Thread 17903357

> New research has used 3D image analysis to suggest that the Shroud of Turin was likely not laid atop Jesus’ body, but only a sculpture instead.

> For centuries, many have claimed that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus’ original burial covering. However, this new evidence about the Shroud of Turin shows that the image on the shroud could not have been made by a real human body, and was actually likely created by a low-relief sculpture.

> Researcher Cícero Moraes used 3D modeling software to study how the fabric would have fallen over a human body versus a sculpture to make his conclusions. Moreover, those conclusions support the theory that the shroud was created in medieval times as a piece of religious artwork and is not an actual Biblical artifact.

> Moraes created two different 3D models: one of a human body and one of a low-relief sculpture of a human body, or a sculpture in which the design is raised only slightly from its base. He then virtually draped the cloth over the impressions to compare the images with photos of the shroud from 1931.

> He found that the images of the cloth over the sculpture matched the photographs. Meanwhile, the images of the cloth over the human body tended to get distorted in ways that don’t match the photos.

>>17903357 (OP)
Here's my theory. Some ancient priest was likely dabbling in science and the occult and created an image through some early form of photography.

>>17903357 (OP)
Christchimps just cant stop taking L’s

>>17903384

We literally invented nearly everything of importance and made all of the major discoveries that paved the way for modern science. Not pagays, especially not them. Not atheists. Not Wiccans. Not Buddhists. Not Shintos. US. IT WAS US.

>>17903388
> we literally invented nearly everything of importance
All groundwork was created by ancient greeks like Euclid, Archimedes, etc.

>>17903408

Who were Christians.

>>17903408
>Euclid, Archimedes, Pythagoras, Galen, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Zeno, etc.
They were literally Byzantine Christians you dumbass

>>17903413

Based.

>>17903357 (OP)
I'm glad someone finally did this.
It's completely obvious to anyone with a brain that the shroud of Turin does not even remotely resemble something wrapped around a body

>>17903412
>>17903413
Bait used to be believable, not just acting retarded to be retarded.

>>17903357 (OP)
This literally presented nothing new, basic shroud studies show this

Regular reminder that the earliest account of the shroud says that it would rise up and hover on the spot every Friday afternoon. Why doesn't the shroud do that now and when did it stop doing that?

>>17903388
Under the pagan Greeks and Romans, bronze sculpture flourished, producing masterpieces such as the Equestrian Aurelius.
Immediately after the Christians took control, they deliberately destroyed all art, considering it to be sinful. For the next 1000 years art and bronze sculpture in particular resembled nothing more than low relief blobs.
It was not until Cellini in the renaissance that sculpture finally returned to the level of artistic skill of the pagan Greeks and Romans. And while he may have been a Christian, what did he chose to sculpt? Not Jesus... but Perseus. A pagan figure.

>>17903420

Wdym?

>>17903424
When it was stolen from Konstantinoupoli by the heretic Antichrists known as the "Crusaders"

>>17903357 (OP)
>Cicero Moraes is a Brazilian 3D designer and forensic facial reconstruction specialist.
Nothing burger

>>17903429

False. Some of the greatest architects in the 6th-15th centuries were Christians, such as John of Cappadocia who created incredibly stunning and detailed sculptures such as the "Ascension of Mary". Pagans did dicknuts for art and it will always be a fact. They never produced any fucking art worth of value, nor architecture, nor science, nor anything. Hell, even Sumer was Christian.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17884297/#17884297

>>17903436
is this weaponized retardation or something else?

>>17903431
It was first described being in a church in France in the mid 14th century when it was supposed to miraculously hover, dumb cunt.

>>17903438

It's true history.

>>17903447

>>17902823

>>>17902817 (You)

>Writing as a concept didn't even exist in much in Western Europe, and was actually frowned upon in Eastern Europe since word of mouth was the method of the "gods" or something.[1]

>[1] Carlton, E. Ear, P. Religious views on writing in pre-Christian Eastern Europe

>>17903444
You are definitely a Semite. The Shroud of Turin is the Mandylion. But of course you wouldn't understand these things because history is just a plaything to you.

>>17903454
See >>17903420

>>17903357 (OP)
Absolute Christcuck humiliation holy shit

>>17903456
>A burial cloth, which some historians maintain was the Shroud, was owned by the Byzantine emperors but disappeared during the Sack of Constantinople in 1204. Barbara Frale has cited that the Order of Knights Templar were in the possession of a relic showing a red, monochromatic image of a bearded man on linen or cotton.

>>17903452

Yes. People in Eastern Europe wouldn't even give a shit about writing until Christianity came along. Also, most if not all ancient civilizations with state paganism implemented had 0 writing, including Assyria. That's why when Assyrians conquered Sumer, we suspiciously found a humungous gap in their written history right after.

>>17903460
>there is no reliable historical evidence that these refer to the shroud currently at Turin Cathedral.

Stupid cunt.

>>17903388

>>17903412

>>17903436

>>17903452

>>17903461

None of you can refute any of this.

yet another episode of "simon salva says stupid shit?"

>>17903469
He's a shintoist so of course he does.

>>17903469

So real history is "stupid shit"?

>>17903474

I'm actually a Christian, you SAMEFAGGING RETARD.

>>17903463
You are definitely from a certain part of the world. That's why you won't even deny it. The abusive language is a key indicator. The evidence is pretty obvious. Jesus sends a the burial shroud to King Abgar of Edessa. Then the King of Rome takes it and brings it to Konstantinoupoli. And finally the Antichrist heretics known as "Crusaders" take it back to France where they defile it. This is why it lost its ability to float. Not unlike the Holy Fire in Jerusalem being impossible for the Papists to replicate.

>>17903480

Enjoy burning!

>>17903480
>Shroud of Turin first turns up in the 14th century in random small village in rural France where it hovers every Friday
>Not in the Sainte-Chappell in Paris where the other relics of the Passion purchased by Louis IX in the 13th century

Ok retard, why is there no mention of it in Paris and why didn't it get up and hover in Paris and how did it move from Paris to Lirey without anyone mentioning it?

>>17903388
Christianity caused the Dark Ages and anything of note came after the Enlightenment when people started questioning magic flying jews. White people invented stuff in spite of cucktianity, not because of it.

>>17903494

Paganism caused the Dark Ages, Christianity caused the Renaissance.

Pagans destroyed and sacked the Western Roman Empire, absolutely fucking up everything for everyone and eventually laying the groundwork for Byzantium, the absolute pride of the world for the entirety of the Middle Ages, to be destroyed as well.

>>17903493
>Why didn't it get up and hover in Paris
It likely refused to out of principle. If anything, it probably floated away to an area worthier than the filthy Antichrist Paris.
>How did it move from Paris to Lirey without anyone mentioning it?
Anyone who could have written about it back then was wealthy and likely would have been commanded to an oath of silence by the Templars after its disapperance.

>>17903502

I say Byzantium was the pride of the world during that period, because it consistently held the titles of the architectural, cultural, scientific, intellectual, and military capital of the world without ever once dropping any one of them.

Yeah I came to this conclusion like 30 minutes the first time thinking about this forgery

A 3D human body does not make a 2D image lol

The squiggly drawn blood lines are also not how blood naturally soaks in fabric

>>17903508
>The Shroud of Turin flew around France because of the Templars
Dan Brown is that you?

>>17903429

This is a lie and you know it.

>>17903357 (OP)
Every attempt at debunking the Shroud is meaningless if you cannot replicate it

There is a $1M prize to anyone who can replicate it with 13th-century tools. If you think that it is fake, then go make your own

>>17903558
>multiple replicas exist
>including a replica that they put on tour to sell cologne
>change the goalposts the second someone else makes a replica and asks for the prize money

>>17903357 (OP)
Am I reading this right?
His argument was that it does not have the 3D effect, therefore, it is fake?

That's an argument given since the very beginning wtf!
And this was long argued against by the fact that the Shroud wasn't "draped over" the body. No, the Shroud was "wrapped around". It's a single cloth with a front and back. Therefore, it would have acted less of a drape but more of a springroll

>>17903561
Show up or shut up

>>17903357 (OP)
honestly just looking at the weave type is enough to disprove it
herringbone weave wasn’t even possible until floorlooms in the 900s came around
that’s why the first church documents about it say it’s probably not real

>>17903569
>herringbone weave
It's Herringbone twill, which is possible since ancient times, albeit very expensive (Just as the Bible says)

The Image does not penetrate past 2 microfibers which is IMPOSSIBLE even with modern lasers

>>17903574
Where does the Bible say the shroud was herringbone twill?

>>17903563
Did 1st century Jewish burial practices involved wrapping up the body like a springroll?

>>17903558
Muslims love to charge infidels to just make a scripture as perfect as the Quran, and yet none of them even try. Islam is true, QED

>>17903357 (OP)
Wasn't this dated to the 14th century a while ago? I have no idea why this was ever meant to be a big deal lol.

>>17903357 (OP)
>Moraes created two different 3D models: one of a human body and one of a low-relief sculpture of a human body
So two sculptures

>>17903637
Even in the 14th century people thought it was a fake.

>>17903641
>Even in the 14th century people thought it was a fake.
If I am not wrong, isn't only Catholics who accept it?

>>17903645
Even 14th century Catholics thought it was nonsense.

>>17903649
Grim.

>>17903357 (OP)
It's good to have these studies but honestly you just need to read the bible and see how tge deceased were buried at the time of jesus; a single piece of cloth laid all over the body was just not a thing

>>17903388
Stfu shintoist schizo

>>17903388
You need to be violently killed

>>17903574
Herringbone twill was NOT available until the 1400s

>>17903792
Except it was...

>>17903807

Based.

>>17903782

Why?

>>17903388
>US. IT WAS US.
There is no "us", you're just a schizophrenic loser with an empty life. Those people would spit in your face and kick you down the gutter into the feces that you so resemble.

>>17903853

>christians would ice a fellow christian for defending the glory of Christ

>>17903357 (OP)
>>17903384
Shalom, rabbi.

>>17903419
>finally.
dude I've read this argument in the 1980s. pic alsorelated.

>>17903596
The Bible says Jesus was given a tomb by his rich follower

>>17903628
They don't

>>17904289
Where does it say that the shroud was herringbone twill anon?

>>17903628
Where?
Give me the link. Easy money right there

>>17903388
Ok, but that doesn't make your tradition or theology true.

>>17903388
It's true that science was founded in Christian Europe, but how much of that was directly from Christianity as opposed to a system that was a byproduct of Christianity is up for debate. While they were Christian, their actions were Luciferian in nature. In many ways, counter-Christian, while the early scientists were Christians, and justified what they were doing as discovering god in the world, this is basically a false teaching, it's literally worldliness repackaged,

I would argue that most Christians make a mockery of Christian teachings and Christ. The early Christians were hardcore; now even the orthodox are worldly, and the orthodox were the more worldly Christians back in the first few centuries after Christ as well. It's only the orthodox monks that really try to live the teachings

John 12:25 - Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will preserve it for eternal life

Tech makes me love life. I would have died painfully and slowly if not for modern medicine due to a chronic illness I played no part in developing. I love my indoor heating, I love my high-protein diet, and not having to do back-breaking labour. I find myself being pushed away from Christ, not because of onions science, but because the more I get into Christianity, the more I realise that not to make a mockery of Christ would mean total decadence and complete loss in my ability to act in the real world.

My impulse to actually improve the world, my own life, and to build are anti-Christian, yet undeniably good. If we were true Christians, we would drop out of society, not have children and live in splinter communities waiting and preparing for Christ, yet we don't. I, for one, can't.

Science is a more pagan in origin as it is more worldly, but the society it sprang out of was Christian. This is because the social order created by the church put pressure on and refined those in it, and allowed for the creation of science.

>>17903357 (OP)
I don't really believe the Shroud is real, like most medieval relics is false, but you can't just prove it with a 3d model of 90 years old photos

>>17903388
Rare based Simon.

>>17903782
There is what demonic oppression looks like. Irrationally cursing God’s people. Grim.

>>17903357 (OP)
>from Brazil
>expert

>>17905463
>God’s people
That's a troll lmao. Retarded jew wannabe

>>17903388
White people innovated DESPITE Christianity. So many centuries of innovation that could of occurred if Christ cuckies would stop chimping out every time someone suggested that the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe and that there was something beyond the atmosphere.

>>17903357 (OP)
https://youtu.be/x9SmNWxXKrs

>>17903357 (OP)
so if it was on Jesus's body it could never have been placed on a statue

>>17907106
"White people" were a race of subhumans with no redeeming quality until they were Christianized