Thread 17901426

Do we not have a generation (mostly young men) who are actually interested in correct history? Instead, we have egomaniacs who deliberately misrepresent history?

>>17901426 (OP)
>stop thinking wrong, goy
Pass

>>17901426 (OP)
No, she's a dumb libtard that doesn't understand history nor thoughts.

>>17901426 (OP)
They aren't interested in history. Most of them are brainwashed retards spending most of their time on twitter.
>men think about the Roman Empire every day
They don't. It's another idiotic meme.

>>17901426 (OP)
The Roman Empire was globalist, she's right

>>17901426 (OP)
All of the statements involved are too vague.

>>17901426 (OP)
This retarded bitch got a "doctorate" so she could feel like she has the power to tell other people how to think then acts like people fantasizing about having power is wrong. An "egomaniac" is someone who devotes 10+ years of their life to try to gain the power to control other people's literal imagination.

>>17901426 (OP)
>It's mostly imagining what they'd do if they were in charge
No it's not. Does she have a doctorate in telepathy or what?

>>17901426 (OP)
It’s more accurate to say Rome was ethno-centric than nationalistic. Rome was diverse in demographics sure but unless you were Roman/latin, or Greek, you weren’t seen as an equal and the Romans pushed Roman culture onto everyone

Also Rome nowadays was either this fascist society or uber progressive depending on the political lense

The ethnonationalist claim is wrong as hell but not in a "ethnonationalism is bad" way, rather in a
>Rich and elite aristocrats have always leaned globalists who don't care about the ethnicity or nation they rule beyond how they can benefit the ruling class.

>>17901554
Culturally Roman/Latin, not ethnically. In the earliest of the empire they gave a shit but for the bulk of it all that mattered is you were opt-in Latin (or greek).

>>17901520
I think she has a point. I'm pretty sure all the contemporary monarchists support it for the sake of pretending every single one of their beliefs will be made law. They never talk, or even consider, about what they would do if the king issued a law that they disagreed with.

>>17901588
To be honest I like imagining what I would do if I was a monarch in the 18th-19th century but I still think monarchism is retarded

>>17901588
>I'm pretty sure all the contemporary monarchists support it for the sake of pretending every single one of their beliefs will be made law.
Most monarchists don't know that 99% of modern pretenders are just as liberals as the average politician they hate. They won't ever do something like banning gay marriages or forcing religious education

>ITT
The retard she's replying to proves her point for her.

>>17901597
Being a monarchist is only based if you imagine yourself as a charismatic figure that gets elected as a monarch through political or military victories. Any other than that is just wanting another gay ceremonial monarchy like the UK or Spain

>>17901426 (OP)
If the guy said every civilization was white supremacist instead this bitch wouldn't say a thing

>>17901554
>>17901577
>le ethnonationalist elites
>which spoke to each other in greek and thought that latin is for peasants

>>17901860
No? That's literally the claim nordicists make
You are imagining nonsense in your head to justify getting mad after being called out by her

>>17901860
the greco-roman world was brown supremacism, this continued throughout christianization despite it's message of universalism, only with the invading Arabaziers of islam destroying the mediterranean world order were the northern savages of any use to the greco-roman world, initially accepted through christian universalism the pasty plebs soon overtook their southern equivalents looting and enslaving them even cutting off their ties to their legit descendants dividing latin europeans from their identical latin americans by subjugating the brown under a "white" europe.

>>17901577
True, Rome was imperialistic state, with a certain nationalistic stamp to, that is needed for any state to exist.

>>17901927
That, my friend, is an example of the sort of doublethink that dominates modern leftist thought; either it's true or a crazy right-wing conspiracy depending on who says it and when. The great replacement is another example.

>NOOOO STOP THINKING ABOUT THE COOL STUFF, YOU JUST WANT TO BE EMPEROR AND BOSS PEOPLE AROUND YOU HECKIN' CHUD
literal karen looking for an excuse to be outraged

>>17901954
>The great replacement is another example.
That's even worse, because you don't need to make this into a conspiracy, it is just an observation of things happening.

>>17901429
>>17901432
>NOOOO My uneducated illogical opinion is just as valuable and valid as as trained historian!
Postmodernism was a mistake. Believe it or not but some things do have a single correct answer

>>17901426 (OP)
Most people have never been interested in "correct" history. And if her point is that most people who love Rome actually just love a fantasy they have constructed based on an elementary understanding of Roman history she is absolutely right.
If you were sent to a Roman city without being told you were time traveling, you would probably at first think you were in a third world city, but it would be worse since even the elite would not have access to even the rudiments of modern learning or technology.

>>17901426 (OP)
Most people dont know shit about Rome
99 % of men are retarded cucks anyway

>>17901426 (OP)
>men can't have a genuine interest in Roman history and culture
>no, they MUST be using it to live out their secret dictator fantasies
>women who think about Rome every day are okay though

I love how she uses the word "assuming" right at the end, because that's exactly what she's doing

Also, only egomaniacs use "Dr." in their Twitter handle, it's only there to show off to the inferior plebs that yes, she DOES had a Ph.D, and yes, that DOES make her better than you

>woman
no, probably not

>>17902119
To add to this: yes, the men who think about Roman history every day are probably going to occasionally imagine how they would do things differently if they were in charge of Rome, because literally everyone on planet Earth does that from time to time, whether it's for their own country, a country from the past or an entirely fictional country

"Dr." Laura Robinson probably imagines herself as president and goons to the thought of writing an executive order mandating that all prestigious and high-paid jobs must be at least 75% female (men can keep the shitty jobs though)

>>17901426 (OP)
>correct thoughts
People like this should have their rights stripped.

>>17901426 (OP)
History is literally a folk tale, why not paint that folk tale more beautiful?

>>17901426 (OP)

>Instead, we have egomaniacs who deliberately misrepresent history?

Yeah, we have a lot of those, but they are a minority and barely have any influence over people. I quite literally can't think of any example of such person your average /his/torian-to-be would be bothered by.

In other words: STFU.

>>17902195
>Yeah, we have a lot of those, but they are a minority and barely have any influence over people.
>Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI

Men don't think about being in charge of Rome, at least I don't. I dream of being Octavian's humble servant.

>>17902219

What does this even mean??

>>17902841
I'm saying that you're right, there are in fact a lot of egomaniacs who deliberately misrepresent history, especially on /his/, and in fact I'm talking to one right now (he's you, just in case I needed to spell that last part out for you)

>>17901963
>THE COOL STUFF,
yeah, the cool stuff like getting your land stolen by aristocrats because you were forced to fight a war on the other side of the world

>>17902119
>men can't have a genuine interest in Roman history and culture
that genuine interest starts and stops at military conquest
none of the marble statue pfp RETVRN retards have any idea of what roman life was like for anyone except the top 0.0001% of roman society

>>17901972
>trained historian
This is a way of gatekeeping criticism from the truth regime.
There is no legitimacy conferred by academic historiography over freelance historiography. In fact with academia becoming an arm of politics freelance history is much more likely to retain accuracy and respect for the sources.

>>17903236
Literally nothing is stopping you going to university and becoming a trained historian retard, anyone can do it. Is demanding people take a test and getting a driving license before they can drive by themselves also gatekeeping?
>In fact with academia becoming an arm of politics freelance history is much more likely to retain accuracy and respect for the sources.
I bet you have a whole load of evidence to support this and you're not just making a baseless claims right?

>>17903280
>trust the hecking experts!>>17903280
>Is demanding people take a test and getting a driving license before they can drive by themselves also gatekeeping?
It is good gatekeeping, it filters out the giga retards that unnecessarily endanger our streets.
Untrained historian hobbyists like John Norwich or Robin Pierson are leagues above some boring academic stodge that grinded out a degree

>>17901426 (OP)
The citizen historian has always existed and their eventual trajectory is to spiral towards writing down and archiving local and family history which is of great value. That this sad woman doesn't like that people look at the same sources as she does and interpret them differently is just a testament her poor historiographical knowledge. People researched different things with different biased across history, neither she nor any other researcher is free of it, but the biases don't render the work useless. I myself always liked reading chapters on historiography by old history professors simply because they tend to have the background knowledge to discuss historiography of a particular subject in detail going back to 1700's.

>>17903197
There are definitely people like that, but for most people the whole Romaboo "muh manly men who conquered other manly men (no homo), look at how manly this statue of an almost naked man is" thing is just a phase, they either drop it once they hit puberty or it does turn into a genuine interest in Roman history and history in general

For a lot of people though, this phase lasts an embarrassingly long time and they're the ones who moan about how much better life was in ancient Rome and how they would've totally been born a badass patrician and not a slave like 40% of the population

>>17903310
They couldn't have been born slave if they were born human. Slaves are talking objects.

>>17903300
>it filters out the giga retards
Same for historians
>above some boring academic stodge
>Noo it's not exciting enough, where are gunfights and hot babes
Next you'll be claiming Bernard Cornwall is a historian, and it's better than anything written by Stenton because it's fun and exciting. If you get filtered by actual academic texts because you find them boring then that's completely on you

>>17903346
>>it filters out the giga retards
>Same for historians
Not really, grade inflation means that anyone can get a degree these days. Niggers these days aren't required to learn Latin

>>17903428
Any respectable university isn't going to hand out a degree just because you applied, typically you'll write a paper and get a grade and you'll have to pass.
>Some historians are bad actually
Yes, that's why peer reviewing is a thing
>Latin
Oh no the horror.
Unless they specialise in Rome or Medieval Europe this isn't a problem.

>>17901972
>TRUST THE SCIENCE GOY
Uneducated people are more trustworthy than brainwashed experts as they are more attuned to their senses and intuition, which intellectuals are trained to reject.
The more time passes, the more I agree with Pol Pot

>>17903194
what are you saying, we should just ignore bad things that happened because Karen might misconstrue it as us saying it was a good thing

it is really refreshing when you walk into a room and there is no one like you there

>>17901426 (OP)
This is true, I would have created a final solution to the German question.

So, what are the "correct thoughts" to have about Rome? Like what is the academic consensus on Romans, were they le good or le bad?

>>17901954
You imagined the entire scenario in your head, may i remind you.

>>17903765
Rome was a lethal virus to Europe, but a good one. It was a virulent invasion of European barbarians, and like any viral invasion, it brought ruin and death and conquest. But it also brought with it a great civilization. It brought with it an entirely new language, laws, courts, buildings, churches, schools, and military. The invasion of Roman Europe, while tragic in many respects, was also the greatest single event in European history, so we must think positively about Rome, even as we must also think soberly about its consequences.

Why can't women shut the fuck up about men's issues nowadays? Where does this conceitedness that they understand us better than we understand ourselves come from? It's so tiresome

>>17903789
I don't read SM so I don't know of these women. That's your problem for subjecting yourself to SM, dude.

>>17901429
>>17901432
>>17901435
>>17901509
>>17903789
facts don't care about your feelings.

>>17903280
because of my race I am selected against in academia.
Racism is literally stopping me from becoming an accredited historian.
>inb4 well you deserve it Whitey
You asked. This is why.
Academia is heavily gatekept and therefore can not be trusted.
Furthermore, academia is just an appeal to authority the primary sources are what matter, not consensus, history is not a science it is a liberal arts and academic history is highly subjective in ways primary sources are not.

>>17901972
A foid like that isn't a 'trained historian', she is just a propagandist

>>17903872
>Academia is heavily gatekept and therefore can not be trusted.
Fallacious statement, and could only have come from someone who suffers from autism and cannot process nuance. Take your meds aspie

>>17904299
Academia will literally strip someone of their credentials for criticizing race/israel lmao even when what they say has well substantiated evidence.
Modern Academia is a sham and (You) only defend it because it is currently on "your side"

>>17903872
>because of my race I am selected against in academia.
>Racism is literally stopping me from becoming an accredited historian.
No, it didn't.

>>17902861

No, I'm not one of those people.

>>17901426 (OP)
Yes. There's a reason the book threads on /his/ were always the slowest.

>>17904432
>Academia will literally strip someone of their credentials for criticizing race/israel lmao even when what they say has well substantiated evidence.
not the anon you're replying to, but am interested in a source or two. never seen anything like that personally in the field of history/archeology. i've only ever seen things like limiting access to information/sites/publication in the case of native americans and Islam when it comes to censorship in academia.

>>17901936
Panchito moment

>>17901426 (OP)
I know its a longshot, but does anyone have a link to the twitter thread Bronze Age Pervert had on specifically liberal female academics and ancient history? It was from like 2019-2020, he specifically calls out Mark Zuckerbergs sister who had recently published a book on ancient greece, and the whole thing was that liberal academia circles, specifially women, are desperate to control the narrative around Ancient Rome and Greece because they are scared that young white men will be enthralled by these topics and "take the wrong lessons" from them. He mentions that this is why pop history is so obsessed with pushing this idea that Rome and Greece were all LGBT+ utopias of gay sex and multiculturalism

>>17904897

>Rome and Greece were all LGBT+ utopias of gay sex and multiculturalism

Because they were. At least, before Christianity.

>>17904899
I guess this all depends on what we mean by utopia. If a utopia means you're allowed to call niggers and faggots niggers and faggots while living amongst them, then yeah it was a utopia.

>>17904533
try again
>https://www.nixonpeabody.com/insights/alerts/2025/05/28/dojs-bid-to-deploy-the-false-claims-act-in-higher-education-may-face-headwinds

>>17904899
Greek men who were known to have had gay sex werent allowed to vote and had their citizenship revoked. You've been psyoped

>>17904955
This mostly applied to "kinaidos," men who liked to take it up the ass and were prostitutes. It didn't apply to all participants in gay sex, and definitely not to all gay relationships. Kinaidos were also still able to vote but only silently, though had much of their rights taken away as well. Gay things in ancient Greece were a mixed bag: it wasn't a utopia but it still is quite surprisingly tolerant compared to a culturally Judeo-Christian perspective.

>>17904897
Idk, but he talks about it on various episodes of Carribean Rhythms

>>17901426 (OP)
No, that's just credentialism.

>>17904897
>Bronze Age Pervert
>liberal female academics
I don't think you realize that you are actually doing ops pic is suggesting?
You want to create false facts based on your political ideas and dissmiss expert opinions made by woman doctors.

>>17901426 (OP)
>miss information