Thread 17906897

Why is there no dialect continuum between Continental Germanic languages and Scandinavian languages?

>>17906897 (OP)
Anglo-Saxons used to be the link, but then they moved to Britain while their old lands in Jutland were repopulated by Danes.

>>17906897 (OP)
There is, anglo-frisian to be exact. Just not accepted. North Sea Germanic.

>>17906897 (OP)
Old English is closer to Scandinavian Germanic than it is to continental Germanic

>>17907282
Why is Dutch so close to both modern english and deutsch, but not scandi langs then?

>>17906897 (OP)
There are some few languages which were not supplanted, but they at one point even further back shared a root.

>>17907435
Dutch is german influenced. Frisian is somewhere between German and Scandinavian though, like Old English

I think it was some form of proto-English that has since gone extinct.

>>17906897 (OP)

The further back you go, the closer they get. Anglo-Saxons in Britain and Vikings could communicate without much effort and there's a pretty good continuum from Dutch to German to Frisian, etc....but the "Anglo" link jumped to the British Isles and morphed on its own, as island tend to do to things. Even up to the time of Shakespeare, English grammar and spelling was quite "German", as was the vocabulary. I still think "how would Shakespeare say this" to get to a rough German translation.

Du = Thou; Sie = Thee; Deine(r) = Thine, etc.....lots of commonalities if you can speak/read a bit of both languages, and English is a piece of cake for them to learn b/c it's so streamlined of gender, and all the crazy cases, etc....the hardest part about English is the spelling, which is just wacky and part of the charm due to all the influences over the centuries.

>>17906897 (OP)
coz jews took over germany and forced everyone speak jiddish

>>17907282
In syntax, yes, due to historical influence, but it has a more recent common ancestor with the other West Germanic languages.

>>17906897 (OP)
>>17907242
>>17907282
>>17907807
If the Anglo Saxons stayed on the continent would there be more germanic languages? Would they have spread further, an all germanic speaking belgium, maybe germanic normandy?

Or would the lack of anglos being a power pecking at france: latinization would be much more sucesful with HRE or maybe even scandinavia being latinized if not totally frenchified?

>>17907282
not at all

>>17906897 (OP)
Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are heavily influenced by German, while Icelandic is relatively primitive and close to Old Norse still.

>>17907602
Frisian (The one that is actually spoken) is much closer to Dutch than it is to German and Scandinavian though

>>17906897 (OP)
What do you mean? For just pronunciation there is some continuum. Northern Germany, Denmark and Southern Sweden use throat-back-R, while Southern Germany and Northern Sweden use tongue-tip-R. Don't know much about Norway but the typical Norwegian uses tongue-tip-R, but I think maybe there are throat-back-R dialects of Norwegian too, but I don't know where in Norway they're spoken.

>>17908508
>primitive and close to Old Norse
How is it primitive? In case you haven't noticed the trend in languages and culture in general is regression. Watch Idiocracy, you're in it.

>>17909100
Regression means returning to an earlier state. Your post is incoherent because you can't let go of childish reductivism.

>>17909105
Regression according to my dictionary means "returning to a former OR less developed state".

>>17909105
>Your post is incoherent because you can't let go of childish reductivism.
Not an argument. Ad hominem. Study logic.

>>17909130
The temporal implications don't change anon. The verb is return.

>>17909094
A dialect continuum is a continuum of mutual intelligebility, an area where neighbouring dialects can understand each other, but not neccessarily the neighbours of neighbours. In Europe it hardly exists anywhere anymore due to language standardization, especially not in Northwestern Europe, but historically there was one for all Dutch, Low German, High German, and even Frisian dialects.
However, Scandinavian languages have had their own dialect continuum since the Migration Period, meaning there was a hard language border in Schleswig-Holstein just like there was to non-Germanic languages.

>>17909146
Return can be going from Z to A without going through Y-B. Furthermore if you had an apex somewhere and have been declining continuously since that apex, then you've been in regression since the apex and are still in regression.

>>17909158
If you already know about the subject why are you asking such a simple question? Make an effort thread instead of a lazy question thread, bum.

>>17909183
I'm not OP

>>17909100
>How is it primitive?
Primitive isn't necessarily a bad thing. It just means it has fewer innovations.

>>17908026
The power dynamics in medieval Europe would have shifted, potentially strengthening Latin-speaking realms (like France or the HRE) and altering the linguistic map significantly.

>>17910360
wouldn't the extra manpower on the continent strengthen the germanic presence enough to make up for the lack of UK?

Yeah I guess so

>>17909094
that throaty r came from French and spread from the Cologne area. Low German natively had a rolled r