Northern Europeans were just too antisocial and individualist to form their own civilization. They are genetically hardwired to be this way through evolution. This is why they absorbed Jewish and Greco-Roman Mediterranean influences (from the perspective of Germanic tribesmen they're basically the same thing) without resistance and didn't form some kind of Nordic "Anti-Rome."

Uh, ok?

>>17906024 (OP)
their division and primitiveness is why they survived albeit, see also the times berbers and arabs, a more sophisticated culture and advanced enough technology for an antirome is how celts and carthiginians got ganked

>>17906024 (OP)
They eventually evolved into this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqthspSKZV8

>>17906045
What? Are you on the wrong board?

>>17906055
Those are mongoloids

>>17906096
Finns have the purest white genes in Europe.

>>17906105
Not true

>>17906024 (OP)
>blocks your path across the steppe
kind of generalizing too much desu
Northern Europeans could and did work well together for prolonged periods of time
they formed alliances and grand coalitions operating along a frontline of hundreds of miles long, they played politics with each other and the Romans/Sassanids, they had their own system of governance based on blood oaths and personal loyalty, as well as a fairly transparent judiciary where every man could make his case.

>>17906024 (OP)
>IF MY PIPO HAD MO TIME WE WOULD BE A SPACE POWER
you’re racial IQ is too low. Sorry.

>>17906224
that's what he said tho, they naturally wouldn't develop thanks to their rae and could only do so with outsiders influence

>>17906024 (OP)

Correct. Even now social cohesion is a huge problem for these peoples. It's why their institutions struggle to last 2 generations and why they easily get out-competed by more communal groups. Their culture of hyper-individualism is useful is certain scenarios, but detrimental as a whole.

>>17906337
>culture of hyper-individualism
Doesn't exist, the value placed on individualism stems from Christian thoughts on the immortal soul and the implied personal relationship everyone has with God. This was an under current that went contrary to the overall conformity of societies from tribal, feudal, etc. in to the modern era. European socities may pay more lip service to the idea of individualism, but at heart they are unfeeling conformist machines that tend towards autocracy/oligarchy , large organised violence, and reduction of the individual to either an economic unit or expendable military materiel. It's why their systems have overrun the world.

>>17906224
>>17906260
That's also retarded. There is no singular source for civilization. Its all trade and iterating on other people's ideas.

I would much rather be sailing the Baltic and hunting auroch than living in shit heap ancient cities misery-maxxing. You act as if 90% of people in le civilization wasn't illiterate, impoverished suffering for the vast majority of human history. Until Western Europe took over *after* the Renaissance as Rome had solved essentially none of these things. Neither did Ottomans, much less Indians who quite literally poop in their own streets. And worship poop and pee unironically.

>>17906447
>There is no singular source for civilization.
In Western Europe/the Middle East/North Africa it was Mesopotamia (Ancient Egypt was founded with Mesopotamian influence). Seems pretty cut and dry. Other centers of civilization include the Indus Valley, China, and Mesoamerica but these didn't matter for Europe.

>>17906486
If western Europe were to have a singular source it would obviously be Rome, if anything. But even then, it's just thousands of years of pain and change. A significant portion of their culture, materially and otherwise was Etruscan in origin. And their's the Greeks and etc.

Its just a bad idea that there can be a singular source for such a thing.

>>17906539
Rome <- Greece <- Mesopotamia and Egypt (starting from Sumeria) but yes there’s different sources for individual civilizations but not civilization itself

>>17906024 (OP)
>WHITE POWER

>>17906636
another

>>17906444

>Doesn't exist, the value placed on individualism stems from Christian thoughts on the immortal soul and the implied personal relationship everyone has with God.

This is not Abrahamic in it's origins. This outlook on individualism comes directly from the Greeks, and Greek philosophy formed a theological pillar of Christian belief. The Greeks were a hyper-individualistic people just like the Northern Europeans, both struggled with organizing a functioning society that doesn't dissolve into chaos and violence within less than 2 generations.

>European socities may pay more lip service to the idea of individualism, but at heart they are unfeeling conformist machines that tend towards autocracy/oligarchy , large organised violence, and reduction of the individual to either an economic unit or expendable military materiel. It's why their systems have overrun the world.

These ideas are not native to Europe. The European princes, statesmen, and power brokers learned all of this from their encounters with Oriental princes. The best way to rule a nation and maintain the rule of existing elites in the long term is to crush personal liberty and individual autonomy.

>>17906260
North Euros had the Nebra sky disk, complex languages, complex government and legal systems which outlived the Roman Empire, artisanship, and complex religion. They never were meaningfully behind the Romans.
They both worked iron, they both had well developed legal systems, they both had large scale military organization.
This is not comparable to Euros stumbling upon Mesolithic tribesmen in Central America or Africa who to this day Africans still have mudhuts and don’t work iron and continue speaking languages with only 80 words, you wont find a single Hunter gatherer in Europe proper today.
>>17906486
>civilization is when lots of people live together
It’s not. Indus Valley wasn’t civilization. Egypt predates Mesopotamia by centuries.
MesoAmerica wasn’t civilized.

>>17908042
Retard

>>17906055
Yeah. Meds are the superior Europeans. Aristotle spoke about this. Deep down nerdicks know this.

>>17908042
Nebra sky disk
>According to an initial analysis of trace elements by x-ray fluorescence by E. Pernicka, then at the University of Freiberg, the copper originated at Bischofshofen in Austria, whilst the gold was thought to be from the Carpathian Mountains.[22] A more recent analysis found that the gold used in the first development phase (see below) was from the River Carnon in southern Cornwall in England.[23] The tin present in the bronze was also of Cornish origin.[24]

Guess who traded in Britain at the time? Tartessian, Egyptians, maybe Mycenaeans when in it comes to Austrian copper. These southerners created the sky disk and traded it northwards. IE northern euros were still not capable of anything, I mean we all know this already. Stop coping.

>>17909620
>Saaarrr all the materials came from northern and Eastern Europe therefore it must be southern made bloody bastard northern benchods cannot have traded with each other saarr

>>17909620
>who traded in Britain at the time
no one?
>Tartessian
predates them
>Egyptians
predates the unified kingdom of egypt
>mycenaeans
predates them
Nebra Sky Disk is proof Northern Europeans independently had an extremely advanced culture prior to extensive contact with other cultures.
>NO NO NO YOU CANT BE ATTRACTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL
cry about it, Chads exist, Europeans are the chads of history.

>>17906050
>berbers and arabs, a more sophisticated culture
Berbers are historically the one of the most divided culture with no real sophisticated high culture. They got conquered over and over again because they refused to work together against any opponent ever. Berbers role in history can be summed up as a bunch of manlets inhabiting the most rugged terrains of North Africa (only places where their languages are spoken today) on the frontiers of civilization based in various clans and tribes.
Berbers are basically the opposite of civilization. While the Carthaginians, Romans, Arabs, Andalusians, Turks, or the French built cities and civilization on the coast the Berbers never truly amounted to much more than inhabiting the periphery in their little tribes or statelets in geographically advantageous positions.
In no way were they a sophisticated culture. Romanized or Arabized outliers like Saint Augustine are irrelevant.

>>17909443
Must have been awkward seeing so many cities getting fucked raped and looted by Celts like within a generation of him writing this.

>>17909792
another detail is that every civilization had an example of rise and fall, but the Berbers literally never conquered anything outside of their ethnic urheimat. The only exception is them taking advantage of the collapsing Andalusian civilization and seizing it for themselves before losing it to Iberians. Genuinely, Berbers are like an NPC filler race, never meant to be anything more than a placeholder small challenge for empires seeking to conquer North Africa.

>>17906170
Those are Sakas or Gepids? I like the image

>>17907658
I differ Greeks weren't that much individualistic, they identified themselves as Greek per se and all else were barbarians. This happens to every other major culture, the chinese, the japanese, the mayans, the romans, the carthaginians.

>>17908042
How come Indus valley is not a civilization?

>>17909795
This never happened.

>>17906024 (OP)
Germanics remind me of Asians in a lot of ways. Look at their features, they often have high cheekbones and small eyes, those are asiatic-like features. And look at their behavior also, they are often very unemotional, cold and introverted just like a lot of asians are

>>17909849
Hard to say. Some kind of Scythian-Sarmatian for sure. My heart says Roxolani but I could be wrong.

>>17906024 (OP)
>Northern Europeans were just too antisocial and individualist to form their own civilization
They had their own civilization though? Its not too dissimilar from what you see in medieval Europe in terms of material culture, and has mostly the same political layout.
>ey absorbed Jewish and Greco-Roman Mediterranean influences
And vice versa. They were pretty much the best metal smiths and most of their sword designs and armor designs were copied, especially in Rome, which often followed them at a 1:1 in some cases.
>>17906486
>In Western Europe/the Middle East/North Africa it was Mesopotamia
Not the case, at all. North-Western material culture and political organization basically remained unmoved since its earliest forms. It was iterated on and layered on top of, but its foundations were never really shifted. We were using wattle and daub construction since before the copper age and it made its way to fucking Jamestown with the pilgrims.