Thread 17905056

The idea that pagan gods required worship from mortals to survive is bullshit.

What power does the sea lose by not being worshipped? What power does the sun lose by not being worshipped? What power does the thunder lose by not being worshipped? Etc.

Pagans didn’t believe that worship was necessary for the prosperity of the gods, but rather for the prosperity of humans. The Romans in particular believed in “Pax Deorum” (meaning “Peace of the Gods” in Latin) where if you didn’t worship the gods, great calamities would fall upon you.

Ironically, great calamities fell upon the Romans after they abandoned paganism in favor of Christianity. From the pagan perspective, the fall of Rome was punishment from the gods for embracing Christianity and humanity has never recovered since then since they’ve never returned to paganism.

>>17905056 (OP)

>gods

First of all, they're not gods. They're incredibly malevolent, demonic creatures.

Additionally, paganism espouses hedonism, power lust, sexual deviancy, unnecessary aggression, etc. while Christ espoused the opposite.

>>17905056 (OP)
Paganism would've lasted longer in Europe had there not been a large empire for Christianity to spread through. Pagan Rome led to Christian Europe.
Also not all pagans are the same, Meshika believed they had to sacrifice to save the world. Assyria believed they had to continue conquering or the world would end.

>>17905059
>First of all, they're not gods. They're incredibly malevolent, demonic creatures.
That's what I think of Jesus.

>>17905056 (OP)
Under prechristian beliefs systems, whites understood that they were the bloodline descendants of their god and that their people were animated by that God's spirit. There were many such gods who established bloodlines of people that are of God.

Return to that if you want, if you know to which god you owe your divine pedigree, if you have a people who do also.

>>17905062
Idiot

>>17905056 (OP)
Every single pagan god demanded blood. Be it in the form of human sacrifice, suicide, or sacred prostitution.
All of them seek nothing but the befoulment of the gift of life. Nothing but demons in disguise

>>17905056 (OP)
Psalm 82
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God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:

“How long will you defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

“I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance

>>17905076
BWAAAHAHAAHHAA, do you think JHVH is any different? That's rich.

>>17905056 (OP)
trvke

>>17905085
Simon you're not fooling anyone. I hate you so much

>>17905094
Who the hell is Simon? Qrd?

>>17905095
who else would name+tripfag at the same while promoting some batshit insane Jap religion

>>17905085
God already came in the flesh. There no use making assumptions
Yes, he is the coolest guy ever

Why do threads get derailed on a regular basis to talk about Simon? Is this just some bizarre astroturfing campaign?

>>17905069
>when the christcuck has no argument:

>>17905111
Correct. I don't need one but your own post

>>17905102
Jesus was not the son of god. He was the bastard child of a Roman soldier named Panthera whom Mary had committed adultery with.
His “miracles” were nothing more than simple magic tricks he learned during his youth in Egypt (whom was famous for its magicians). Other historical figures like the Roman emperor Vespasian and Apollonius also did these things, are they too the son of god?
Also, the resurrection is fake and gay.

>>17905112
Incoherent.

>>17905076
Hebrews 9:22
"Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."

Yahweh was among the blood-demanding gods.

>>17905122
His blood

>>17905137
And the blood of countless animals and baby-penises.

>>17905150
Which ended after his blood was delivered

Also, animal sacrifices are fine

>>17905076
>Every single pagan god demanded blood. Be it in the form of human sacrifice, suicide, or sacred prostitution.
All of them seek nothing but the befoulment of the gift of life. Nothing but demons in disguise


It’s funny you say that when your entire religion was founded on human sacrifice of a dude on cross for yahweh. A dude was sacrificed as offering to god for some mythical human sin.

And you with no self reflection on the religion you follow come here to talk shit about pagans? Why are Christcucks so deceptive like Jews, maybe because they worship same yahweh

>>17905168
Correction:
Our religion was founded under the act of "self-sacrifice", which stopped there.

We don't drown infants like the Norse did, nor do we burn widows like the Indians did, nor do we bury people in temple pillars like the Japs did.

We celebrate life here. Blood is spilt only in the name of selfless love

>>17905261

Based.

>>17905261
Instead you burn heretics, which is no different.
Also, your god is a Jew

>>17905056 (OP)
>pagan gods required worship from mortals to survive
I've never seen anyone even suggest this
>>17905076
If you've actually read the Bible, you would know that YHWH demanded regular animal sacrifices in the Old Testament

>>17905056 (OP)
>The idea that pagan gods required worship from mortals to survive is bullshit.
When have Christians claim this? This borders on polytheism, the Christian claim is that so called pagan "gods" outirght don't exist and neved did.

>>17905076
do christcucks do not see the irony?

>>17905059
You post about your fetishes and how you're a shintoist. Kill yourself namecunt.

Hi, we are Hell.
We are an army of demons, undead and other Dark beings, we became demonic gods with black yoga and demon tantra, then we killed Jesus and the gods of light.
I believe in Hell and so should you.

>>17905056 (OP)
>The idea that pagan gods required worship from mortals to survive is bullshit.
I thing they got this idea from post 'time of troubles' DnD, that got the idea from American gods

>>17905056 (OP)
>Ironically, great calamities fell upon the Romans after they abandoned paganism in favor of Christianity.
"Great calamities" fell on Rome both before and after Christianity, because calamities are always falling upon big empires.
> From the pagan perspective, the fall of Rome was punishment from the gods for embracing Christianity
I wonder then how they interpret the crisis of the third century, why did that happen? The Empire came one step away from total collapse while it was still fully pagan, and irontically it took a Christian emperor, Constantine, to restore it. Also how do pagans interpret the Eastern Roman Empire, the most Christian region of Rome, lasting for centuries on even after the WRE collapsed?
>and humanity has never recovered since then since they’ve never returned to paganism.
lol I'm pretty sure we've come a veeery long way since Rome.

>>17905892
No. Heretics are imprisoned or hanged *after months of public debates proving him wrong and ordering him to stop

We are the TRUE Jews

>>17906143
Animal sacrifices are fine

>>17906186
>The Empire came one step away from total collapse while it was still fully pagan, and irontically it took a Christian emperor, Constantine, to restore it.
Diocletian, a believer of the roman gods, was the one who saved Rome from total collapse, however

>>17907017
Why was Rome on the brink of collapse while they were pagan? Seems to me like worshipping the pagan gods makes no difference?

>>17907095
>Why was Rome on the brink of collapse while they were pagan?
Because of too many wars outside and inside, and a decaying economy. It follows the same reasoning abrahamanics use to defend their god: the gods actions are their own, men's theirs, so cloudy periods are expected on both. If you ask me, it was a damn miracle that Diocletian could extend Old Rome's existence almost 200 years more

>>17907286
>Because of too many wars outside and inside, and a decaying economy.
It was a rhetorical question, anon. My point was that the worship of the pagan gods doesn't seem to matter if Rome could have reached such a critical point of societal collapse while still worshipping the pagan gods, so there isn't any sort of correlation between pagan worship and imperial prosperity, which is actually a factor that made so many Romans abandon paganism for Christianity once they saw that the worship of the pagan gods didn't make a difference.
>It follows the same reasoning abrahamanics use to defend their god
It quite literally doesn't, the relationship that Romans had with their gods is not the same that Abrahamic religions have with YHWH, the Romas saw theirs as a transactional relationship of give and take based on gift-giving. So once the collapsed happened they realized that either they weren't real or they had breached the terms of their relationship.

>>17907306
>My point was that the worship of the pagan gods doesn't seem to matter if Rome could have reached such a critical point of societal collapse while still worshipping the pagan gods
From that angle, you have to see that the old gods of Europe were quite quick to leave their worshippers in the dust if they became too antagonistic towards virtue. Rome was pretty much eating itself due corruption, that being man's falling. This european view was traspassed into christianity when it took power, and the new god was also found wanting
>It quite literally doesn't
Yeah, romans were in a commensalistic type of symbiotic relationship with their gods, meanwhile YHWH went for a parasitic one where he would actively hinder his worshippers to the point they had no other option than to worship him, much like the tongue louse would do its fish host: make itself vital to its host existence by mutilating them. Sure, the bug now does good by acting as their tongue, but did the fish ask for it?

>>17907380
>you have to see that the old gods of Europe were quite quick to leave their worshippers in the dust if they became too antagonistic towards virtue.
And clearly we don't need them to get back on our feet. Abramamic empires all overshadowed Rome
>British
>French
>Russian
>Spanish
>Portuguese
>Ottoman
>Dutch

>This european view was traspassed into christianity when it took power,
No it wasn't? There's an entire book in the Old Testament (Job) that makes the point crystal clear that one's relationship with YHWH is not transactional because there is NOTHING for you to give to him that he would need.
>meanwhile YHWH went for a parasitic one where he would actively hinder his worshippers to the point they had no other option than to worship him
No idea what you're talking about, a parasyte feeds off its host, YHWH doesn't need sustenance from anybody. All God does is leave you to your own choices and face the consequences, thus coming to the conclusion on your own that God's way is the only right way, he simply lets you make your own mistakes and learn from them.

>>17905059
>Semen Saliva
Oops!

>>17907412

A demon possessed me to say that.

>>17907399
>Abramamic empires all overshadowed Rome
>More land = better empire
Absolutely none of them had the trascendence that Rome had in history
>No it wasn't?
Maybe not prots, but catholics and orthodox do follow that view to some extent
>No idea what you're talking about, a parasyte feeds off its host, YHWH doesn't need sustenance from anybody
Oh, please. He tells their poor chosen that they cannot do nothing without him, that they are sinful from birth and they need only him to save themselves from their evil, that theh should only worship him, because why wouldn't they? well, he'll curse them up to their third and fourth generation if they refuse him, and then will come back to ask the now battered people to worship him, repeating the cycle if they refuse him again, essentially gaslighting them into venerating him
>All God does is leave you to your own choices and face the consequences
When the roman gods do it, they are evil and unworthy of worship, right?

>>17907438
>>More land = better empire
When did I say this? Although they objectively did, it's also what they accomplished in that land.
>Absolutely none of them had the trascendence that Rome had in history
All of them have.
>but catholics and orthodox do follow that view to some extent
No they don't? They don't do animal sacrifices to appease God.
>He tells their poor chosen that they cannot do nothing without him
Nobody can, not just the "poor chosen".
>that they are sinful from birth and they need only him to save themselves from their evil
This applies to everyone, not just Jews or Christians.
> that theh should only worship him, because why wouldn't they?
Again, this applies to everyone.
>he'll curse them up to their third and fourth generation if they refuse him, and then will come back to ask the now battered people to worship him
How is that "parasitic"? That is simply righteous punishment.
>essentially gaslighting them into venerating him
What gaslighting is happening here? If someone says "you can't live without me" and turns out you indeed can't, how is that gaslighint?
>When the roman gods do it
They're not real, anon.

>>17907450
>it's also what they accomplished in that land.
pretty much nothing truly relevant. and by reading the rest of your post, it seems you are too gone to realise things around. sorry anon, wish you the best

>>17907469
>Nothing but the Roman Empire matters
lel romaboos are funny.

Idk, maybe you're right?

The iconoclasts were right and modern Christianity would be viewed as paganism to early Christians

Counterpoint: Paganism is dead
Go pray to Jove or whichever God you heathens worship