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Anonymous No.17903000 >>17903004 >>17903013 >>17903034 >>17903038 >>17903053 >>17903056 >>17903084 >>17903086 >>17903130 >>17903227 >>17903250 >>17903261 >>17903277 >>17903281 >>17903289 >>17903315 >>17903337 >>17903383 >>17903764 >>17903885 >>17905147 >>17905163 >>17905170 >>17905191 >>17905228 >>17905302 >>17905366 >>17906655 >>17906829 >>17907080 >>17907090 >>17907157 >>17907234 >>17907695 >>17907898 >>17907979 >>17909162 >>17909414 >>17909490 >>17909522 >>17909789 >>17909858 >>17909953 >>17909971 >>17910595 >>17911123 >>17911271 >>17911406 >>17911518 >>17911530 >>17911614
who is the smartest person here?
Anonymous No.17903004
>>17903000 (OP)
Me
Anonymous No.17903013
>>17903000 (OP)
Either Basedchill or Lord Stalin
Anonymous No.17903034
>>17903000 (OP)
FDR > Churchill > Stalin > the rest
Anonymous No.17903038 >>17903134
>>17903000 (OP)
Hitler
Anonymous No.17903053 >>17908247
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx. I completely loathe the man but if you manage to invent an entire ideology/religion you must be considerably above average.
Anonymous No.17903056 >>17905191
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx knew how to compose a wall of text. Hitler was the most honest.
Anonymous No.17903084 >>17903852 >>17907112 >>17909411 >>17909417
>>17903000 (OP)
In terms of IQ ranking it's probably
1. Marx
2. Lenin
3. Mao
4. Stalin
5. Mussolini
6. Che
7. FDR
8. Hitler
9. Churchill
Anonymous No.17903086 >>17903088 >>17907112 >>17909419
>>17903000 (OP)
Lenin>Stalin>Mao>Hitler>Churchill>FDR>Mussolini>Marx>Che
Anonymous No.17903088 >>17903094 >>17905312
>>17903086
Stalin wasn't really that intelligent, just a ruthless gangster.
Anonymous No.17903094 >>17903123
>>17903088
He was still very intelligent, definitely more than FDR, Churchill, Hitler, and Che. Could only see the more theoretically deep commies there and maybe Mussolini being more intelligent.
Anonymous No.17903118 >>17905326
Marx and Mussolini
Anonymous No.17903123
>>17903094
He was a populist strongman, and if more recent populist strongmen are anything to go by, he likely had an IQ in the double digits. Him refusing economic aid from the west is what killed his country. He let pride get in the way of his own people and Russia is still suffering to this day as a direct consequence of his actions
Anonymous No.17903130
>>17903000 (OP)
Don't know who's the smartest but I know Churchill is the dumbest.
Anonymous No.17903131 >>17903134 >>17907254 >>17909426
1. Hitler
2. Mao
3. FDR
4. Lenin
5. Mussolini
6. Marx
7. Churchill
8. Stalin
9. Guevara (why is he included? lol)
Anonymous No.17903134 >>17903138 >>17911529
>>17903131
>>17903038
How did the smartest person lose to dumb people?
Anonymous No.17903138
>>17903134
Because God wasn't on his side
Anonymous No.17903203 >>17903235
Mao was dumbest
Anonymous No.17903227
>>17903000 (OP)
Objectively Lenin. Even supposed anti-communists can’t help but copy Lenin’s tactics
Anonymous No.17903235 >>17903265 >>17905191
>>17903203
He wasn't. Stalin and Churchill were dumber
Mao was an autistic genius who made increasingly dumb and insane decisions as he grew bored with power
Anonymous No.17903250 >>17903265
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx stands out as the most influential thinker here, as his theories have had a lasting and tangible impact. Many others either built upon his ideas or defined themselves in opposition to them. In contrast, Hitler is the weakest, given that his legacy is universally condemned and holds no intellectual respect.
Anonymous No.17903261
>>17903000 (OP)
Probably Marx, and I'm no Marxist. FDR was probably the dumbest one.
Anonymous No.17903265 >>17903268 >>17903306 >>17905191 >>17905191 >>17906278
>>17903235
The most unusual thing about Mao is that he ultimately relinquished power and allowed a reform movement he had strongly opposed in previous decades, without any real military/revolutionary force making him. I can't really think of any leaders who were as powerful and sometimes destructive as Mao who did similar. Combined with his incredible military prowess in the early days, I think autistic genius probably did describe him best.
>>17903250
>if 102 IQ journos create a consensus against you it means you're dumb
China, who hold the Mandate of Heaven, strongly respect Carl Schmitt and other National Socialist theorists btw
Anonymous No.17903268
>>17903265
He just never understood communism for him it was just a means of unifying china and he dropped it when it was convenient.
Anonymous No.17903277
>>17903000 (OP)
>Smartest
Lenin
>Dumbest
Churchill
Anonymous No.17903281 >>17903282
>>17903000 (OP)
Who won?
Anonymous No.17903282
>>17903281
Mao
Anonymous No.17903289
>>17903000 (OP)
Skip
Anonymous No.17903306
>>17903265
> Carl Schmitt
You can't just take a smart Nazi and pretend that Hitler was smart as him by default. One had notable ideas and other just notable delusions.
Anonymous No.17903315 >>17905392 >>17907951 >>17909431 >>17909685
>>17903000 (OP)
Judging solely by their writing:
1. Marx (agree or disagree with him, he was an actual philosopher and is still cited by academics)
2. Churchill (historian, literature Nobel laurate, nuff said)
3. Lenin (very influential political theories)
4. Stalin (lots of dry political and economic theory but he was a pretty good poet in his youth)
5. Mussolini (successfull journalist who ran a newspaper but his most famous works were ghostwritten)
6. Che (mediocre diaries ang a useless guerilla manual)
7. Hitler (wrote one book and it's terrible, the only people who praise it never read it)
8. Mao (his book is literally just bumper sticker slogans and Instagram motivational quotes)
9. FDR (never even wrote anyting)
Anonymous No.17903337
>>17903000 (OP)
Just out of the WW2 leaders
Hitler, Roosevelt, and Mao were geniuses
Churchill and Mussolini were smart but not genius level
Stalin was a midwit
Anonymous No.17903383
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx: Formulated a groundbreaking, though flawed, theoretical framework for societal analysis.
Lenin: Masterfully adapted Marxist theory with sharp political acumen to seize power.
FDR: Navigated complex crises with exceptional political intelligence and pragmatism.
Churchill: Brilliant strategist with rhetorical mastery, despite occasional inflexibility.
Mao: Strategic in revolution but often undermined by ideological overreach.
Hitler: Manipulative and tactically cunning, but irrational ideology clouded his judgment.
Stalin: Ruthlessly calculating, though paranoia often distorted his decision-making.
Che: Driven by ideological fervor, but lacked strategic depth in execution.
Mussolini: Opportunistic and charismatic, but intellectually shallow in long-term vision.
Anonymous No.17903764
>>17903000 (OP)
probably marx
hitler, raviolli, stalin and mao are opportunistic bottom feeders. charismatic enough, but not necessarily smart
che was probably well above average, though getting entangled in that shit wasn't very smart
fdr was just a guy following the track. intelligent enough, nothing special. churchill too, mostly, but he seemed to have a spark
marx was enlightened, though. and he changed the world in a much deeper way than any of these could
Anonymous No.17903852 >>17905120 >>17907112
>>17903084
Mao would definitely be lower than FDR’s, Mussolini, and Stalin based of failures and achievements alone.
Anonymous No.17903885
>>17903000 (OP)
Hitler Mao and Musso because they actually had intellectual thoughts and werent figureheads of machiavellian animals.
unintelligent does not mean uncapable
Anonymous No.17905120
>>17903852
In what world is Mao not infinitely more successful than Mussolini lmao
It's irrelevant to intelligence anyways, Mao is smarter than them as a strategist and theorist
Hitler was objectively more successful than Mussolini but never wrote or said anything truly innovative or insightful and was obviously less intelligent
Anonymous No.17905139
The communist appraisals of the fascists were Mao and Stalin both viewing Hitler as a moron essentially being puppeted by Germany's war industrialists but Mussolini as a smart yet unprincipled opportunist. Lenin thought the same of Mussolini, but never lived to see a relevant Hitler.
Anonymous No.17905147
>>17903000 (OP)
I am
>but anon, you're not in this image
Yes I am, but I'm not going to tell you which one is me
Anonymous No.17905163 >>17907112
>>17903000 (OP)
FDR then Stalin then Che. People aren't familiar with his writings.
Anonymous No.17905170
>>17903000 (OP)
Top left radiating outward.
Anonymous No.17905191 >>17905661
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx.

>>17903056
Hitler's mentality was more that of an artist, but I don't think he came up with anything new. He was good at combining pre-existing ideas in German society (like Victorian-era racist and imperial ideologies) and combining them in a way that simultaneously appealed to land owners, industrialists, and military men who were at odds with each other.

>>17903235
I'd put Mao ahead of Stalin in intelligence. Stalin is overrated and he was very one-sided in his thinking.

>>17903265
I find him to be the most fascinating of the communist leaders. He had an interesting way of thinking. It's like everything turns into its opposite. He was writing letters to his wife in the mid-60s that communism (or I guess, the left wing of them, within their own context) was likely going to fail, and that the party's right would come into power in the future, and then he launched the Cultural Revolution anyways. He'd write that he was probably going to fall and be shattered into pieces (metaphorically, like someone bringing down a statue), because he had been built up into such a big figure. (The bigger the rise, the harder the fall.) But that something which turns into its opposite will one day turn into its opposite.

He also had this Buddhist-like idea that everything will be destroyed but something more advanced will replace it. That also went for Marxism. Humanity. Basically everything.

>>17903265
Chinese like theory. Also the interest in Schmitt came about when China was opening up and exploring liberalism a bit and some scholars were interested in learning about liberalism, and Schmitt's work largely concerns liberal systems.
Anonymous No.17905200
Probably Marx.
Anonymous No.17905228
>>17903000 (OP)
>ctrl+f probably Marx
>3 results
hipsters trying to make a safe pick
Anonymous No.17905302 >>17909446
>>17903000 (OP)
Even if you deeply hate him and his ideology, you gotta admit that it's Marx. Read his writings (i mean his analyses or excerpts from capital, not the dumbed down manifesto). Whether he was wrong or not, he was very sophisticated and intelligent and applied philosophical analysis very well.
The comparison itself is not fair. Comparing Marx to some inbred Georgian peasant like Stalin or an egoistic Italian manlet like Mussolini is stupid. This would only be fair if you made this image but with his peers, aka other german philosophers.
Anonymous No.17905312 >>17905317 >>17905408 >>17906244 >>17909448
>>17903088
Stalin outmaneuvered highly educated revolutionaries who established the USSR and beat them at their own game. This is an extraordinary feat that requires just as much brain as muscle.

The only reason you and other rightoids don't like to admit it is the same reason liberals refuse to accept that Hitler was an effective statesman and formidable conqueror: it makes you butthurt.
Anonymous No.17905317 >>17905400 >>17907262
>>17905312
Being able to do social manipulation better does not make you ultimately more intelligent, it just shows your social skills. A retard 80 IQ can outmanoeuvre someone genuinely intelligent socially in a high school environment. Stalin was genuinely not intelligent. He was a thourough midwit, not even by modern standards, but by early 20th century russia standards. His opponents (Trotsky mainly) were textbook examples of diagnosable autism, and nobody likes inflexible stubborn autists with intellectual superiority complexes.
Anonymous No.17905326
>>17903118
It's almost certainly these two
Anonymous No.17905366
>>17903000 (OP)
Hitler
Anonymous No.17905392
>>17903315
>8. Mao (his book is literally just bumper sticker slogans and Instagram motivational quotes)
He wrote and said plenty more.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/index.htm
Anonymous No.17905399 >>17907063 >>17907262
Lenin was more intelligent and accomplished than Marx, who was just a nerd with lofty theories. Lenin actually applied said theories to IRL while also adding onto it with practical experience.
Anonymous No.17905400 >>17909454
>>17905317
>A retard 80 IQ can outmanoeuvre someone genuinely intelligent socially in a high school environment
No they can't. Didn't read the rest of your post after this retardation.
Anonymous No.17905408
>>17905312
Khrushchev also won the battle of succession. Russia is never led by the smartest. Luck, ambition, and ruthlessness determines who becomes the next Russian dictator
Anonymous No.17905661 >>17907262
>>17905191
>He was writing letters to his wife in the mid-60s that communism (or I guess, the left wing of them, within their own context) was likely going to fail, and that the party's right would come into power in the future, and then he launched the Cultural Revolution anyways. He'd write that he was probably going to fall and be shattered into pieces (metaphorically, like someone bringing down a statue), because he had been built up into such a big figure. (The bigger the rise, the harder the fall.)
Mao was such a god damn prophet and there are still retards that think he would be surprised at today's China and that it's ackshually Chiang's vision. Ironically the only thing he was wrong about was the extent of his fail, because Deng was also intelligent enough to understand that letting it go too far would only undermine himself.
I think Mao was also the only communist leader that was simultaneously confident about the contradictions of capitalism leading to its decay and eventual demise, still thought the Soviet Union would fall first which even the West at the time wasn't confident about.
Anonymous No.17906244
>>17905312
Left theoreticians like Radek and Trotsky were discredited by successive international failures, there wasn't much maneuvering on his part when everyone just assumed he was the more stable choice.
Anonymous No.17906278
>>17903265
You can't equate the likes of Schmitt or Heidegger with Hitler, there's no positive apprasials of the man to be found because he truly was just a nitwit who knew enough to play his "role".
Anonymous No.17906655 >>17906656
>>17903000 (OP)
jawohl mein herr kek
Anonymous No.17906656
>>17906655
another
Anonymous No.17906829
>>17903000 (OP)
It’s already in order. (Sans 2 minor changes)
Anonymous No.17906835 >>17907086
>churchill
>smart
didn't he fuck up 90% of the shit he did in his career
Anonymous No.17906967
Mussolini was an economic genius. His Battle for Wheat resulted in whole towns being established, and the wheat harvest significantly increased.
Anonymous No.17907063
>>17905399
>applies Marx's theories IRL
>gets social democracy (democracy not included)
Grim.
Anonymous No.17907075
Che was a medical doctor so probably him
Anonymous No.17907080
>>17903000 (OP)
churchill by far he was able to drink the best whisky eat the best food had a staff of 30 cleaning for him had fun in the sun while jews bankrupted the british empire
Anonymous No.17907086
>>17906835
jews handed him money like an atm
Anonymous No.17907090
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx(privately)Hitler>Stalin>FDR>manbaby>Marx(publicly)>Zedong>Lenin>Mussolini

Any other opinions are objectively cancerous and wrong. Shut the fuck up you wrong disgusting wretch and return to the r/history
Anonymous No.17907112 >>17907138
>>17903084
>>17903852
>>17903086
>>17905163
>all these retards rating Stalin highly

Read Court of the Red Tsar faggots. He nearly fought WW2 with horses and cannons on advice of General Budyonny. He was a cunt's hair away (less than 1000 men) from losing Moscow. His "maneuvering" consisted of ruthless violence, dressing like a woman to evade police, and liquidating his own allies in multiple risky bids that also nearly cost him his life.

Then he died in a pool of piss after Beria poisoned him with warfarin. Is this /his/ or high school history class?
Anonymous No.17907138 >>17907148 >>17907166
>>17907112
Anonymous No.17907148 >>17907159
>>17907138
yes i think sayin that beats a gulag
Anonymous No.17907157 >>17907167
>>17903000 (OP)
1.) Marx
2.) FDR
3.) Mao
4.) Mussolini
5.) Hitler
6.) Lenin
7.) Churchill
8.) Che
9.) Stalin

Hitler was peak Midwit and a shining example of Dunning-Kruger. His only notable work is what amounts to a several hundred page schizopost he wrote while in prison. I don't think he's the dumbest on this list either though, or even particularly close to that. Stalin was not an intelligent man, he has every problem Hitler had except Hitler at least tried to wax poetic and be an albeit mediocre artist. He was a brainless populist who let his own ego kill his country. For Hitler it was more a combination of ego and the pressure of carrying out Pan-Germanism that led to both his ascension as well as his downfall
Anonymous No.17907159
>>17907148
Stalin had been dead for 2 years when he said that. He didn't have anything to fear.
Anonymous No.17907166
>>17907138
This is why I rarely come on this board. Just bait and absolute reddit-tier midwit shit.

Of course Zhukov would say that. Stalin grew jealous of him and contemplating having his killed, only deciding to send him East because of his popularity.

Zhukov knew not to betray Stalin, and this behavior continued even after Stalin's death in 1953. He would have nothing to gain from denouncing Stalin, even despite "destalinization", which was unpopular in the party and primarily motivated by Khrushchev's opinions.
Anonymous No.17907167
>>17907157
which one of those marched into a hail of bullets then took a prison sentence lost 4 elections then won?
Anonymous No.17907217 >>17907229 >>17907238
I think in terms of novel ideas and higher order thinking Marx, Lenin, Mao, Mussolini are obviously above the rest. I don't understand they aren't everyone's top 4 in some order or how some people think Hitler was smarter than Mussolini. I swear that's one of the biggest midwit filters since Mussolini has dumb meathead physiognomy to Hitler's nerdy one, and had to take the supportive role geopolitically so NPCs automatically think Hitler was smarter.
Anonymous No.17907229
>>17907217
hitler was smarter.........mussolini was a semi cuck who answered to the kingdom of italy
Anonymous No.17907234
>>17903000 (OP)
fdr has to be in the top 2 he and his jewish entourage convinced amerigoys to go to war over a threat that didnt exist
Anonymous No.17907238 >>17907248 >>17907252 >>17907268 >>17907483
>>17907217
Every Hitler quote was incredibly astute, soulful, and accurate. He was the soul of the German people, which unfortunately, the vile Soviets and the ignorant Americans crushed, dooming themselves in the process.

Mussolini was not very smart at all. He failed in most things. His army was a joke yet and couldn't even conquer Greece, yet he felt entitled to a rebuilt Roman Empire. His physiognomy was indeed brutish and he was indeed a brute. As are you, which makes you seethe.
Anonymous No.17907248 >>17907259
>>17907238
i concur......i was in 8th grade and was curious why people followed a madman but in actually looking into it you findout his enemies all had 1 thing in common..........financial bondage to jews
Anonymous No.17907252 >>17907268 >>17909463
>>17907238
>Every Hitler quote was incredibly astute, soulful, and accurate.
Mein Kampf is a massive /pol/tard schizopost
>He was the soul of the German people
You're correct, and Germans are the worlds autistic aspies that constantly need round the clock care and meds lest they have another tard crashout
Anonymous No.17907254 >>17907257 >>17907271
>>17903131
Just practically speaking your list is the best here. I feel Mussolini doesn't get enough credit for his intelligence. He outmaneuvered British glowies and crushed the Mafia. I suppose you could rank Mao as the second most intelligence if you simply chalk up all of his faults to Chinese culture, which makes sense and is obviously what you've done here.
Anonymous No.17907257
>>17907254
Most intelligent*
I'll stop phone posting then FUCK IT
Anonymous No.17907259
>>17907248
>Churchill doomed Western Civilization so he could get out of some gambling debts

Such banality is like a cosmic joke.
Anonymous No.17907262 >>17907294 >>17909471
>>17905317
>Being able to do social manipulation better does not make you ultimately more intelligent, it just shows your social skills. A retard 80 IQ can outmanoeuvre someone genuinely intelligent socially in a high school environment. Stalin was genuinely not intelligent. He was a thourough midwit
I think this is probably right. If Stalin was intelligent it was in his social intelligence I guess. I think he was a psychopath. I've read some accounts from people who met him personally. Milovan Djilas is an excellent source on this because he had several long meetings with him, and he would say he was good at reading people, and disarming people, and making them feel close to him. (That was dangerous.) He was funny, and a good listener. He was also very short and his appearance would be suprising, because you'd be walking through the Kremlin (which was kept pretty spartan when Stalin lived there) and then suddenly be greeted by this Georgian midget smoking a pipe. But he really only saw two types of people: obedient subjects and enemies.

>>17905399
>Lenin was more intelligent and accomplished than Marx, who was just a nerd with lofty theories. Lenin actually applied said theories to IRL
Marx was more of a scientist. Lenin was more of a revolutionary, which made him more dogmatic. Lenin was a really outstanding and militantly certain dogmatist and he helped to turn Marxism into a dogma. If it didn't correspond with Marxism, Lenin wasn't interested in it. But he didn't have much of a background in philosophy. Marx did.

>>17905661
Read this letter from Mao to Jiang Qing, it's like he did the Cultural Revolution because he expected the rightists to take power after he died, so he wanted to create a basis for the left to challenge them in the future, it's wild:
https://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/MaoZedong/Letters/Mao'sLetterToJiangQing-660708-Alt1-sm.pdf
Anonymous No.17907268
>>17907238
>Every Hitler quote was incredibly astute, soulful, and accurate.
>>17907252
>Mein Kampf is a massive /pol/tard schizopost
It's all feels with Hitler. It's Romanticism.
Anonymous No.17907271 >>17907277 >>17907285 >>17907318 >>17907499
>>17907254
Again, I will contest your claims and call you retarded.

>ranking Mao 2nd
He literally caused a famine that caused 200 million Chinese to die because he wanted to kill some birds. He ordered all the Chinese to melt down their metal items to produce steel, which made unusable pig iron.

If you're that fucking stupid to cause this, you aren't anywhere near the most intelligent. He might even be dumber than Pol Pot.
Anonymous No.17907277 >>17907299
>>17907271
>He literally caused a famine that caused 200 million Chinese to die because he wanted to kill some birds
Yes, anon, this was to do with that whole point about Chinese culture. That's literally just them and the way they are and always will be.

Not racist just don't like 'em.
Anonymous No.17907285 >>17907295 >>17907301
>>17907271
Maybe but Chinese went and did that with enthusiasm. It wasn't really imposed on people to the same extent that it was in the USSR. Mao believed (this was also rather artistic) that your average Chinese peasant can figure things out himself because he's a crafty and intelligent guy. It's like "just go out and experiment!" Maoism was wrapped up in a very Chinese form of utopianism that's kind of like "the experts say it can't be done....!!!" But we'll show them... and that whole genre of "amazing inventions from Chinese farmers!"
Anonymous No.17907294 >>17910943 >>17910956
>>17907262
Again, read Court of the Red Tsar.

Stalin was very clever in some ways, but the vast, vast majority of his successes were dumb luck. He evaded arrest by dumb luck numerous times. He was sent into exile despite being a revolutionary bank robber because the Tsarist government lost it's balls. Any other country would've simply executed him.

He only survived early on in the party because of how incredibly dull he was, which made people feel he wasn't a threat (a tactic I've copied for myself btw). His positioning of allies into seats of power was brilliant, though, I will give him that.

In his personal life, he was a complete failure after Lenin's death. His wife hated him and committed suicide as a result. He got his own son killed in a prison camp by refusing to trade him for a German general. His daughter fucked Jews to get back at him for his controlling behavior, so he killed her lover's as a result. He 'had' to kill all his friends because they all fucking hated him and plotted to have him assassinated. He was so paranoid he'd walk through his dacha using levers and hidden doors. He got assassinated by Beria after expousing his plans to genocide the Jews in the Doctors Plot to Beria, who made a deal with NYC Bankers to work with him if he replaced Stalin as the new General Secretary. He only died because his guards were too scared to check on him out of fear of being killed.

His political agendas were a complete fucking disaster. His slave labor canal was worthless. The gulags used more resource than they produced. He caused the Holodomor through incompetence and malice. He decimated the Red Army and got whooped like a dog in the Winter War. He had a meltdown and became a shut in for weeks after Hitler invaded. He expected to be executed for it. He was inches away from losing Moscow, little known fact. He had sperg meltdowns in the Tehran and Potsdam conferences. The Soviets only won WW2 because Hitler German Autism'd too hard on Stalingrad.
Anonymous No.17907295
>>17907285
If your policies cause 200 million deaths then my wet turd after eating a Taco Bell meal-for-4 is more intelligent than you.
Anonymous No.17907299
>>17907277
I don't think people understand how it really went down. I don't think it was a top down as it sounds. It was like Mao taking a train through the countryside and seeing a propaganda sign that said "People's Communes Are Good." Then Mao would reflect on it for a second, and say "people's communes are good" while taking a drag from a cigarette. Then the People's Daily correspondent who overheard that would publish "Chairman Mao Says: People's Communes Are Good" which sets off this mass collectivization campaign. Hell yeah they're fucking good. They're great. And nobody can tell the Chinese people that they're not!

It was probably more complicated than that actually, and they did plan that out. But the collectivization of agriculture there was nothing like it was under Stalin, where it was like a civil war.
Anonymous No.17907301 >>17907313
>>17907285
So glad these niggas are taking the global reins. Let the wet markets flourish. No CCP ever called me incel.
Anonymous No.17907313 >>17907319
>>17907301
They have at least 35 million incels (at least) in China or something building their own submarines or rocket-powered street cleaners on a tractor chassis out in the middle of nowhere. There's a big male-female gender population gap.
Anonymous No.17907318 >>17907404
>>17907271
>200 million Chinese to die
Even if the highest estimates put the deaths at 50m. Even 50m is obviously a massive exaggeration, because the population of China went from 600m to 700m in the same decade that the famine happened.
Anonymous No.17907319
>>17907313
Now we're talking soul
Anonymous No.17907404 >>17907423
>>17907318
it is now downgraded in rank
>it is now the #1 greatest genocide in human history, instead of the #1 greatest genocide in human history
Anonymous No.17907423 >>17907471
>>17907404
Firstly, learn the definition of genocide. No group was targeted, so it's not a genocide by any definition. Secondly, again, 50m is among the highest estimate. It was certainly much lower than that. If we look at the actual demographics, it was probably closer to about 15m over 3 years.
Anonymous No.17907471
>>17907423
>it's not a genocide
Anonymous No.17907483 >>17907512
>>17907238
>Every Hitler quote was incredibly astute, soulful, and accurate.
He never uttered or wrote a single novel thought
Anonymous No.17907499 >>17907663
>>17907271
Viewing history in terms of boohoo niggers died already shows that you're a retard levels of order below Mao and everyone else in the OP.
Anonymous No.17907505 >>17907558
>God tier: The triumvirate of intellectual titans (interchangeable)
Lenin, Mao, and FDR. Politically savvy, good at articulating their ideas within their party/to the masses, and at least somewhat self-aware and capable of guiding the ship of state.
>Mid tier: Sly gangstas
Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin. Men from rough backgrounds who managed to outmaneuver their political opponents and seize power for themselves. Ruthless, and in two cases only brought down after the total collapse of their countries in the largest war in history and one by natural causes after decades in power.
>Low tier: You can buy a shirt with their face on it and that's about it
Smart but that doesn't mean much if you can't perform. Marx alienated a lot of people and made some bad political calls when it had to do with French/German politics. He also called it wrong with the whole "Asiatic mode" thing.
Che was decent at organizing guerilla fighters but died. Ballsy but who cares. Churchill was a moron.
Anonymous No.17907512 >>17907539
>>17907483
he was an expert on kikes and their bullshit hence why hes hated.........you learn things like this when you study it for 3 decades
Anonymous No.17907539 >>17907550
>>17907512
He never even said an original thought or insight regarding Jews or the JQ
Anonymous No.17907550
>>17907539
he did what not a single other of the 108 places did he treated them as a racial problem hence why they spent 1933-1938 screaming for a new world war and he didnt just say oh its the jews he named names and showed his people it WAS the jews........thats the reason you must just accept the bullshit they tell you and why youre allowed to know jews died but cant ask the why because that opens up too big a box of questions ..........because in the end you notice 1 common denominator hitlers enemies shared.............financial bondage to jews
Anonymous No.17907558
>>17907505
pseud take
Anonymous No.17907663 >>17907764
>>17907499
Is accidentally killing 200k people in retarded plans a high IQ move?
Anonymous No.17907695
>>17903000 (OP)
they all seem to be bad at numbers except maybe fdr
Anonymous No.17907764 >>17908772
>>17907663
Depends on what those 200k deaths lead to.
Anonymous No.17907898 >>17908007
>>17903000 (OP)
History has shown only one of them to be correct, not a Commie, not an inbred "aristocrat", or dirty, stinky crypto-Jew.....Guess which one.


(they all look disgenic and forgettable too, except for the War Hero)
Anonymous No.17907951 >>17908778
>>17903315
>(agree or disagree with him, he was an actual philosopher and is still cited by academics)


Nothing could be more meaningless, and History has proven him objectively wrong about everything, or will you be moving to your nearest "Marxist Utopia" in the near future?
Anonymous No.17907979
>>17903000 (OP)

The best educated would be Lenin, Marx, Churchill, Roosevelt.

The smartest on the other hand, would be Churchill, Lenin, Mao.
Anonymous No.17908007 >>17908786 >>17910219
>>17907898
Mao and FDR are for all intents and purposes the founders of the two standing world powers on there so they're objectively the only ones history has favored most
Anonymous No.17908247
>>17903053
I agree even though I have mixed opinions of the guy
Anonymous No.17908772 >>17911455
>>17907764
>Depends on what those 200k deaths lead to.
Jack shit. Mr. Ends justify the means.

Mao was a retard. China was lucky because his successors managed to turn the ship around and swindle Western Jews of their capital.
Anonymous No.17908778 >>17908790
>>17907951
> History has proven him objectively wrong about everything
sorry but no btfo and stay mad
Anonymous No.17908786
>>17908007
America is a laughingstock that sold it's own destiny so liberal whites could LARP at having the moral high ground in the 60s. Then it has been systemically dismantled into an unrecognizable entity resembling a Jewish oligarchy.
Anonymous No.17908790 >>17908862
>>17908778
Anyone who can't clearly see that Hitler was right about absolutely everything at this point is an imbecile.

Even normies on Tiktok share Hitler speeches and say things like "I don't agree with X but he had a point..."
Anonymous No.17908862
>>17908790
Normies on instagram got communist content hundreds of thousands of likes when the content was narrated by an ai generated Peter Griffin voiceover with minecraft parkour videos in the background and a red guard maoist peter griffin png on the side. you gotta be retarded to use that as proof of anything.
Anonymous No.17909162
>>17903000 (OP)
Only one of them is symbolically eaten in the form of a life like cake each year so I'd say that guy. I might be wrong though.
Anonymous No.17909411
>>17903084
>Mao third
>Che lower than FDR
Yep, you're retarded
Anonymous No.17909414
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx>Lenin>Everyone else.
Anonymous No.17909417
>>17903084
Hitler probably had a pretty high IQ, but he was kept back by being a literal middle school dropout which meant that he was horrendously uneducated.
Anonymous No.17909419 >>17910369
>>17903086
There is no reason to believe Churchill had any intellectual talents.
Anonymous No.17909426
>>17903131
Guevara was a doctor so probably not a total dummie. Also FDR was a competent statesman, but I don't think there any evidence that he was astronomically smart.
Anonymous No.17909431
>>17903315
Pretty sure Marx was educated as a philologist and he should really be called an economist.
Anonymous No.17909446 >>17909497
>>17905302
Marx and Mussolini both worked extensively as journalists, so it's a pretty apples to apples comparison.
Anonymous No.17909448 >>17909798
>>17905312
Hitler really wasn't a very good statesman. He was however probably the greatest politician and orator in human history.
Anonymous No.17909454
>>17905400
You should have read the rest of the post since he implies that the genuinely intelligent person has crippling autism.
Anonymous No.17909463
>>17907252
Mein Kampf is weird because it's like a sea of incoherent schizophrenic seething among which there are islands of genuine insight.
Anonymous No.17909465 >>17909511
Che was well read, but he wasn't that smart.
He misinterpreted the factors that led to the success of the Cuban Revolution, and it bit him in the ass when he assumed it could be replicated anywhere else.
Anonymous No.17909471
>>17907262
I don't think Stalin was a psychopath, since he did show sincere concern for the well being of the world proletariat. Furthermore, he did show signs of great analytic thinking, because he was interested in random things like naval engineering and did actually understand it, and he was a celebrated poet before going into politics.
Anonymous No.17909490 >>17911297
>>17903000 (OP)
Stalin 100%. He outmaneuvered Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, Churchill, etc. Hitler is a close second.
Anonymous No.17909497 >>17910228 >>17910361
>>17909446
Hitler writing a few articles and being a failed journalist is incomparable to Marx writing a 3000 page long series of socio-economic and philosophical analysis of material relations, societal trends such as alienation, relations of production and the current state of the world that proceeded to set and influence all of world history from the very moment it was written (including hitler himself).
You could replace Marx with Kant or Schopenhauer, they would all be more intelligent than anyone else in the picture. It's just really stupid to place prolific and genuinely greatly intelligent philosophers in the same tier as politicians some of whom are basically known only for aura farming (Che), seized a highly precarious moment and opportunity to enforce their wills (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin) or dimply aristocrats set to be influential by right of birth (Churchill).
Anonymous No.17909511 >>17909610
>>17909465
>He misinterpreted the factors that led to the success of the Cuban Revolution, and it bit him in the ass when he assumed it could be replicated anywhere else
He was wrong about what exactly?
Anonymous No.17909522
>>17903000 (OP)
Hitler. The guys in the bottom row are all low IQ retards
Anonymous No.17909528
Hitler and Mussolini are the smartest guys here. Lenin was also very intelligent even though he was a degenerate psychopath
Anonymous No.17909610
>>17909511
He thought rural guerrilla war was replicable because he took for granted the support of the peasants. Batista's regime was hated by the entire country. It made convincing conscripts to switch sides easy. Other right wing dictators had a stronger ideological base and more popular support with a good chunk on the peasantry firmly on their side.
Anonymous No.17909685
>>17903315
So writing poetry as a teenager is now considered smart huh
Anonymous No.17909789 >>17909806
>>17903000 (OP)
Pretty much every single one of them is at genius level or higher, other than FDR and Churchill. Guevara had pretty crippling blind spots but I'm not sure he is as retarded as as the two guys to the right of him.
Anonymous No.17909798
>>17909448
There's no evidence of him being particularly skilled at statecraft or rhetoric before getting possessed by Wotan. Absolutely none.
Anonymous No.17909806 >>17909958
>>17909789
Why are they retarded, but Che is not exactly? One could well make the argument FDR was the most successful man listed there. None of his enemies considered him retarded. He was Ivy League when that mattered more than ever.

I don't think Churchill was a genius like some claim but I don't see him as particularly unintelligent. I don't even think Che is retarded I'm just wondering what motivates such a post.
Anonymous No.17909824 >>17910231
Che was a psychopath. He had no empathy and he admit he just liked to kill people. Psychopaths/sociopaths often come off as being more intelligent than they are. I don’t think he was low IQ but he was probably overall of middling intelligence. He’s worshipped by the low IQ especially swarthoids in South America who still yearn for the revolution and communism. His fate was deserved and he deserved much worse than that. He should have been tortured and mutilated like the cartel shit that happens today
Anonymous No.17909858
>>17903000 (OP)
James Marx Clerkwell
Anonymous No.17909861 >>17910456 >>17910839 >>17911301
Karl Marx – ~150–160

Winston Churchill – ~145–150

Franklin D. Roosevelt – ~140–145

Che Guevara – ~140

Vladimir Lenin – ~140

Mao Zedong – ~135–140

Joseph Stalin – ~120–130

Benito Mussolini – ~120–125

Adolf Hitler – ~110–130

IQ estimates for all of them according to ChatGPT (although I think IQ is bullshit.
Anonymous No.17909953 >>17911736
>>17903000 (OP)
OBJECTIVE RANKINGS: (Using AI to judge their writings (complexity of their writing/ideas)).
>1)Marx 180
About the same level as Rousseau or Plutarch
>2)Churchill 160
About the same level as Carl Sagan
>3)Hitler 155
About the same level as Robert E. Lee
>4)FDR 135
About the same level as Alexander Hamilton
>5/6)Lenin/Stalin 130
About the same as Walt Disney or Ford.
>7/8)Mussolini/Che Guevara 120
About the same as Jordan Peterson.
>9)Mao 110
About the same as Andrew Tate.
As you can see no one on the list is outright stupid, with the dumbest one being Mao but he's still higher then most people.
NOTE: THIS IS USING AI NOT MY OPINION.
Anonymous No.17909958 >>17909978
>>17909806
Absolute power was held by all but FDR and Churchill and all changed the course of history, FDR and Churchill sort of just followed the chart of their times. Marx was able to repurpose an extant political ideology of solidarity and turn it into a money-making scheme for Jews that has one shot many a 19 year old. Stalin successfully divorced the world's leading communist power from total Jewish control and did it so well they still cope about the fact they got an "autonomous" oblast in Siberia. Mussolini, Hitler, and Mao essentially codified what nationalism is to the people from the regions they came from, with both Mussolini's and Hitler's fascist economic reinvigorating ailing civilian economies.
Dr. Commie No.17909971
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx obviously.
Anonymous No.17909978
>>17909958
This post is pure slop anon.
Anonymous No.17909987 >>17910987 >>17911598
>Communist
>Smart
Anonymous No.17910219
>>17908007

"For all intents and purposes", that's a whole lotta COPE. "History" is Fake & Ghey. No one on Earth respects anyone in this pic, except for the Austrian Artist. He certainly lives the Tribes head rent free every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every week, of every month, of every year.....forever :)

Take a poll, I think you'll find more peoples around the world that now concur with His views than all of the rest combined. Go ask. You'll see.

Besides all Great Thinkers are 100 years ahead of their time, and He said as much. Prophetic, indeed.
Anonymous No.17910228 >>17910973
>>17909497
Marx's own father called him a literal "demon", and his idiotic "writings" have been proven wrong in ever way. That's why you're not moving to anywhere "more Marxist" anytime soon and neither has any one else in the history of History. His own hideously ugly wife, whose money they lived off of along with his Jew Daddy's money, that she called him "The Moor" and said he stank in front of people she knew.
Anonymous No.17910231
>>17909824
Also, a crypto-Jew, which makes the paranoid-schizophrenia and psychopathy all the more expected, along with the inevitable failure, of course.
Anonymous No.17910361
>>17909497
My point was that Marx engaged in the same activities as many of the other people in that picture, while he obviously was much smarter.
Anonymous No.17910369 >>17910385 >>17911311
>>17909419
He won the war. I haven't heard any real criticisms of him besides
>da jews gave him money!
As if it makes Hitler any better for just jailing his creditors and seizing their assets instead of being indebted to them when they asked him to pay back the loans he took out to rearm and fund Germany's remilitarization.
Anonymous No.17910385
>>17910369
Even bad leaders can win wars, especially when China, the USSR, and the US did 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of the lifting. He probably wasn't outright stupid, but he did fuck up Gallipoli and his wartime leadership has been questioned by many people, and he has a lack of any notable achievements, all pointing to him being rather mediocre intellectually.
Anonymous No.17910396
Stalin was a literal low iq monkey. Probably beat out of him from his dad have you seen his writings?
Anonymous No.17910456
>>17909861
This seems pretty biased
Anonymous No.17910595
>>17903000 (OP)
Marx because how he shoved his flawed theories up everyone's ass and still they talk about him kek
Anonymous No.17910839
>>17909861
Seems very accurate.
Anonymous No.17910943 >>17910982
>>17907294
Is the Son thing bad? Why would you exchange a fucking private for goddamn Paulus?
If the Son thing was literally any Western leader, it would be seen as literally nothing but extreme heroism and putting the people ahead of yourself.
Anonymous No.17910956
>>17907294
>He had a meltdown and became a shut in for weeks after Hitler invaded.
Lie by Khruschev, debunked by the archives.
Anonymous No.17910973
>>17910228
None of this relates in any way to his intelligence btw you are simply seething. Also just to note China is increasingly becoming a top destination for students, tourism, and even immigration, so nobody moving to anywhere "more marxist" is just cope.
Anonymous No.17910982
>>17910943
If Hitler wasn't an infertile faggot and had any children him sacrificing his own son in order to defend and preserve the German war effort would be seen as the epitome of heroism and sacrifice done to oreserve the aryan nation by these barely human apes.
Anonymous No.17910987 >>17911001
>>17909987
You are an actual child, either an underage 14 year old newfag or mentally a child one if you can't recognize the intelligence of Marx and Lenin (others are debatable). You have to know your enemy.
Anonymous No.17911001
>>17910987
Ad hominen. You lost the debate.
Anonymous No.17911123
>>17903000 (OP)
The man who studied forbidden history class
Anonymous No.17911271
>>17903000 (OP)
Id say Lenin but is prob Roosevelt
He was on the winning side after all...
Anonymous No.17911297
>>17909490
This too many people underestimated Uncle Joe and paid dearly for it
Anonymous No.17911301 >>17911309
>>17909861
The founder and owner of ChatGPT is Sam Altman who's a jew. I wouldn't trust it on this.
Anonymous No.17911309 >>17911320 >>17911577
>>17911301
You gotta be retarded to believe that Jewish billionaires will support an ideology who's explicit goal is to hang them for being bourgeois alongside destroying and burning their entire zionist project to the ground and giving it back to arabs. Judeo-Bolshevism is not a thing, you need better theories.
Anonymous No.17911311
>>17910369
He didn't win shit. The British forces got BTFO'd out of the continent by the Axis and had to sit and wait in Britain until the Soviets and the Yankees arrived.
Anonymous No.17911320 >>17911331 >>17911585 >>17911679
>>17911309
Marx was a jew.
Lenin was a jew.
Trotsky was a jew.
Kaganovich was a jew.
Stalin was married to a jewess to ally with Kaganovich.
Most of the Old Bolsheviks were jews.
Anonymous No.17911323 >>17911580
Anonymous No.17911331
>>17911320
This entire image is such a load of bullshit.
>Ideologists
Who the fuck is Adam weishaupt and Moses Hess these people are completely irrelevant.
>Rothschild Mafia Financiers
The Rotschilds financed the international intervention against the Soviets.
>WZO president
The Bolsheviks werr very explicitly opposed to Zionism, why did you include it's president he had genuinely no ties to the Bolshevik
I could go over the rest too, but just off the bat all of it is bullshit
Anonymous No.17911406 >>17911423 >>17911430
>>17903000 (OP)
>who is the smartest person here?
It's an extremely fierce competition between Stalin, Hitler and Marx. Everyone else is simply a moron in comparison, don't even bother with them.

Hitler made the biggest blunders in practice (invading places he shouldn't have etc.)

While Marx made the biggest ideological blunders (muh collapse of capitalism and all conflict is material/class conflict, despite ethnic conflict being the only constant throughout human history)

Stalin is a creepy, unnerving bastard, and was borderline omniscient at times in the war. Don't fuck with Stalin. If we're going purely by results here, then Stalin is by far intellectually superior to all others, albeit communism is a shite ideology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtqfIjK1GAc

Hitler had roughly 16k books in his personal library, I am not joking. 8,000 of these books were military related. It instantly reminds you of a chud who spends half of his free time playing HOI4. Hitler trained his memory throughout his life, and would always focus on the essence of a thing, and fix it in his mind.
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https://malevus.com/what-authors-and-books-did-hitler-read/
https://files.catbox.moe/zf0fcz.mp4
Anonymous No.17911423 >>17911449
>>17911406
>muh collapse of capitalism and all conflict is material/class conflict, despite ethnic conflict being the only constant throughout human history
You have no idea what Marx was saying
Anonymous No.17911430
>>17911406
I believe Lenin > Stalin.
Stalin would be nobody without Lenin.
Anonymous No.17911449 >>17911453
>>17911423
Marxists and Marx-admirers have to pretend that they and Marx are these high and mighty intellectuals when they don't even know basic human nature, economics or history. Marx had a few good insights here and there.
Anonymous No.17911453 >>17911515
>>17911449
> basic human nature, economics or history
Marx discovered all three, in fact modern ideas of such are blatantly based on marxist praxis.
Anonymous No.17911455
>>17908772
>Mao was a retard. China was lucky because his successors managed to turn the ship around
plebbit opinion
Anonymous No.17911515 >>17911746
>>17911453
>> basic human nature, economics or history
>Marx discovered all three
It's quite interesting how he was so demonstrably wrong on all three of these...
>modern ideas
Modern "ideas" quote-unquote. Most if not all Marxist predictions have failed, and usually the exact opposite of what the Marxists predicted came to pass. The poor, middle class and rich all became richer over time. Recently liberalism has been in crisis though, which the Marxists conflate with capitalism
Anonymous No.17911518 >>17911519
>>17903000 (OP)
There's only one full philosopher here, the others are just political leaders
Simon Salva !!h4wpIXR3ZRV No.17911519
>>17911518

Enjoy burning!
Anonymous No.17911529
>>17903134
jews were smarter than Hitler
Anonymous No.17911530 >>17911592
>>17903000 (OP)
Che's definitely at the bottom of the list, Bolivia proves he's an unironic retard.

Stalin is probably undervalued. He was a provincial working class genius, not educated but fiendishly clever in a way his gruff speech and sense of humor might obscure from midwits. Underestimating him was probably the end of many men.
Anonymous No.17911577
>>17911309
Judeo Bolshevism was a thing, but it only lasted like 7 years after which they split. Also worth noting that the Jewish Bolsheviks that there were, were very pro assimilation and generally anti zionist.
Anonymous No.17911580
>>17911323
Given how inbred the European Jewish population was, being related to a rabbi isn't really surprising.
Anonymous No.17911585
>>17911320
>Most of the old Bolsheviks were jews
WRONG. Jews like Trotsky and Zinoviev were Mensheviks.
Anonymous No.17911592
>>17911530
Stalin was an autodictat.
Anonymous No.17911598
>>17909987
Based normie. I don't like Nazis, therefore they were retards.
>NO NOT LIKE THAT REEEE
Anonymous No.17911614
>>17903000 (OP)
Fuck it, pure ranking.

1. Lenin (Was an eloquent writer, led a mass revolution)
2. Karl Marx (Pure academic but wrote a theory that would inspire people for centuries)
3. Stalin (Outmanoeuvred his foes, although got cocky in 1941)
4. FDR (Not bad)
5. Churchill (Good writer, but alcoholic)
6. Mussolini (Great writer and bold, but way too cocky)
7. Mao (Great revolutionary but had some absolutely disastrous economic ideas
8. Hitler (Terrible writer but brilliant political strategist. His book reads exactly like a /pol/ manifesto. Also crap at geopol)
9. Che Guevara (Seems kinda dumb desu)
Anonymous No.17911679
>>17911320
So was Che. So was Fidel. So is that hag in Mexico ;)

Los Morranos!
Anonymous No.17911736
>>17909953
>>3)Hitler 155
LMAO in what world is Mein Kampf a complex piece of literature
Anonymous No.17911746
>>17911515
Marx was roght about capitalism collapsing and the entire world becoming (bourgeois)socialist in 1929. Marx saw modes of production in such objective terms that all of this happening without a global proletarian revolution allowed it to pass under most people's noses. Now, left and right, people have to come up with schizobabble to describe our current mode of production whether it be corporatism, crony-capitalism, fascism, "techno-feudalism" etc. when all are just describing the same phenomenon of bourgeois socialism.