Thread 17901307

I'll admit I'm cretinously ignorant on this topic so sorry if a basic knowledge of these countries would answer the question, but:

Why did pan-Latinism never take off seriously as a political movement? Pan-Germanism and pan-Slavism were powerful forces in the 20th century.

>Pan germanism
????

>>17901322
...yes?

>>17901307 (OP)
When you read French writers of modernity, you notice two things:

-After getting mocked by German and British writers who called them obscurantist wackward catholics the French thinkers (Voltaire, Descartes, Montesquieu, Morvilliers, etc.) vented all the butthurt Germans and British caused by saying the same about their southern neighbours with the exception perhaps of some Italian cities they associated with high culture and Renaissance.

-French were all the way into late XIX century pan-germanist anti-catholic philo-protestants until they got their asses kicked by Germans and British who never accepted them at all in the Germanhood. Germans even built after Franco-Prussian war a massive ass statue of Arminius with his sword pointing to France. So after Franco-Prussian war they went all pan-Latinists to justify interventions in Italy, Spain and Iberian America, also to cope with the butthurt German and British nationalist romanticist speechs mocking of them as some short of effeminate nation in the full golden age of Germany and England caused them.

So you can get than for an Italian, a Portuguese, an Spaniard or even a LatinX if you get linguistic pan-Latinism, the whole construct of a pan-Latin identity seems artificial, convenient and circumstantial.

>>17901339
>So after Franco-Prussian war they went all pan-Latinists to justify interventions in Italy, Spain and Iberian America, also to cope with the butthurt German and British nationalist romanticist speechs mocking of them as some short of effeminate nation in the full golden age of Germany and England caused them.
Yes that's precisely why such an alliance with France is doomed to fail, they will instantly try to make the union about themselves and their own interests to the detriment of the other two
An union of these countries with Greece makes more sense from a cultural and geopolitical perspective than with France.

>>17901307 (OP)
France and Spain created their own Francophone and Hispanophone worlds, while Italy has its own rich Renaissance culture and has no urge to unite with anyone.

Besides, France isn't really Latin. The French associate themselves with the Celts rather than the Romans.

>>17901390
The French are Trojans, like the British and the Romans.

>>17901307 (OP)
Pan-Germanism and Pan-Slavism emerged as a response to the reality of German and Slavic people who remained disjoined, scattered and divided into numerous statelets and empires, and so, unification was seen as a way to protect them.

Meanwhile, the Romance speaking countries, save Italy and Romania, were already strong states with their own established national identity, and free from foreign subjugation

>>17901307 (OP)
why did you color out romania?

>>17901307 (OP)
The European Latin Countries were all reasonably within the power-scale of the other. There was no Nation that was undisputably over the rest in importance, power, etc.
Pan-germanism commonly focuses on the idea of Germany leading it's sister nations in Scandinavia/Benelux while Pan-slavism is basically just Russia+ and always has been. France gets close but could get reined in by the other three if they co-operate. Without this hegemonic factor. There is no reason for any state to push it. Plus, if such a union were to be seriously considered, the... new worlders would immediately want in.

I still made a Pan-Latin Alternate history map, though. I can post it if anyone wants.
Basically just the Territories of L'union. I wanted to make a sequel that was the 'other' Latin union, the non-european one.

>>17901411
I didn't make the map but tbf Romania is not contiguous with the others

>>17901412
>I still made a Pan-Latin Alternate history map, though. I can post it if anyone wants.
Please do!

>>17901425
Not very good. But it's supposed to be France, Associates, and it's overseas remains of an empire.

>>17901431
Shit guess I should also post a legend.
>V. Dark blue: The Union itself. Including incorporated colonies.
>Belgium: Special observer status.
>Europe except Switzerland, Sweden: Members of the European Cooperation Association
>Switzerland, Sweden: European Common market members only.
>UK: Close ally, Trans-Oceanic Concord member.
>North America, Thailand, Bangladesh: Other Trans-oceanic concord; Like NATO and SEATO but incorporated into one thing.
>African blue: Franc-afrique.

Kind of a stupid ideology, really. The Latinic languages are so diverse in some aspects, it really just makes no sense to unite them.

>>17901307 (OP)

Pan-Latinism never will work. But picrel will.

>>17902810
French and Spanish are further away than Croatian to Russian

>>17901307 (OP)
Spain has many independent movements
Italy is a fictional country
France is a fictional country
EU is a complete meme

What makes you think they would wanna stay together as one?

>>17901307 (OP)
Pan-Germanism worked because the post-HRE German states all used New High German as their state language. The Latin countries have their own languages with long literary traditions that they're not going to give up.

>pan-Slavism
Failed every time it was tried because Slavic nations are too different from each other and don't get on well.

>>17901307 (OP)
Unlikely considering Spain, France and Italy are all fake nations with people who hate each other within them, if you can't convince them to unite as it is how will you even convince them over a meme language group? It's like proposing Poles and Russians become one nation

Bretons hate Gascons and Occitans, Lombards hate Neapolitans, Catalans hate Andalusians

I have to wonder at what kind of brain damage people have who think France has any ethnic or cultural connection to Spain and Italy. The French language is influenced by Latin, this does not make France a "brother nation" to Spain or Italy. Which is why France has for the last 1000 years fought wars against Spain and Italy, only deciding in the last 150 or so years that it no longer wants to rule over all of western Europe.

>>17903506
Neither of the three have anything to do with each other, in fact even inside those countries there are still races who hate each other like Lombards x Neapolitans

>>17901339
I find it hilarious how there are always insecure little bitches complaining about the south
in portugal, spain, france, italy, the uk, ireland. do they do it in germany? belgium? the netherlands? greece? I'm sure the macedonians bitch about athens
then in europe as a whole
kek
not in the world as a whole, though. the northern hemisphere doesn't have an inferiority complex about africa or south america

>>17901307 (OP)
Luxembourg???

>>17903989
You mean northern Portugal?

>>17902812

THIS.

>>17901339
The French interventions in Italy, Spain, and Latin America all predate the Franco-Prussian War