Thread 17902127

He would have supported Lincoln (after the war began)

>>17902127 (OP)
But would have he finished the job and sent blacks to Africa?

Possible trvke

>>17902137
He would have probably genocided them. And their masters as well.

He would have supported Seward who had his nomination for president stolen by lincoln

lincoln was such a radical it forced south carolina to secede because he stole the primary from the centrist faction in the party

>>17902314
>seward
>centrist in 1860
>lincoln
>radical in 1860
The fuck are you smoking!?

>>17902326
lincoln was a crazed retard that got the US into a civil war anon

>>17902328
The South started the war anon

>>17902331
lincoln literally rigged the primaries in chicago (which was his city)

>>17902333
The south started the civil war anon

>>17902335
The north invaded the south troglodyte

>>17902336
Nope
The south fired on Fort Sumter
The South started the civil war

>>17902340
Lincoln illegally deployed federal forces to sumter after saying he wasn't going to

>>17902344
In retrospect it was the right move

Because the South started the Civil War

>>17902349
>in retrospect it was the right move to illegally cause the civil war
neat

>>17902350
Sorry Dixietard, you're not going to escape from this

>>17902352
Just like your mom won't ever escape from my basement?
Sorry just had to.

>>17902352
escape from what, you admitting that lincoln broke the law and caused the civil war?

All the previous presidents who hadn't lived to see the Civil War, besides maybe Jefferson, would have.

>>17902368
doubtful

>>17902127 (OP)
>Most ideologically authoritarian POTUS ever would support the second most
yeah, probably

>>17902331
>>17902335
Why would the Union think Succession means we keep all our forts in the South? Did the British after the Revolutionary War think they would be keeping all their Forts in the former 13 colonies?

>>17902368
Jefferson would have supported the South simply because the Battle Hymn of the Republic had too much God shit in it, whereas the Dixie song is just about being gay in the South

>>17902389
>Did the British after the Revolutionary War think they would be keeping all their Forts in the former 13 colonies?
False equivalence fallacy
The North continued to operate as though the South was never independent, but was rather temporarily taken over by violent insurrectionists. The reason this is a false equivalence is because the 13 Colonies were already recognized by France and Morocco as independent before the Revolutionary War even concluded, whereas the Southern States never gained such legitimacy.

>>17902127 (OP)
>the man who literally threatened to execute the entire South Carolina state legislature over Nullification would have been a Lincoln fanboy

Say it ain't so...

>>17902384

This

>>17902368
>All the previous presidents who hadn't lived to see the Civil War, besides maybe Jefferson, would have.

Ehhhhh... Madison, Monroe, Harrison, Polk, and arguably Taylor would have sided with the Confederacy.

>>17902368
Jefferson's life after the presidency is interesting. Reading his work and opinions and watching him navigate America's transition from a post revolutionary, former colony to an independent nation with its own unique political culture is fascinating. He was changing along with the country. And he would have supported the lawful the elected president.

>>17902472
LOL no

>>17902336
you dumb

>>17902498
Polk's entire surviving family served the CSA, he absolutely would have as well

>>17902389
They aren't state property, you would have to negotiate the sale or transfer of them. Britain kept all its forts in America until they were conqiered or surrendered by treaty, they didn't let the Americans sign the Declaration of Independence and just wait until the Americans seized fort Ticonderoga.

>>17902472
>Madison
Yeah bro, the guy who wrote the fucking constitution and a third of the federalist totally would have supported the union being broken apart

>>17903254
this one has a point

>>17902331
>>17902335
>>17902340
the occupation of sumter by andreson was itself an act of agression, retards. South had the right to defend itself, like Israel. plus, anderson did it without consulting with his federal supervisors.

>>17903470
Semantics. Lincoln still broken the law sending troops to occupy sumter

>>17902472
>madison
>who explicitly told Calhoun to go fuck himself after he tried to use his resolution to support nullification
>supporting confederacy
Wew lad

>>17902127 (OP)
Calhoun W

>>17903504
>>17903854

He was still a Virginian and from a slaveholding family (although he personally disliked it). He'd agonize over it for sure, but Robert E. Lee was in the same boat himself.

>>17903504
>>17903854

He was still a Virginian and from a slaveholding family (although he personally disliked it). He'd agonize over it for sure, but Robert E. Lee was in the same boat himself. If anything, Lee was arguably even more inclined to side with the Union because he privately denounced secession even harder than he did slavery, but when Virginia left the Union, he couldn't bear the thought of having to fight against his own neighbors and family.

>>17902273
nah he would have spared the Whites.
Slaves are worth 10x their slaves.

>>17902395
>>17903470
They were occupying troops in foreign land that had been in part paid for by the citizens of this new country.
This is a silly debate.
You hate the South because they put blacks in their place and forced them to be productive contributing members of society instead of their favorite pastime of terrorizing elderly asiatics or stabbing children.
But this is no reason to poopoo The South.
The South was right.
The Union should have abandoned the forts as a sign of good will.
That would have de-escalated.
The Union wasnt forced to fight.
You can argue fighting was the right thing to do from a Might makes Right stance but its undeniable Lincoln actively avoided the offramps.

>>17903254
Who cares what his family did? And the man didn't have children due to a medical procedure as a kid.

>>17903963
You're confusing Madison with Jefferson

>>17903254
Sarah was pro-Union, despite living in a CSA state. Considering Polk was also strongly against secession during the Nullification Crisis and all of his major presidential Jacksonian allies and cabinet officials (other than Cave Johnson) were staunch Unionists, it's almost certain he would have been too.