If Spanish Conquistadors pulled up at, let's say, India or Chida. Do you think they would have succeeded in Conquering land and enslaving people?

>>17904709 (OP)
No. They were lucky to beat the Aztecs as is.

>>17904709 (OP)
Yes. Without a doubt.

>>17904709 (OP)
>India
Yes
Definitely

>>17904709 (OP)
The conquistadors as a military force are exaggerated, there was only like a thousand of them during the conquest of the Aztec "Empire".

>>17904709 (OP)
The conquest of Goa by the Portuguese was very much a conquistador style affair with a miniscule number of European soldiers defeating a massive empire through noticing and exploiting local divisions to get some native groups behind their banner, and coming out on top against all odds due to good luck, superior tactics, and extreme tenacity.

I definitely recommend reading about it, it's every bit as impressive as the conquest of the aztec and inca, if not more so because there was not the same technology gap.

>>17904770
>Good luck
You mean being blessed by the Holy Trinity?

>>17904709 (OP)
Yes

>>17904769
>The conquistadors as a military force are exaggerated
At Cajamarca every Spanish conquistador slayed like 40 Peruvians

>>17904709 (OP)
On one hand, both India and China already have access to guns and explosives

On another hand, their victory was the result of leading the revolt

It is not impossible for the Spanish to lead the oppressed people of both nations to rise up for their benefit but, at the same time, it is hard to say how the rulers would be able to respond.

>>17904726
Lmao

>>17904799
Just because the Indians sucked at fighting doesn't mean the Conquistadors were invincible supermen. Do you really think the same would happen against the more war-like peoples of Asia?

>>17904709 (OP)
A couple of ports and uneven trade deals?
Sure.
The complete destruction of the local order and total control over an entire continent like the new world?
Hell no.

>>17904810
>the more war-like peoples of Asia?
Battles against Asians during this period always show chinese and indians getting mogged by small spanish or european forces. They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number

>>17904769

This

They only took the city of Tenochtitlan and lost 2/3rds of their forces in the process. But the conquest of what is now Mexico was project that took 200 years to complete.

>>17904709 (OP)
>>17904769
>>17905270
You know the conquistadors fought Chinese, Japanese ronin, and SEA pirates right? Th

>>17904709 (OP)
No, because European success in the Americas was wholly dependent upon disease wiping out 90% of the population for them. Even with the technological imbalance they had no choice of success without that "super weapon".

>>17905270
>They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number
...Which goes back to my original point about the size of the conquistador forces.

>>17905270
>trusting european history books

>>17905273
>>17904769
>1000 conquistadors took over an entire empire
>somehow their achievement are exaggerated
/his/ everyone

>>17904810
Most conquistadors were VETERAN soldiers from either the Italian Wars or the Reconquista. They werehardened professionals not amateurs

>>17905335
The conquest of the Americas is more due to exploration than combat.
>>17905343
Source for that? As far as I know a conquistador was just any sailor who happened to be on the expedition.

>>17905353
Yes and all these magically discovered new land just ended up being parts of Spanish territory

>>17905353
the under 18 and the mentally retarded should abstain from posting

>>17905363
>Yes and all these magically discovered new land just ended up being parts of Spanish territory
Yes? It's not like there were any states to contest the lands other than the Inca and the Aztecs, who of course, were not very great warriors.

>>17905335
>empire
The Aztecs weren't an empire. They were a small tributary state that shook down their neighbors for cacao and slaves. Just the biggest ooga booga in a valley of ooga boogas.
>1000 conquistadors
Tenochtitlan is a given, but most of Mexico was conquered by their vassals. When I say conquered, I mean they did the fighting.

>>17905370
it's not exploration you retard. they weren't sailing the world pro bono just to write science book

they did so they can steal your fucking gold and resources

you're the type of idiot who thinks the USA starts wars for freedom

>>17905373
I should verify that I mean that the Spanish conquest of the Americas for the most part was no different from English or French exploration of the new world, more exploring building settlements than fighting.

No, becuase those countries were unified? Forget the Black Legend shit, most of Spain's 'troops' were local allies.

>>17905377
no its fucking not. they were there to steal shit. why do you think they were so rabid about finding gold all the time

even then what you're describing is genocidal settler colonialism you rabbi

>>17905385
And, the aztecs were even worse you imam

>>17905385
I wasn't trying to imply the Conquistadors were benevolent but it's not true that the colonization of the Americas was 100% violence all the time over even most of the time.

>>17905371
Tenochtitlan was a 500,000 inhabitants city with an empire the size of Central Europe. The whole conquest of Mexico with all of its cities-state was the same than conquering a continent the size of Europe, the last Mayan kingdom fell in 1683 actually.

But Spain at the time of Habsbourgs conquered Tunis fighting Ottomans and Moors, as well in 1535 and Portugal in 1580s decade fighting a coallition made up by Portugal, France, England and Dutch rebels.

>>17905384
>Black Legend
Lmao
Spaniard who complain about the black legend are so annoying.

Being seen as a rapist mass killer is waaaay cooler than whatever bullshit the pink legend tries to promote

>>17905394
Because southamericans assume it gives them any moral ground over anything we spanish say, even though nearly all of them descend more from europeans than indians.

>>17905335
This

>>17904726
The Portuguese always have the strangest and most random stories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Godinho_de_Erédia
>His mother was Dona Elena Vessiva from Sulawesi, a Bugis princess, the daughter of La Putebulu the recently baptized King of Suppa.

>>17905343
/This

>>17905371
>The Aztecs weren't an empire. They were a small tributary state that shook down their neighbors for cacao and slaves.
This is true for literally every pre-medieval Empire.

>>17905335
This is how brownoids have to cope

>>17905371
Dominating vassals and having them fight for you is still conquering


>>17905373
>muh america out of nowhere

kek obsessed shitholer

>>17906013
Negro you indonesian

>>17905335

You ESL faggots need to learn how to read English. They took over a city, not an empire.

Yes, their achievements are exaggerated. If you actually did any reading, you'd know that individual conquistadors were given land, title, and stipends based on accomplishments during expeditions. So there was a huge incentive to bullshit and spin a tale.

>>17905270
>Battles against Asians during this period always show chinese and indians getting mogged by small spanish or european forces. They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number

Another weeb incel.

The Japanese got slaughtered by outnumbered Portuguese at Fukuda Bay. Japan has overwhelming numerical superiority and lost more dead.

China defeated the Portuguese multiple times at Tamão and Veniaga with the same ratio the Japanese faced

China also defeated the Dutch multiple times like at Liaoluo bay and the Pescadores (Penghu)

China captured Portuguese and Dutch ships and didn't lose a single combat ship against them.

If China only won through sheer overwhelming numbers then why did the Japanese, who had sheer overwhelming numbers, get slaughtered by the Portuguese and China didn't?

Chinese also butchered Dutch musketeers led by Captain Thomas Pedel outside of Fort Provintia in Taiwan in 1661.

Fort Provintia instantly surrendered without a fight.

>They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number

Chinese civilians armed with knives mass beheaded Spanish Governor general Gomez Pérez Dasmariñas and all his Spanish soldiers in 1593.

They didn't have overwhelming numbers, they didn't have military grade weapons, they weren't even soldiers.

Keep coping incel.

>>17906198
A few hundred guys taking over a city at the center of a region wide protection racket is actually huge, hasn’t been repeated historically btw.
White people are really impressive.
>Spanish White
You’re Jewish.

>>17905316
Spanish governor generals were beheaded by Chinese civilians (craftsmen, carpenters, blacksmiths) who were armed with knives and never even faced the Chinese military.

Spain never engaged any Chinese military forces.

Chinese civilians without guns beheaded two Spanish governor generals and their guards.

The regular Chinese army had cannons and muskets.

>>17906212

It wasn't a few hundred guys you retard, learn to do some basic reading. It was 1200 Spaniards and 200,000 Mesoamerican warriors, that took the city in a 3 month long siege.

>>17904937
>A couple of ports and uneven trade deals?

They could not even get that.

The entire Spanish invasion army was massacred in Cambodia in 1599.

Spain tried invading Moro sultanates for 300 years and failed.

Spain paid tribute to Zheng Jing after he threatened to invade Manila.

Spain abandoned all the Moluccas in 1663 when threatened with invasion in Manila by Chinese.

>>17905270
>They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number

Spain boasts about defeating stone age Aztecs with a few hundred men (atked with steel, guns and cannon and hundreds of thousands of native allies)

And then cries about being outnumbered when getting beaten and says it's not fair.

You can't win through sheer numbers retard. Life isn't a video game. Japanese tried spamming human waves against Portuguese ships when boarding and got massacred.

China sank and captured Portuguese and Dutch ships without losing any combat vessels.

>>17906212
>hasn’t been repeated historically btw.

It hasn't been repeated because Spanish conquistadors got massacred when trying the same in Cambodia.

Aztecs died in the millions of smallpox and Spain had hundreds of thousands of native allies.

Aztecs only had stone age weapons and no horses, against Spanish cavalry, steel and guns.

Chinese, Cambodians and Moros don't drop dead from smallpox en masse.

>>17904770
>The conquest of Goa by the

>, if not more so because there was not the same technology gap.

There's a reason why they only held coastal ports like Goa, retard.

>>17904799
At Cajamarca Spanish troops armed with steel armour, swords, cannons and muskets, entrenched in stone fortifications fought unarmed Indios with no weapons or armour.

Hundreds of thousands of Incas already died of smallpox which caused a civil war.

>>17906054
And I have the moral fortitude to call out my fellow browns on their bad behavior

>>17906258
The civil war happened before the Spaniards showed up

>>17906258
>At Cajamarca Spanish troops armed with steel armour, swords, cannons and muskets, entrenched in stone fortifications fought unarmed Indios with no weapons or armour.
Based

>>17906258
Pretty fucking funny

>>17904709 (OP)
They hardcore struggled against the tribes of fucking FLORIDA for fuck sakes.

>>17904726
take note of that "to disease"

>>17905476

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atuwatse_I

>Olu Atuwatse I (Olu Dom Domingos) was the 7th Olu of Warri who ruled over the Warri Kingdom. He was the son to Olu Atorongboye (Olu Sebastian) and succeeded his father Olu Atorongboye (Olu Sebastian) as the 7th Olu of Warri. He was initially home-schooled by his father and the Bishop in Ode-Itsekiri, which resulted in his ability to read and write in Portuguese. He was educated in Portugal from 1600 to 1611. He returned to Warri Kingdom as a graduate, making him the first graduate in Sub Saharan Africa Olu Dom Domingos was the second Christian Olu to rule Warri Kingdom. He married a Portuguese noblewoman, Maria Pereira, before returning to Nigeria with her in 1611.

>While in Portugal, Dom Domingos married a Portuguese noblewoman, Maria Pereira, in June 1610, and returned to the Warri Kingdom with her in 1611. His return introduced European education and Catholic influence into Itsekiri royal circles.[10]
Upon his father's death around 1623, he ascended the throne as Olu Atuwatse I, becoming the 7th Olu of Warri. His reign, lasting until approximately 1643, saw the consolidation of Catholicism within the court and the introduction of European regalia, including a silver crown commissioned from Portugal.[11]
>Olu Atuwatse I was the first Christian Olu to marry a Portuguese woman, setting a precedent followed by his son, Olu Antonio Domingo. His reign strengthened diplomatic and religious ties between Warri and Portugal, embedding European cultural elements into the kingdom's governance and symbolism.[12]
>He died around 1643 and was buried at Ijala Royal Cemetery in Ijala community. He was succeeded by his son, Olu Oyenakpagha (Antonio Domingo).[13][14][15]

Imagine watching your kings bleach their bloodline so now your children have to call an octoroon king lmao

>>17905476
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atuwatse_I

>Olu Atuwatse I (Olu Dom Domingos) was the 7th Olu of Warri who ruled over the Warri Kingdom. He was the son to Olu Atorongboye (Olu Sebastian) and succeeded his father Olu Atorongboye (Olu Sebastian) as the 7th Olu of Warri. He was initially home-schooled by his father and the Bishop in Ode-Itsekiri, which resulted in his ability to read and write in Portuguese. He was educated in Portugal from 1600 to 1611. He returned to Warri Kingdom as a graduate, making him the first graduate in Sub Saharan Africa Olu Dom Domingos was the second Christian Olu to rule Warri Kingdom. He married a Portuguese noblewoman, Maria Pereira, before returning to Nigeria with her in 1611.

>While in Portugal, Dom Domingos married a Portuguese noblewoman, Maria Pereira, in June 1610, and returned to the Warri Kingdom with her in 1611. His return introduced European education and Catholic influence into Itsekiri royal circles.[10]
>Upon his father's death around 1623, he ascended the throne as Olu Atuwatse I, becoming the 7th Olu of Warri. His reign, lasting until approximately 1643, saw the consolidation of Catholicism within the court and the introduction of European regalia, including a silver crown commissioned from Portugal.[11]
>Olu Atuwatse I was the first Christian Olu to marry a Portuguese woman, setting a precedent followed by his son, Olu Antonio Domingo. His reign strengthened diplomatic and religious ties between Warri and Portugal, embedding European cultural elements into the kingdom's governance and symbolism.[12]
>He died around 1643 and was buried at Ijala Royal Cemetery in Ijala community. He was succeeded by his son, Olu Oyenakpagha (Antonio Domingo).[13][14][15]

Imagine watching your kings bleach their bloodline so now your children have to call an octoroon king lmao

>>17907168
Indian dying of disease I don't believe it

>>17904709 (OP)

>Would Christchads be able to BTFO pagans?

Yes.

>>17907416
Other negro Muslims and Pajeet Muslim rulers who converted to Christianity were married to Portuguese girls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%93rf%C3%A3s_d%27El-Rei

>The Órfãs d'El-Rei (Portuguese: [ˈɔɾfɐ̃ʒ dɛlˈʁej], lit.'orphans of the king') were Portuguese girl orphans who were sent from Portugal to overseas colonies during the Portuguese Empire as part of Portugal's colonization efforts. The orphans were married to native rulers or Portuguese settlers.[1]

>Native rulers
>Some Órfãs d'El-Rei married native rulers who were either in exile or allied to the Portuguese.[4][34]

>The exiled former ruler (liwali) of Pemba converted to Christianity from Islam and was married to an órfã do rei named Dona Anna de Sepulveda in 1607. He also changed his name to Felipe da Gama, Dom Filipe, or Philip. However, he later reverted to Islam.[35][36][37][38][39] A son, Estevão was born of their marriage.[40] He was exiled from Pemba to Mombasa in 1596.[41]

>In the 1500s the exiled ruler of the Maldives, Hassan converted to Christianity and also married a Portuguese orphan.[42] Her name was D. Francisca de Vasconcelos.[43][44][45][46] The Portuguese girls also in Goa married native high caste Christians.[47]

>One of the Portuguese orphans kidnapped by the Dutch privateer ended up in Akbar the Great's harem.[48]

>>17904709 (OP)
>ayo we wuz strong n shiet
>gets raped into existence by a couple of moors for 800 years

>>17906978
The Seminole were hardcore

>>17906207
>>17906233
>>17906245
China anon, take your meds. This is a good way to farm social credit but you should know when your race is beat

>>17904709 (OP)
No not at least in the 1500 and 1600s when the tech was similar. Even if the spanish had better tactics they'd be overrun by human waves tactics.

>>17907776
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/711Tarik1.asp

Medieval Sourcebook:
Al Maggari: Tarik's Address to His Soldiers, 711 CE, from The Breath of Perfumes
Tarik was the Muslim leader who lead the conquest of Spain.

Tarik's Address to His Soldiers, 711 CE

When Tarik had been informed of the approach of the enemy, he rose in the midst of his companions and, after having glorified God in the highest, he spoke to his soldiers thus:

"Oh my warriors, whither would you flee? Behind you is the sea, before you, the enemy. You have left now only the hope of your courage and your constancy. Remember that in this country you are more unfortunate than the orphan seated at the table of the avaricious master. Your enemy is before you, protected by an innumerable army; he has men in abundance, but vou, as your only aid, have your own swords, and, as your only chance for life, such chance as you can snatch from the hands of your enemy. If the absolute want to which you are reduced is prolonged ever so little, if you delay to seize immediate success, your good fortune will vanish, and your enemies, whom your very presence has filled with fear, will take courage. Put far from you the disgrace from which you flee in dreams, and attack this monarch who has left his strongly fortified city to meet you. Here is a splendid opportunity to defeat him, if you will consent to expose yourselves freelv to death. Do not believe that I desire to incite you to face dangers which I shall refuse to share with you. In the attack I myself will be in the fore, where the chance of life is always least.

>>17907776
>>17907826
"Remember that if you suffer a few moments in patience, you will afterward enjoy supreme delight. Do not imagine that your fate can be separated from mine, and rest assured that if you fall, I shall perish with you, or avenge you. You have heard that in this country there are a large number of ravishingly beautiful Greek maidens, their graceful forms are draped in sumptuous gowns on which gleam pearls, coral, and purest gold, and they live in the palaces of royal kings. The Commander of True Believers, Alwalid, son of Abdalmelik, has chosen you for this attack from among all his Arab warriors; and he promises that you shall become his comrades and shall hold the rank of kings in this country. Such is his confidence in your intrepidity. The one fruit which he desires to obtain from your bravery is that the word of God shall be exalted in this country, and that the true religion shall be established here. The spoils will belong to yourselves.

"Remember that I place myself in the front of this glorious charge which I exhort you to make. At the moment when the two armies meet hand to hand, you will see me, never doubt it, seeking out this Roderick, tyrant of his people, challenging him to combat, if God is willing. If I perish after this, I will have had at least the satisfaction of delivering you, and you will easily find among you an experienced hero, to whom you can confidently give the task of directing you. But should I fall before I reach to Roderick, redouble your ardor, force yourselves to the attack and achieve the conquest of this country, in depriving him of life. With him dead, his soldiers will no longer defy you."

Source.

From: Charles F. Horne, ed., The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East, (New York: Parke, Austin, & Lipscomb, 1917), Vol. VI: Medieval Arabia, pp. 241-242

>>17904799
Probably a fake number from the spanish to begin with, but if you actually read the accounts from the conquistadors, they were killing unarmed men trapped in a town square

>>17905335
The spanish did the minority of the fighting in the conquest of both Mexico and Peru. They also tended to lose quite often without native allies helping them

>>17907776
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17900076/#17900143

>>17905968
Not really, I'd say to any bronze age empire. In fact we could argue that these american cultures were in some sort of bronze age themselves, without the necessary tools they simply couldn't evolve and didnt stand a chance against the europeans

>>17905270
>>17906213
>>17906233
>>17906245
>They only ever won through sheer overwhelming number

A few dozen Chinese beheaded the Spanish governor general and his troops in 1603 again after doing it in 1593.

Filipinos outnumbered the Chinese civilians and came to put the rebellion down.

Spanish/Filipinos had overwhelming numbers when fighting Chinese civilians and Spanish soldiers and their commanders got killed every time.

>>17906198
Exactly this. Besides in the siege of tenochtitlan they barely made it out lmao

>>17906212
>muh white people
Nigger, get a history book, most of spanish people are mixed with arabs since the 800s, besides most of Spaniards going to america were from granada(andalusia)

>>17906269
Exactly, the whole of the americas were in a say dark ages period. The europeans came in and put the last nail in the coffin

The Spanish woman conquistadora María de Estrada was a sex slave of a native chief after being captured at Matanzas in Cuba.

Some white Spanish women were also captured by Mapuche in Chile.

>>17907735
The Portuguese actually almost had a duel marriage with the Negus of Ethiopia
>in 1427, emperor yeshaq of ethiopia proposed a double marriage between king alfonso of portugal's family but ultimately, it was akongo kingdom royal -Antonio vereira that married into the Portuguese royal family

>>17907860
Necessary tools being an IQ above 95.
They lost because they were retarded and Europeans are high quality men. That’s the obvious conclusion no one wants to admit because it means two things:
One, dialectical materialism is wrong, it is biological determinism that drives history.
Two, the decline in Europeans is catastrophic, borderline worse than any natural catastrophe.

>>17904709 (OP)
No. Considering the closest thing to them did pull up to India and China and only managed to take hold of a few Islands, Coastal Forts, and the Sultante of Malacca. They used the exact same playbook, too. Considering how the Chinese played a central role in Albuquerque taking Malacca.

>>17906251
>There's a reason why they only held coastal ports like Goa
To secure favorable trade routes?

>>17904709 (OP)
No the East India company took a century to conquer India and it was much much more advanced than Spain and Portugal

>>17904709 (OP)
Is China THE /his/torical filter? Why do they rarely, if ever, get conquered, beside ports? I really don't think any nation could totally control it without assimilating towards it.

>>17908453
Jurchen (Manchu) rebel leader Wang Gao was sliced to death (lingchi aka death by a thousand cuts) by Han Chinese during the Mimg dynasty.

His sons Atai 阿台 and Ahai 阿海were both killed.

>Wang Gao (王杲): a Jianzhou Jurchen awarded a position of command in Jianzhou. He was put to death by lingchi at Beijing in 1575 due to repeated raids into Ming border territories. He is said to be Nurhaci's maternal great-grandfather or maternal grandfather.

Jurchens (Manchus) like Yishiha were castrated as eunuch slaves by Han Chinese.

>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also rendered as Išiqa and Isiha;[1] Jurchen: i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451), sinicized name Yi Xin (易信), was a Jurchen eunuch of the Ming dynasty of China. He served the Ming emperors who commissioned several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]

>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]

>>17908453
Han Chinese conquered and raped the Xiongnu nomads in Mongolia during the Qin dynasty and Han dynasty and conquered and raped the Gokturk Khaganate and Khitan Mongolic nomads in Mongolia during the Tang dynasty, centuries before the Mongol empire.

Han Chinese in the Ming dynasty conquered and raped Jurchens/Manchus and ruled them for 200 years taking Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and concubines.

Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia in the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, long before the Mongol empire ever emerged and before Genghis was born.

Han Chinese conquered and raped nomadic empires, Vietnam and Korea multiple times. Korea was conquered by the Han and ruled as the four commanderies and Vietnam was ruled for a millennia and the Qin dynasty, Han dynasty and Tang dynasty all raped the nomads in Mongolia.

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/pHt-lhMjXJvRH6pAAr2uOw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/Vu-PXrGG73bCbuyM8Ibb6Q/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/naOxYW9AkfHZHjVshZlZ2A/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/qdoW12q9DD_dNvh95UaE_g/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/mx00dcPWJm9teliGMnkfrw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/aJYKiIksnWKkAcVNkgbh3w/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nfgBvHWuNQv_NoHJxNB76A/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/N4IhdgqiHOUe9kyuo0KVLg/

the first nomadic monuments in Mongolia are steles of butthurt about how China conquered and enslaved them

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/K-WuVFsrHmLCgl6kJ46sWw/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/D_8eCaQRwrjUyhP7TqOiew/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/nz89bbmUZWYmn67R2zm0GA/

https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/WsCQx3zR9L_onMBsdvqY1g/
https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/F57HIHuYmGA_iuWylbTvJg/

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14384109/#q14385989

The Tang dynasty butchered nomadic Mongolic Khitan men and distributed their women and chidren as slaves to their officers and vassals.

>>17908453
>>17908478
>>17908480
Han Chinese repeatedly conquered and raped Mongolia and Jurchens centuries before the Mongol empire and Qing.

Han Chinese conquered and raped Mongolia centuries before the Mongol empire was founded and Genghis Khan was born. If ruling over a place means everyone in it was raped, then all Mongols are raped cross bred descendants of Han Chinese raping their ancestors.

If Mongols ruling an area makes everyone mixed with Mongols (the Mongols conquered and raped and ruled for centuries all the way to Anatolia and Aleppo and conquered and raped Romania and Korea as well), then all off Asia from Korea to Romania to Iraq and the Syrian cities of Damascus and Aleppo are Mongol hybrids. As well as Austrians and Hungarians.
>>>/k/50520707


>>>/k/50520718
>China wasn't subjugated by foreigners. The non-Han dynasties were rebel subjects of preceding Han Chinese dynasties, not foreign invaders.

>The region of Mongolia was raped and conquered by Tang dynasty China centuries before the Mongol empire existed.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10403196

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/45518168

https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/48235048

>>>/k/48235048

>Steppe nomads like the southern Xiongnu, Jie, Di, Qiang, An lushan's rebels and the non-nomadic sedentary farmer Jianzhou Jurchens were all conquered, subjugated and deported as slaves by Han Chinese BEFORE they revolted against they Han masters to establish their own dynasties. China was never conquered by an external political entity.


Since conquest and rule = mass breeding and rape, all Mongols and Vietnamese are crossbred with Han Chinese genes since China ruled Vietnam for 1,000 years and ruled Mongolia for centuries under the Tang dynasty before the Mongol empire.

>>17908453
>>17908478
>>17908480
>>17908483
An Lushan lost the war, he was hacked to death, all his sons were killed and his people were genocided and massacred by Gao Juren.

>>17908003
>1427
Interesting, but that was Alfonso V of Aragon.
At the time, the king of Portugal was John of Avis and his only daughter was to marry the duke of Burgundy, Philip the Good, whose forces captured Joan of Arc

>>17904709 (OP)
>If Spanish Conquistadors pulled up at, let's say, India or Chida

>>17904799
>citing the ambush and bushwacking of a bunch of unsuspecting diplomats coming to discuss peace talks as an example of military might

>>17904709 (OP)
Of course not. They got very lucky with encountering a basically stone (or bronze at best) age civilization that also experienced severe population collapse due to an onslaught of disease. The outcome wouldn't have been in their favor in any other circumstance.

>>17908035
>It is biological determinism that drives history.
Then according to the biological determinism theory, what drove the Spanish Empire to get humilliated before collapsing after the other the Empires caught up in wealth? Are Spaniards lesser whites?

>>17904709 (OP)
India absolutely. India is a shithole with no actual history. When Alexander found it he realized the stories about Semiramis or Dionysus visiting Indian were not possible, those stories must have took place somewhere else that people thought was India. The actual India was full of primitive naked people. I’ve argued for years that hindu mythology is largely the result of corrupted Greek and middle eastern myths. There is a theory that Ashoka was actually Diodotus I and it makes so much sense the only reason it’s not mainstream is because they don’t want to hurt Indians feelings.

I can’t imagine the Spaniards would have fucked the Indian women the way they did with the natives.

>>17904709 (OP)
Its not exactly speculative, what exactly do you think the Portuguese and Dutch were up to over there?

>>17908035
why did spaniards lose and get raped into being by moors for 800 years? biological determinism of course

>>17909601
>what exactly do you think the Portuguese and Dutch were up to over there?
Networking

>>17909747
The Visigoths lost, not Spaniards

>>17906212
spaniards are quite literally and unironically straight up nigger rapebabies

>>17909754
visigoths got civilized and raped by moors, niggers, jews and arabs, creating modern iberberians

>>17904716
>lucky
midwit take. You can look at any significant historical event or battle and claim it all came down to luck, especially if, in retrospect, you analyze the events like a domino effect leading to unpredictable outcomes that might seem like the product of fate. However, each domino had to be pushed, and each fall triggered a reaction from the parties involved. How they reacted, based on the resources and knowledge they had at the time, is what truly matters.
The Spaniards knew how to manage extremely scarce resources and make full use of their technological and political advantages to defeat the Aztecs (and this comes from someone who admires the Aztec Empire). Blaming it solely on diseases, for example, is unreasonable, because without alliances with other peoples, without the technological and military superiority to secure such alliances, and without the courage to ultimately carry out a military confrontation despite all the initial disadvantages, none of it would have been possible
Even taking everything into account, it was by all measures an impressive feat. It is about making the most of the few advantages that arise and using them at exactly the right moment. The plague and disease would have been useless if they had not attacked at the right time. Therefore, that same skill, passion for conquest, and drive for exploration would probably have yielded positive results in other scenarios and parts of the world, regardless of luck

>militarily dominates Europe for almost five decades
problem?

>>17909841
If it hadn't been for disease there's no way they could have ultimately succeeded thoughbeit. Without successive waves of disease wiping out large portions of the native populace, the Spaniards wouldn't have been able to so thoroughly colonize and spread their culture and genes.

>>17909755
>pale germ women got turned into this
im gonna cum

>>17909841
>make full use of their technological and political advantages to defeat the Aztecs

You do realize the Tlaxcalans and their allies had been fighting the Aztecs for years when the Spanish showed up? If you read the accounts of the conquistadors themselves, they talk about how their alliance with the Tlaxcalans came about in the first place - they were being attacked by the Tlaxcalans, and were asking for peace for days. They attribute the Tlaxcalan decision to spare them a divine intervention from god - from there, they were helping the Tlaxcalans fight their existing enemy, the Triple Alliance.

>>1790470
No. Indians and Chinese were almost on par with Europeans technologically-wise unlike Amerindians who never got past the Neolithic in the South and the Mesolithic in the North.

>>17910272
>Those ugly troll feet
Someone deport that whore back to Mordor.

>>17909601
The Portuguese and Dutch Wast India Company lost wars with Ming China.

Portugal rented Macau by paying 500 taels of silver annually and didn't exercise sovereignty over it until after the British attacked in the first opium war centuries later.

>>17906207
Japan defeated China, Japan took Korea, Japan took Liaodong

>>17911410
Japan took Liaodong in the Imjin war? Which alternate reality did you come from?

>>17910912
she's a moor whore

In India they could probably establish a couple coastal enclaves, but that would be it. The Mughals could field tens of thousands of soldiers compared to the couple hundred the conquistadors would have, so if a conflict broke out, it would be over for them.

>>17905393
Not 1697?

>>17910272
She looks more like a hapa than nafri

>>17911786
she's moroccan.

>>17911790

>>17911793
>iberians got subjugated and ruled for 8 centuries by this

>No. Indians and Chinese were almost on par with Europeans technologically-wise unlike Amerindians who never got past the Neolithic in the South and the Mesolithic in the North
In the andes and in mesoamerica they were already at the bronze age.
It has been found that the huastec region controled by the aztec empire was an important place for bronze tools prdouction.
The tarascan empire and the western mesoamerica also commerced the bronze to the aztecs, since it was the most important place for metalurgy.
Bernal Diaz del castillo also commented about a bronze Axe in the tlatelolco market (one of the biggest markets in the world at the time).
https://books.openedition.org/cemca/4040

>Aztecs only had stone age weapons and no horses, against Spanish cavalry, steel and guns.
I have already said the aztecs did use metal axes in combat, but also they did tried to use the weapons of the conquistadors.
We know that cuitlahuac and cuauhtemoc made the spaniard war prisioners to produce Crossbows, and they wanted so bad to capture a spaniard boat, so they could also copy this tecnology.

>Necessary tools being an IQ above 95.
They lost because they were retarded and Europeans are high quality men. That’s the obvious conclusion no one wants to admit because it means two things:
One, dialectical materialism is wrong, it is biological determinism that drives history.Two, the decline in Europeans is catastrophic, borderline worse than any natural catastrophe.
That logic falls when you know amerindians are just ANE mixed with mongoloids.
The reason why mesoamerica didnt develop technology as eurasia is rather because there was no other civilization in the americas like them, only the guys in the andes were the only others to develop cities, and they were kilometers and kilometers in distance.
They did met each other, since the andes guys traveled by boats to the west of mesoamerica, but this contact was brief.
At say true is amazing what mesoamerican civilizations did without any other civilization helping them, like the invention of writing systems (they are 1 of the 5 civilizations to create writing systems without any help), great infraestructure (calzadas, mayan pavimented roadways, mayan and central altiplane aqueducts, and the Nezahualcoyotl albaradon) and arquitecture that was admired by the conquistadors, great art like scultures (aztec and mayan monolithes) and paintings (cacaxtla and bombapak) and the milpa system, which made the soil productive even more than the eurasian rotative systems.

>Necessary tools being an IQ above 95.They lost because they were retarded and Europeans are high quality men.That’s the obvious conclusion no one wants to admit because it means two things:One, dialectical materialism is wrong, it is biological determinism that drives history.Two, the decline in Europeans is catastrophic, borderline worse than any natural catastrophe.
That logic falls when you know amerindians are just ANE mixed with mongoloids.
The reason why mesoamerica didnt develop technology as eurasia is rather because there was no other civilization in the americas like them, only the guys in the andes were the only others to develop cities, and they were kilometers and kilometers in distance.
They did met each other, since the andes guys traveled by boats to the west of mesoamerica, but this contact was brief.
At say true is amazing what mesoamerican civilizations did without any other civilization helping them, like the invention of writing systems (they are 1 of the 5 civilizations to create writing systems without any help), great infraestructure (calzadas, mayan pavimented roadways, mayan and central altiplane aqueducts, and the Nezahualcoyotl albaradon) and arquitecture that was admired by the conquistadors, great art like scultures (aztec and mayan monolithes) and paintings (cacaxtla and bombapak) and the milpa system, which made the soil productive even more than the eurasian rotative systems.

>>17904726
What an ass whooping

>>17909372
Cope and Seethe Peruvian

>>17912074
Peruvians are Chads while spajeets are poopoo like all other spics (but Peruvians, Paraguayans and Bolivians)

>>17912232
ecuadorians, guatemalans and southern mexicans are also indios

>ecuadorians, guatemalans and southern mexicans are also indios
Ecuatorians are mixed asf.
As a mexican mestizo i can tell you that the nicest people here are indeed the indios, specially the yucatecans.

>>17912263
Peninsula indios are chill af

>>17911131
The Portuguese did what they wanted in Macau and the Jesuits had access to the Emperor

>>17909841
The technological advantages really didn't matter that much considering it was literally just 500 guys, and only 10-15 of them had arquebusiers. The real advantage came from them rallying the nearby tribes to literally surround the aztecs and destroy them.

>>17910272
>germ
Do you mean Germanic?

>>17909755
You're reaching. I'm an American, but the entire country of Spain has around 4% (maximum) North African admixture. Andalusia and Extremadura it's roughly around 10%.

88-90% of the country has non-African genetic ancestry.

You sound like a muslim living in Europe who is incredibly insecure of the rape-babies all along North Africa, which in many cases has DOUBLE the admixture from Greek and/or Italian ancestry than Spain does from North Africa.

>>17912442
average iberian looked like this

>>17910272
>germ
Do you mean Germanic?

>>17909755
You're reaching. I'm an American, but the entire country of Spain has around 4% (maximum) North African admixture. Andalusia and Extremadura it's roughly around 10%.

96% of the country has non-African genetic ancestry.

You sound like a muslim living in Europe who is incredibly insecure of the rape-babies all along North Africa, which in many cases has DOUBLE the admixture from Greek and/or Italian ancestry than Spain does from North Africa.

>>17912446
>average iberian looked nothing like an Iberian

Color me shook

>>17912442
Average spaniards are 12% north african, 12% arab and 2-3% nigger autosomally speaking (and yes, the admixture dated to Al- Andalus) the only ones that aren't mongrels are basques who are less than 2% of the total population

>>17912449
>>17912448
Half of Andalusia originate from the hairy ball sack of a Moor. They are fixed mulattoes.

>The frequency of haplotype 5 at the Y-chromosome-specific DNA polymorphism (p49/TaqI) was reported in a study of 487 males originating from five different geographic locations in Iberia and North Africa. The highest frequency of haplotype 5 (68.9%) was previously observed in Berbers from Morocco, and it has been established that this haplotype is a characteristic Berber haplotype in North Africa. The relative frequencies of haplotype 5 distribution show a geographical gradient of decreasing frequency according to latitude in Iberia: 40.8% in Andalusia, 36.2% in Portugal, 12.1% in Catalonia, and 11.3% in the Basque Country; such a cline of decreasing frequency of haplotype 5 from the south to the north in Iberia clearly establishes a gene flow from North Africa towards Iberia.

>>17912449
Basque people are considered the most hideously UGLY among all Spaniards. Their women are ugly as shit.

>>17912449
forgot pic related lol

>>17912449
>Average spaniards are 12% north african, 12% arab and 2-3% nigger autosomally speaking
That's only for specific regions, not the entire country, you're wrong. Deal with it. It's even supported in the genetic heatmap that was posted above you dumb mutt.

>>17912458
nope, it's for the entire country, see >>17912455
seethe harder paco

>>17912446
>average iberian looked Germanic
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>17912446
this is how moor rapebaby jeetniards wished they looked like and how they depict themselves lmao

>>17912469
moor heritage in ur veins diego

>>17912462
>paco
Not a spic. You're definitely a muslim though.

>>17912471
new truke just dropped

>>17912472
Iberians 3000 years ago had olive complexions with black and brown hair, similar to the Italians.

Lol

>>17909415
>bronze at best

>>17912413
Portugal didn't exercise sovereignty over Macau, couldn't tax Chinese living in Macau, couldn't exercise extraterritorial rights over Chinese citizens, couldn't impose duties on Chinese merchants.

Portugal only started doing those in Macau in the 1840s after the first Opium war by Britain.

And when Portugal tried to claim extraterritorial rights in Chinese ports outside of Macau, they got crushed in battle in the 1857 Ningbo massacre. Portuguese gunboats couldn't force concessions.

Portugal mistakenly thought they could ride on Britain's military power

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17900076/#17902431

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17900076/#q17900876

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17900076/#17900847

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17900076/#17900832

>the Jesuits had access to the Emperor

What dies this have to do with Portugal's military projection?

Portugal and Spain also relied on German military engineers and Italian naval navigators and shipwrights.

Because both Germany and Italy were disunited, those Germans and Italians couldn't lead colonial expeditions for their own countries.

Spanish and Portuguese guns, cannons, ships, printing presses, colonial mines like Potosi were largely built by Germans and Italians who were granted privileges to settle in Spain and Portugal.

>The Aztecs weren't an empire. They were a small tributary state that shook down their neighbors for cacao and slaves. Just the biggest ooga booga in a valley of ooga boogas
Either a rage bait or mentally disabled.
The aztec empire was definetely not a "small tributary state", Tenochtitlan was literally the gem of the americas at the time.
That it was rather a confederation rather than a centralized state like the tarascan empire doesnt mean it wasnt an empire.

>>17912704
The Portuguese had harems of African, Indian, Chinese, Korean and Japanese slaves and the mandarins could do nothing but seethe
The Jesuits worked for Portugal. Why would they start any conflict with China when they already the monopoly on trade? That's biting the hand that feeds you. The Dutch only established relations with China after the collapse of the Ming dynasty

>>17909249
>Pic

This "plan" is mental. Conquering all of Asia and attacking the Ottomans from the east? There's no fucking world in which they would have achieved even 1% of this plan. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>17912737
>Chinese

Those were non-Han Tanka people (untouchables) who voluntarily sold their children.

>>17912743
You think the Portuguese knew or cared about the differences? There's a thousand different ethnic groups in China, same with India

>>17912737
>>17912743
Macau was situated in a former Tanka fishing village.

Tanka people were untouchables, not allowed to live on land, not allowed to work in any respectable profession, their main job was prostitution.

>The Jesuits worked for Portugal. Why would

China captured Portuguese breach loading cannons (Folangji) in 1522 at the battle of Veniaga.

They demanded more cannons and instruments from the Jesuits.

Jesuits were not freeloading or imposing any conditions.

>>17912753
Why do you being the Ningpo massacre? Those were pirates. Criminals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Tiger%27s_Mouth
The Qing and the Portuguese had excellent relations, since it was the Portuguese that kept their waters safe, until the British arrived

>>17912745
>>17912753

>There's a thousand different ethnic groups in China,

This >>17912743 at Tamão happened after Simão de Andrade kidnapped children from ordinary families

Simão's soldiers also got massacred in 1545 after they tried kidnapping girls in Xiamen and Shuangyu.

>>17912764
>pirates
So this is the might of the Middle Kingdom?

>>17912704
The Ningpo massacre was pirates, not Portuguese regulars.

>>17912764
>1 English dead
Why was he even there?

>>17912232
>Peruvians are Chads
Lol

>>17906207
>didn't lose a single combat ship against them
>>17912743
>>17912753
>Chinese casualties and losses: unknown
Not knowing the Chinese casualties and losses is not the same as not losing a single combat ship. Unknown just means we don't know.

>>17909249
Imperial China has never been unified from the southernmost provinces they never had the population/economic/military power to support a conquest from the south.

>>17912232
Most Argentinian post ever made award.

>>17913487
>the same as not losing a single combat ship

The Portuguese didn't claim to sink a single ship in their accounts and they obviously didn't capture any.

One Portuguese vessel exploded, others were captured by boarding.