneel

>>17900014
Mutts are by definition rootless. That is why race mixing is terrible, it destroys the people's who engage in it.

>>17900017
I'm not talking about racemixing I'm talking about what this means among white people

>>17900014
Mutts are by definition rootless. That is why race mixing is terrible, it destroys the peoples who engage in it.

>>17900023
>>17900022

>>17900022
I defined it how it is defined, not as you wish it were

>>17900032
If the definition of rootless is "being mixed race" then most Americans (especially in the interior) and almost all Europeans are overwhelmingly "rooted." This would also have nothing to do with religious identity or politics.

>>17900037
Why should it have anything else but to do with hereditary fidelity?

>>17900039
This word is meaningless and irrelevant. What would religion have to do with rootlessness? Why not just directly use racial terms?

>>17900043
The homogeneously Northern European Puritans of New England, some of the most fanatic Christians ever who even liked to LARP as Jews from the Old Testament (which most Christians historically didn't particularly care to do) would be less rootless by definition than a pagan Roman Italian or a neopagan Italian.

>>17900043
When did I imply religion was involved?

>>17900053
>>17899902

>>17900048
You should be aware that supercessionism is a fundamental aspect of all christianity, except modern day evangelicalism.

>>17900055
That doesn't imply religion is involved

>>17900058
Yes most Christians historically "LARPed" as Ancient Jews and Ancient Greeks/Romans but not in a very historical or "culturally connected" sense.

>>17900061
Yes it does. Also what do you think the pagan Roman/Greek-dominated Mediterranean was like in the 1st century BC?

>>17900062
Your framing is incorrect. The covenant people are now defined correctly under the Christian interpretation of israel. Jews hold an incorrect and outdated definition to be correct. Christians do not "larp" as jews, they are the beneficiaries of being included in what was always the right definition.

>>17900065
No, it doesn't. My posts, none of them, have suggested religion is or ought to be associated with the definition of rootlessness.

>>17899906
My dad is an atheist. My grandfather is an agnostic. P sure nobody in my family (who's still alive) except for my maternal grandmother is devoutly religious.

>>17900533
Me neither which is why Neopaganism and its comparable trad Christian forms are silly

>>17899893 (OP)
You don't get it because you don't have certain feelings towards your own ethnicity mixed with spirituality.
As someone who is not neopagan but is favorable to them I can get where they come from, and it's that identification with your ethnicity, "tribe" mixed with the need for spirituality.
That's if you go for reconstructionist or similar pagans, at least.

>>17899893 (OP)
>muh ancestors
ick
>jews' ancestors
zased

>>17899964
He lied when he said he was Shinto.

>animism
fake religion invented by anthropologists so they could pretend they discovered something new in science articles. what they call animism is literally just prehistoric paganism. 'pre-religious' doesnt mean anything, again you resort to the pseudointellectual theories of anthropologists who dont even believe in God, and know very little of the subject matter they purport to study anyways. these are the same people who tried to claim that a caveman was trans because he was buried with a spoon
>my ancestors were CALVINISTS!
lmao, explains alot

>>17899964
>>17901422
he is such a compulsive liar that I can only assume he is a jew trying to set shintos and christians against each other by larping as both and being as annoying as possible at all times for whatever autistic jewish reason

>>17901418
OP addresses e christian trads too
>>17901424
Tell me you’re Hispanic without telling me you’re Hispanic

>>17901444
because I dont like calvinism I'm hispanic? go and be a fence sitter somewhere else OP. also its really obvious when these type of shill posts try to top it off with 'btw im not a tradcath', that you are indeed a tradcath

>>17901446
Neopaganism and traditional Catholicism are stupid plus you are nonwhite.

>>17901450
why dont you tell us your religious creed then O wise and whitest one?

>>17901457
I’m not going to write an essay on a basket weaving forum populated by third and second worlders (or their diaspora) so no

>>17901463
>asks a very simple question; 'what is your creed'?
>'I'm not writing an essay for you!'
if your religion isnt worth preaching to the masses then its hardly a religion worth boasting about is it? its less a religion and more a flimsy little half-baked thought you had in your head one day, isnt it? and you want others to abandon their creeds, which have been inherited from millenia of successive worship? why should I abandon the cults of Wotan and Mercury and the Sun in favor of your gay little 'religion' that you can even bother to explain? get real, dilate, cope, seethe even. delete this thread if you can to save yourself further embarrassment

>>17899893 (OP)
The difference is that European Pagans have a lot of reasons to be proud of their ancestors. The basis of modern civilization was created by Indo-European polytheists.
Abrahamic monotheists hate the concept of veneration of ancestry primarily because their ancestors haven't done anything of note. Other then nonsensical religious ramblings, their people literally haven't made any independent cultural or scientific achievements until Greeks and Romans colonized them and introduced them to civilization.

>>17901479
Not reading all of that and truth is not contingent on human opinions whether in past or present

>>17901497
What if you’re not a Shitalian or Gayreek thoughbeit

>>17901502
>'im not reading all of that!'
>replies with an answer that shows he read it anyways
im pretty sure you can get the jannies to delete the thread if you ask nice

>>17901497
Abrahamic monotheists is too broad, there those who's ancestors were hunter gathers or simple farmers in Africa. But then you have middle east, Egypt, Greece and Italy who built much before monotheism but also much afterwards.
Or are you speaking of Judeans in specific?

That said yes, I am sometimes annoyed when I see, even some professional historians (biased tho) diss paganism, when it was built on polytheistic cultures that were already advanced.

>>17901512
*when it was
Monotheism, that is.

>>17901507
gayreeks claimed multiple times that the arts of astronomy and philosophy had been invented by the barbarians to the north, namely the celts and scythians, who were the oldest aryan groups in europe. when that anon said that indo-european polytheists laid the foundation of modern civilization he probably didnt mean the greeks, but early, as in the actual indo-europeans before they had named tribes and nations, who conquered most of the old world under chariot wheel

>>17899893 (OP)
most Neopagans are just faggot larpers and they do it because is a trend also the fact that the biggest religions have been rotten to the core for years now didn't help either and the few ones who actually are Neopagan are obnoxious faggots in the same lime as mudslimes who claim that their god is the true one

looking for your roots is fine just don't be retard

>>17899893 (OP)
>wow, if pagans said this thing they don’t say, that would be pretty silly, huh?
Anon discovers what a strawman is
Pagans talk about ancestors because their ancestors were part of a blood covenant with the old gods. The significance of ancestral worship has quite literally nothing to do with the strawman of “I have to worship what my ancestors worshipped because I just have to, ok??” that only Christians ever mention

>>17901881
>covenant
that is not a thing in IE religions, the concept of covenant comes directly from judaism and you are pushing this because the only religion you know is christianity and are trying to force what is left from pre-christian culture into the jewish mold you know and crave

>>17902312
>HAHAHA YOU USED A JEW WORD SO YOU MUST ALSO HAVE A JEW BRAIN
you're speaking a pagan germanic language so you must think of religion solely in terms of germanic paganism. Awful fucking argumentation on this whole board.
White germanic pagans believed that they were uniquely descended from the Aesir, thus they would have had a closer bond and connection with them than foreigners. That's all a covenant is.

>>17902398

Gods? No, demons. And the only ones descended from demons were the Nephilim, and they got flood'd by God.

>>17902400

Pagan gods are literal demons.

>>17902400
Are you ever not on this board?

>>17902411
only when he's browsing the blacked thread on /gif/

>>17899961
false btw your ancestors were pagans for 10,000 or more years before the Christian era

>>17902436

And cannibalistic, pedophilic, human sacrificial, illiterate, etc. Weirdly Christianity made all that vanish.

>>17899893 (OP)
You are only slightly better than a pagan. You still never build community.

There is no atheist church, there are no atheist shared beliefs, there are no atheist festivals nor holidays. Atheism only takes what Christianity provides. Only improvement from paganism is that it's at least not a larp.

>>17902436
Pick a god from the eddas and tell me which one is the oldest. Then contrast that with European Christianity and get ready for a shock.

You can't larp as a pagan to a deity you don't even know the name of. Even the later germanic deities with do have the names of have very little detail and only sparse religious practices documented, if any were documented at all.

>>17902690
Odin is however old the PIE sky-father figure is, and Thor is however old the PIE striker figure is, and analogs for both of these archetypal figures can be found in the rigveda, which is ~3.5k years old, so Thor and Odin are at least that old.

>>17902700

Why the camel nuts are we talking about pie? Did /his/ turn into /baking/ all of a sudden? No, I'm serious. WHAT THE FUCK DOES PIE STAND FOR?

>>17899921
What is this crypto-Zoroastrian heresy?

>>17899961
there are far older attestations of Odin and equivalents to him, like Wotan, Woden, Godan and so on in continental germanic history. there is no reason to believe the northern germanics were different

>>17902441
simon, you are addicted to tranny nigger porn first of all. secondly pedohilia was banned by death in germania according to tacitus, it was not under christian law

>>17902950

>addicted to tranny nigger porn

Source? Any proof?

>TAS UH TITS

Tacitus isn't reliable.

>>17902954
the whole board knows you are a tranny cuck simon, i dont need to dig up proof. its TAK E TUS btw, and he is also one of the only sources outside of the bible that speaks of the historical proof of jesus. are you sure you want to call him unreliable? oh wait, youre not really christian arent you? youre shinto? oh wait, youre not really shinto youre.....(((whatever))) you are

>>17902398
No retard, their surviving myths are clear that all humans are descended from Ask and Embla
And if you about the one Heimdall has sons with different women you are also wrong because that one is about the origin of the social classes and the nordic people recognized foreigners in those classes

>That's all a covenant is
No, a covenant is a pact
a contract explicit make between two parts

Either you know of your religion is what /pol/ and stormfags told you or you are going politics first and trying to force medieval myths into the mold and create your judaism for whites with all the thing you envy jews having on their faith and you don't

>>17902968
>their surviving myths are clear that all humans are descended from Ask and Embla
only whites are humans. you are clearly pretty illiterate on this subject matter.
>le rigsthula is about social classes!
yeah, and it describes the noble class as fair, pale, blue eyed and blond haired, and the thrall class as swarthy, with dull eyes and black hair. nothing racial about that at all, its just about social class. you sound like jeet coping over the definition of 'varna'. it is not vedic saar! it was introduced with british colonialism saar! aryan invasion are not real saaaar!

>>17902968
All humans are descended from Askr and Embla, which is a metaphor for humans being crafted by the gods out of wood (Ask and Embla means oak and ash, respectively)
But only Germanic characters in the sagas are ever identified as being descended from Odin or Freyr or any other one of the gods. If you don’t believe me, you can literally Google the genealogy of various mythical heroes, and it will tell you which god their family descends from.
>create your judaism for whites
I don’t know why you want me to want this so desperately. Germanic heathenism is a universalist religion. It’s for everyone. White germanics simply have primacy in the faith as they are the closest to the gods. But that being the case we still see, in the Sagas and historical record, the Aesir being brought to the Lapps and Slavs by the Norse.

>>17902968
>And if you about the one Heimdall has sons with different women you are also wrong because that one is about the origin of the social classes and the nordic people recognized foreigners in those classes
Rigsthula is an allegory for Odin creating a tiered caste system, because castes are an ordered system, and Odin is the progenitor of order in the cosmos.
Are we still at the stage where pseuds on the internet will read a poem and insist it must be exactly true as written? That said, saying that you "read the poems" is a bit generous considering you clearly are just skimming wikipedia articles.