Thread 17902387

Arguably more effected by liberalism and secularism than Islam and Christianity
>Most jews don't know any prayers outside of the most basic ones
>Most jews, especially western ones, are liberal
>Most are only culturally Jewish
>Religious jews are looked down on as weirdos and backwards
>Most support non-kosher ideals for jews than anyone else

They're about as religious as modern Christians are (that is to say, most modern Christians also aren't very religious)

>>17902387 (OP)
Have you actually read Jewish law? It is extremely micromanaging and very strict compared to Sharia or Canon law. I can see why most Jews moved away from that in the 19th century

>>17902387 (OP)
>jews don't know any prayers outside of the most basic ones
This applies to Christians as well but scripture says, at least for Christians.

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

>Religious jews are looked down on as weirdos and backwards
I am not Jewish but I've looked into it being a Christian and all.
They don't have a stick and carrot game. There's no real hell(and no devil for that matter, it's a role to them and not an actual being against God)
or a promise of an afterlife exactly. It's something closer to "Heaven on earth" the world to come when translated.

Almost reminds me Buddhism. Focus on the here and now and try to promote a good life for yourself and others. What comes after is of little importance.

>Most support non-kosher ideals for jews than anyone else

The observance of the mitzvot (commandments) is judged only by God (unless others are harmed directly), not people. As a religion, it is generally accepted that, as God is merciful, if one makes a mistake and corrects his/her action, he will be forgiven.

>>17902406
>They don't have a stick and carrot game. There's no real hell(and no devil for that matter, it's a role to them and not an actual being against God)
>or a promise of an afterlife exactly. It's something closer to "Heaven on earth" the world to come when translated.
Jews do have a hell, the Talmud talks about different punishments for them. But unlike Islam and Christianity, Judaism mainly focuses on the earth rather than the afterlife, But heaven and hell does exist

>>17902414
The Talmud is just an interpretation and commentary on Jewish doctrine. The closest Christians equivalent would be something like the Catechism
The Talmud also suggests that basically every human on Earth is an "honorary Jew" as long as you follow the 7 Laws of Noah. This makes actual Jewish doctrine a lot more broad from what I understand it, and that to them, religion is a point o guidance for good morals for the chance to enter into Gods kingdom wherever that may be

>>17902418
>The Talmud is just an interpretation and commentary on Jewish doctrine
In some aspects, yes but a lot of it is also oral tradition that aids the Torah. Jews learn both the Talmud and Torah. Even if commentary it still talks about heaven and hell, even if both aren't the main center point of the religion

>>17902418
>The Talmud is just an interpretation and commentary on Jewish doctrine
That's not how modern Jews view it. They see it as an "oral Torah" that preserves additional teachings of Moses and the prophets. The Talmud is to Jews what the hadith is to Islam. Without it you wouldn't have something recognizable as Rabbinic Judaism as we know it, or only very barely so.

>The Talmud also suggests that basically every human on Earth is an "honorary Jew" as long as you follow the 7 Laws of Noah
Where does it call such people honorary Jews?

>>17902387 (OP)
Judaism is a racial identity, 90% of American Jews are totally irrelgious but they all support bleeding their American host dry to support their genocidal ethnostate

>>17902406
>They don't have a stick and carrot game. There's no real hell(and no devil for that matter, it's a role to them and not an actual being against God) or a promise of an afterlife exactly. It's something closer to "Heaven on earth" the world to come when translated.
I'm not Jewish either and I'd say that's probably accurate. I've read some Jewish apocalyptic stuff and it's like the dead will come out of their graves in the land of Israel and establish a kingdom there. (Also the attraction of secular Jews to communism in the 20th century as essentially promising to make a heaven on earth also makes sense in this context.)

>Almost reminds me Buddhism. Focus on the here and now and try to promote a good life for yourself and others.
There's also a notion (that exists in Islam) or at least in certain teachings that emphasize practical effort and activity. It's like, if a person is facing a hurricane and the flood waters are rising, he might only have a bucket but he has a duty to strive and to act with whatever he has to hand anyways in the belief that those actions will contribute to his salvation. Basically, Jews can be busy bees.

They're good at giving gifts too. I've received gifts from Jews on a few occasions and it wasn't for things I'd expect gifts for. Books on two occasions and a Jewish home prayer... blessing... poster? Or something. Protection of the home I think with a "hamsa" on it, like this.

I think a lot of antisemitism is projection. What people say about the Jews is usually something they're saying about themselves (which they don't like about themselves). Really. In my experience they're a tough, determined, clever people. Pretty direct. Friendly but you're in for a rough time if you get on their bad side. If they get pissed they will let you know exactly what they think without any beating around the bush. Kind of like characters in Barton Fink:
https://youtu.be/VN54kkl_nTI

>>17902698
>Where does it call such people honorary Jews?
That's literally what the Naohide Laws are about, it's described in the Babylonian Talmud.
>https://archive.ph/20200121162034/https://wrldrels.org/2017/10/08/the-bnei-noah-children-of-noah/
>https://web.archive.org/web/20120205022051/http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9679-laws-noachian
>4 BCE- 2 CE: Gentiles known as “God-sympathizers” (sebomenoi) observed Jewish practices but did not convert to Judaism.
>1860s: The idea of Noahidism as a Judaic religion for non-Jews was developed by Rabbi Elijah Benamozegh.

The Talmud explicitly describes Ger toshav (literally "Resident Aliens") as non-Jews who nevertheless follow the 7 Laws of Noah
It's also understood that all of humanity are "Children of Noah" regardless if you're a Jew or not
https://repozytorium.uwb.edu.pl/jspui/bitstream/11320/12441/1/RTK_20_2021_B_R_Barnes_The_Noahide_Laws_and_the_Universal_Fellowship_with_God.pdf

>>17903066
Cite it in the Talmud. Not secondary sources. Quote the Talmud itself calling them "honorary Jews" like you quoted it saying.

>>17903068
The problem with this is that the Talmud is literally 120 fucking volumes and the English Encyclopedia Talmudit doesn't seem to be readily available online

>>17903070
It isn't in there. As usual Jews have tricked you about what's in the Talmud. They hope no one really reads it. It's available online easily though: https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud

>>17903075
Sanhedrin 56a
>§ Since the halakhot of the descendants of Noah have been mentioned, a full discussion of the Noahide mitzvot is presented. The Sages taught in a baraita: The descendants of Noah, i.e., all of humanity, were commanded to observe seven mitzvot: The mitzva of establishing courts of judgment; and the prohibition against blessing, i.e., cursing, the name of God; and the prohibition of idol worship; and the prohibition against forbidden sexual relations; and the prohibition of bloodshed; and the prohibition of robbery; and the prohibition against eating a limb from a living animal.

>>17902387 (OP)
>>17902765
>>17902387 (OP)
Zionists hate atheists the most because without the religious delusion of god making the Jew the chosen ones it removes the credibility of god giving them the promised land and reduces the zionists as land grabbing murderers

All gods are mythology
All holy books are fictional
Politics is Treachery
Religion is Brainwashing

>>17903090
And notice no mention of "honorary Jew" or even such a concept here?

>>17902387 (OP)
>Arguably more effected by liberalism and secularism than Islam and Christianity
"Judaism" is a fraudulent ideology based primarily on opposition to Christianity and promotion of immorality. Those individuals promote sodomy, adultery and generalized promiscuity, because that is what they believe in. There is nothing more than a thin veneer of anything else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is simply lying.

Because of this, opposition to immorality itself is the same thing as opposing so-called "Judaism." This is because they have worked nonstop to promote immorality in our countries for a very long time because they are evil cultists. See Hollywood itself, and everything else that mafia cult has tried to involve us in. They are evil, destructive and filthy liars. What we need is something like the Maxi Trial, but on a much larger scale, to expose these criminals to justice and break up the stranglehold of this mafia cult that is trying to dominate media, education and politics.

If given the honor, I will be the first one to condemn these liars, who falsely claim to be "Jews," for their unspeakably diabolical crimes against my people and for all of the lies that they have told and for the flagrant immorality they have promoted and tried to normalize through the media. If possible, I will be the first to condemn them to the true punishment they deserve. And I'll tell you right now, that punishment will be the eternal fires of suffering and torment in hell, which is going to happen to them for sure due to their rejection of the Savior.

being caught up in other things or investing your time in business/art kills religion

jews live in bustling places like NY and LA. they're constantly exposed to other cultures, different forms of art, businesses, socializing ect. you're not gonna give much thought to praying and worshipping god when you have so many other things that simulate you and have no relation to god whatsoever
most muslims live around their own people and culture with little outside interference. a lot of what they see and do on a daily basis has some relation to god so they think about god all the time
a lot of christians are like jews where they don't really care about god because they live in bustling areas, but the most devout christians are the ones that live like muslims (but in the midwest) - surrounded by practically nothing but their own people and places of worship

>>17903264
Atheistic communists were the ones who built Israel in the first place. Not to mention Herzl & the political zionists. Herzl's beliefs were fundamentally racial, he even proposed the national language of the future Israel being German.

>>17902387 (OP)
I doubt there are very many actually religious Jews. You can take a peak at places like r/Judaism and see that they're mostly focused on creating an us vs them cultural identity and nursing a narcissistic persecution complex. There isn't a whole lot of talk of religious personal revelation.

They also seem particularly focused on hating Christianity. Which should be weird, since it's one of the closest religions. Not because it's not the one true religion, because they don't much believe in that, just... because. It's just a ethnic ideology mostly focused on hatred and narcissism pretending to be a religion.

>>17903264
The most clueless post i read in a while, I'm just in awe.

>>17905602
Most jews don't like Christians because they view them as pagan, and the persecution they had by them. Also, most jews would say Islam is the closest to them not Christianity

>>17905602
>You can take a peak at places like r/Judaism and see that they're mostly focused on creating an us vs them cultural identity and nursing a narcissistic persecution complex.

I love subtly trolling those places by acting like an even more neurotic, spiteful Jew than most of the other people there and using it to shitfling (especially towards liberal jews) while quoting their own doctrines.

/r/jewdank is also full of persecution complex faggots who are easy to troll

>>17906019
>Most jews don't like Christians because they view them as pagan
But they're obviously not. The OG goal of Judaism, as far as I know, is to make humanity monotheistic - ideally the true God of Abraham. You can gnash teeth about the trinity but that pretty much fits the bill with Christianity. And being one of the most popular world religions that should be a big win for God even if Jews are right and everyone should be more accurately following the 613 mitzvot. Or it would be a good thing, if you were thinking legitimately religiously and not hatefully, but...


> most jews would say Islam is the closest to them not Christianity
Maybe. But Christianity and Judaism share the Tanakh pretty much word for word. Just Christianity has extra books.

>>17906975
Christianity: people who believe they collectively form the living body of God animated by the spirit of God with the authority to act in God's name to do whatever is necessary to ensure their enteral life.

Jews: bitter retards who don't like how jesus defined israel and who are trying to kill everyone else that got included beyond themselves

>>17906975
Jews don't want gentiles performing any mitzvot. They're thoroughly uninterested in the practices of those not in the tribe. Ideally, someone who follows the noahide laws (thou shalt not kill, don't worship idols, etc.) is closer to God than even the best tzadik. Because obviously they didn't make the covenant, but they still thought to live righteously. The trinity is what makes this difficult, as the rabbinical consensus throughout history is that it amounts to idol worship.
>>17906752
The liberal Jews are unbearable. I'm a relatively neurotic hebe and even I can't stand the kvetching. I once quoted Meir Kahane and mused on the JDL and got jannied for supporting terrorism. The refreshing thing about Israeli society is that they don't bitch and moan if they're in trouble, they take steps to do something. Meanwhile diasporite liberal Jews whinge and moan and remain in their universalist squalor, and even if the Ummah is on their doorstep with pitchforks, you still can't say anything about the Arab & multiculturalism in Jewish polite liberal society

>>17902418
>honorary Jew
Thank the Lord

>>17902387 (OP)
hmm checks notes....... all the characteristics of a race not a religion

>>17907589
Why did the trinity even come about? Was it because they realized nobody would follow a Jewish king?

>>17907607
>Why did the trinity even come about?

>4th century
>there are multiple quarrelsome Christian sects all with varying beliefs about the exact nature of Jesus
>the Church arbitrarily settles the issue at the Nicean Council by declaring that the sect that was most popular in Rome at the time was the truth
And that was it; a politically driven decision.

>>17907589
everyone knows the ADL is a grift outfit that exists only to find anti-Semitism where it doesn't really exist in order to keep the grift going

Forgot to mention Jewish wiggerism. Liberal diaspora Jews have long had a weird thing with black worship and wanting to be black.

>>17907632
>getting upset over fucking Grandpa Boris in Rugrats and claiming he was an anti-Semitic caricature

>>17907641
Jewish wiggerism sounds like it should refer to evangelical conservatism.

>>17905602
There rte, they just don't use the internet much. If you have a legitimate religious question you go to a Rabbi and not reddit.
>>17907589
>"I once quoted the Jewish Equivalent of William Luther Pierce"
>Surprised he got banned
Iirc there is some limited evidence of Judaism being a prozelytizing religion during antiquity. Conversion was far easier than it is now anyway.

>>17907643
Christian identity/British Israelism is closer imo.
I just imagine some englishman looking at Yenkel trying to fish a penny out from in between the floorboards circa 1865 and say "God, I wish I was him".

>>17906989
it's chiefly an artifact of most diaspora Jews being from Eastern Europe where they were not very assimilated, people were poor, and anti-Semitism was much more aggressive into modern times. they consequently became attracted to extremist ideologies and developed a high level of Christian phobia.

>>17907607
>>17907631
The Trinity is obvious even in the Torah. It's made abundantly clear in Genesis 31:11-13 - "The angel of God said to me in the dream...I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me.".

Bear in mind this is referring to Genesis 28:13 which explicitly says "I am Yahweh". So in the Old Testament, the Torah itself, Yahweh has a messenger, who is also Yahweh. Sound like anybody you know?

>>17907631
If that's the case why were they still sending out Arian proselytizers

>>17906975
>Maybe.
They are quite similar, since both Talmudism and Mohammadism were influenced by the same gnostic false traditions that predated them both.

>Christianity and Judaism share the Tanakh pretty much word for word.
Those who claim to follow Judaism adhere primarily to the Babylonian Talmud, not anything else.