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Anonymous No.17907529 >>17907545 >>17907547 >>17907809 >>17907813 >>17907925 >>17909060 >>17909207
When did the hate for black people in america started and why?
I have noticed that before, in the time of the thirteen colonies the association of black and slave wasnt so big, since there were also black slave owners and there wasnt that much of race violence/hate within the free negroes and whites, and most of the time living peacefully.
When did this change?
Anonymous No.17907545 >>17907546 >>17907925
>>17907529 (OP)
Nobody, absolutely nobody but fringe weirdos like free blacks. When Lincoln was talking with Stephen Douglass he wasn't doing so as an equal. He basically stated that blacks had every right to resent white people, as long as white people were in charge. This was a declaration of white superiority over the black, but also some weird sort of attempt at humanity to try and put Lincoln on the political radar for being a progressive.
Anonymous No.17907546
>>17907545
Sorry Frederick Douglass
Anonymous No.17907547
>>17907529 (OP)
>in the time of the thirteen colonies the association of black and slave wasnt so big
Anonymous No.17907556 >>17907559 >>17907560 >>17907801
Blacks are superior. NFL MLB NBA proved it. Y'all are jealous. Don't cry anons.
Anonymous No.17907557 >>17907568
The hate for black people started to come with the rise of slavery in the early 19th century. Even Americans who weren't in support of slavery couldn't imagine whites and blacks coexisting, which caused the foundation of the Society for the Colonization of Free People of Color of America.
Anonymous No.17907559
>>17907556
hmmmm yet they cant even maintain a functioning water system in jackson ms
Anonymous No.17907560
>>17907556
Blacks are scouted for sportsball because they will accept less money
Anonymous No.17907565
>Blacks are superior. NFL MLB NBA proved it. Y'all are jealous. Don't cry anons.
Nobody is superior, we are all equal in our value as humans.
Anonymous No.17907568
>>17907557
>the rise of slavery in the early 19th century
blacks have been slaves for 5,000 years
Anonymous No.17907610 >>17907614 >>17908021
>blacks have been slaves for 5,000 years
The same can be said about literally every race, whites were enslaved in the mediterranean slave trade, native americans enslaved each other massively, even more in mesoamerica, I dont know about asians but is probable they also enslaved each other
Anonymous No.17907614
>>17907610
asians loved slaves the most, it's probably why blacks don't like them. they can smell it on them
Anonymous No.17907639 >>17907854
>asians loved slaves the most, it's probably why blacks don't like them. they can smell it on them
Most slaves owned by the asians werent not subsaharian dummy, but rather were other asians.
I sometimes wonder why some users here in /his/ dont even have any knowledge of history
Anonymous No.17907801
>>17907556
but can they swim?
Anonymous No.17907805 >>17907813
You are deranged

Whites have always hated blacks and minorities. You don't invade, dehumanize and enslave without being soulless demons.

>we wuz just kind slavers and genociders

jew tier pilpul
Anonymous No.17907809
>>17907529 (OP)
suggest checking this
its hilarious for many reasons
Anonymous No.17907813 >>17907838
>>17907805
>You don't invade, dehumanize and enslave without being soulless demons.
that explain why most blacks were caught, enslaved and sold by blacks
>>17907529 (OP)
essentially it started when rich planters start evacuating from Caribbean islands because of fear of insurrection and relocate to south, they brought their blacks with them(and import more) and so they also brought fear of insurrection with them
Anonymous No.17907838 >>17907846
>>17907813
more pilpul

yeah blacks were responsible for the *checks notes* TRANS ATLANTIC slave trade

fuck off
Anonymous No.17907846 >>17907874
>>17907838
partially yes, they were supplying ready to go product
whites didn't land in africa and run around catching negros(most of the time at last), they were sailing to Africa and buying slaves from local chieftans
Anonymous No.17907854
>>17907639
I thought race didn't matter
Anonymous No.17907874 >>17907887 >>17907893 >>17907897 >>17908053
>>17907846
supply needs demand. you still bought them. you were still slavers who then resold them in your countries

fucking hell this is jew tier talmud pilpul where child sacrifice is okay if you hand the kid to the priest first because you didn't do it directly
Anonymous No.17907887
>>17907874
>you still bought them. you were still slavers
nope, stop creating and fighting strawman you tard
and at last cracker slavers didn't eat their slaves like it was happening in black africa
Anonymous No.17907893
>>17907874
Go back to /pol/. Your Jew obsession is embarrassing.
Anonymous No.17907897 >>17908028
>>17907874
>supply needs demand
exactly, and african warlords have great demand for guns and gunpowder, they gladly were exchanging their slaves for it and were using newly acquired weapons to get more wealth(slaves)
Anonymous No.17907925 >>17908596
>>17907529 (OP)
It was in a slave owners best interest to dehumanize their slaves, because it reduced the moral nuance behind keeping them in the first place
>>17907545
>abolitionists are fringe weirdos
They won. You lost.
Anonymous No.17908021 >>17909072 >>17909599 >>17909710
>>17907610
>The same can be said about literally every race

Black African slavery was different in that they were essentially a cavemen-tier people in relation to their slavers.

The Gauls enslaved by the Romans on the other hand, weren't that far removed from their slavers as a civilization and this was the same with Asian slavery, while Mesoamerican and N.American Indian slaves and slavers were literally the same people.

Black slavery had such a long acceptance and justification because the slavers of Black people didn't really see them as fully human and to be honest, there is a confirmed genetic difference between Black Africans and everybody else on the planet (other than Australian aborigines, who are pretty much Homo erectus).
Anonymous No.17908028 >>17908033
>>17907897
you still bought them retard

>it's not my fault I fucked the prostitute she shouldn't have been selling

you're a goddamn jew aren't you
Anonymous No.17908033
>>17908028
nigger, my ethnicity and nation have zero common with slave trade, especially african slave trade so fuck off
go try guild trip some burgers
Anonymous No.17908053
>>17907874
The slave trade wasn't all that elastic. Small jumps in demand would double the price of slaves because then theyd need to get more. But then the price is already too high to make it worth while. The truth is, they were just enslaving and selling as many as they can before the white man ever jumped in. It quickly became cost prohibitive unless you were making bank like the French and just threw your slaves away
Anonymous No.17908596 >>17909112
>>17907925
>abolitionists are fringe weirdos
Yes. Nothing about post slavery has anything to do with Abolitionism and is mostly just politics
Anonymous No.17909060
>>17907529 (OP)
Europeans always hated blacks because they are a complete different race in every single way possible,

Whites were better off enslaving masses of Indians or something they cant handle being around blacks the racial difference is to big
Anonymous No.17909072 >>17909076
>>17908021
Arabs wrote that Northern Europeans and Slavs were more primitive than Ethiopians and the Sahelian blacks would you ever think that was true ???
Anonymous No.17909076
>>17909072
yep
Anonymous No.17909112 >>17909131
>>17908596
>Yep. Nothing about *pisssss* *shiiiiiiit* *faaaaaart*!
Why are you retards always so historically illiterate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_court_cases_in_the_United_States_involving_slavery
Anonymous No.17909131 >>17909141
>>17909112
There's actually some nuance here. The judge making the first calls on slavery was a colonial era judge that somehow kept his job in Massachusetts. And the most important part of it was his deliberate misinterpretation of the Massachusetts constitution.

There is a through-line in people that propose to be abolitionists and people that either hate the Constitution and just use their positions in government for power or are extremely naive retards.
Anonymous No.17909141 >>17909169
>>17909131
You also ignore the fact that Vermont had already outlawed slavery before they even joined the US. Every Northern State had outlawed slavery by 1810
>There's actually some nuance here.
I agree, but it's bit dishonest to call the abolitionists the "fringe weirdos" when they were clearly a formidable political force in the US from the get-go, so much so that slave owners needed to invest heavily into protecting their own interests in Southern governments through aggressive lobbying that culminated in them attempting to leave the union entirely.
Anonymous No.17909165
>Black African slavery was different in that they were essentially a cavemen-tier people in relation to their slavers.

The Gauls enslaved by the Romans on the other hand, weren't that far removed from their slavers as a civilization and this was the same with Asian slavery, while Mesoamerican and N.American Indian slaves and slavers were literally the same people.

Black slavery had such a long acceptance and justification because the slavers of Black people didn't really see them as fully human and to be honest, there is a confirmed genetic difference between Black Africans and everybody else on the planet (other than Australian aborigines, who are pretty much Homo erectus).
You took this info straight from your ass.
Gauls? They were literally just as barbarians as every germanic at the time.
And the deshumanization of white slaves was even more brutal in greece.
Anonymous No.17909169
>>17909141
Vermont is another case where the constitution didn't outlaw slavery but people retroactively said it did
Anonymous No.17909172
>Europeans always hated blacks because they are a complete different race in every single way possible,
Larp, before the modern era, there wasnt even a conception of what race was, and not even now.
So white is the mix of ANE, WHG and anatolian?
Anonymous No.17909207 >>17909218
>>17907529 (OP)
Codification of slavery caused that. Before that white indentured servitudes worked togather with blacks. Slavery also became heridatary for blacks. Slaves became equated with blacks. Whites feared them and there was always fear of complete uprising similiar to fears in sparta.Also to treat someone badly you need to dehumanize them.

TLDR; Slaves were integral part of economy for southrens, slavery was hereditary for blacks. Dehumanization was required to treat someone that way. Education was banned for blacks so even if they were freed they were seen less educated. Today, education level is often a stronger discriminator than race. (see The Tyranny of Merit)(shit book btw). Permenanant victimhood ( justified desu ngl) makes it tough to get out of that swamp
Anonymous No.17909218 >>17909225
>>17909207
>white indentured servitudes worked togather with blacks
sound like a myth made up by blacks
Anonymous No.17909225 >>17909247
>>17909218
That doesnt mean they were friends and had good time. It is just they werent considered that separate in that time. X needs to be done, we have bunch of people. Send those people. Later it changed as mentioned with codification and dehumanization. Blacks become synyomus with slavery. I am not talking about liberal woke bullshit but pretty basic things need to be done with existing work force.
Anonymous No.17909247 >>17909299 >>17909323 >>17909485
>>17909225
If you notice the vermont constitution which everybody says ended slavery was actually setting regulations on indentured servants, so that's probably where blacks are getting the myth from. You can see the very clever twisting of discourse around history and the founding of states to create this narrative of anti slavery
Anonymous No.17909299
>>17909247
when in reality people were just anti black
Anonymous No.17909323 >>17909328
>>17909247
Even in fords factories where blacks and whites were paid same but black people were given jobs that had less potential to rise up and were harder.
Anonymous No.17909328 >>17909340
>>17909323
ford isn't remembered because he liked blacks, he's remembered because he didn't take all the profit for himself
Anonymous No.17909340 >>17909351
>>17909328
He forced his workers to buy his cars with extra money he gave them lmao. His factory had %380 turnover rate(before pay raise). That is why he paid them more, no normal person can handle that kinda automated soul crushing work otherwise.
Anonymous No.17909351 >>17909354
>>17909340
Yes gilded age manufacturing relied on mass imported dysgenics and it was common at the turn of the century to have turnover that high

Imagine 500% turnover rates, everybody quits within two weeks
Anonymous No.17909354
>>17909351
My company had %70 and I thought that was crazy high
Anonymous No.17909485
>>17909247
I did some research instead talking out of my ass here is what I found

>beginning in the 1680s many of the largest planters began assigning black and white field-workers to separate residential and work units, a change that improved their chances for cutting costs and for minimizing
disruptive contacts between Africans and European servants

>By separating slaves from servants, slaveowners likely also hoped that the enslaved would have fewer opportunities for learning what European servants considered a fair daily task.

>mixed work groups limited planters’ ability to fully exploit enslaved laborers. Blacks who had been brought into the region before the mid-1670s, a group Ira Berlin has termed the β€œcharter generation,” were hardly model slaves. As a
result of living and working with indentured servants who shared, at least
temporarily, a common bondage, enslaved blacks often gained fluency in English, a mastery of English customs and laws, familiarity with economic exchange and the Christian religion, and an intense desire for freedom. As large planters acquired more slaves, physical separation of black workers enabled them not only to intensify labor requirements and cut maintenance costs but also to deny the new arrivals any opportunity to become part of mainstream

TLDR = Indentured servants and enslaved Africans often worked together in the same tasks until the late 1600s, when large planters increasingly separated them to limit solidarity, tighten control over enslaved labor, and ultimately replaced most white servants with slaves.

Source : Motives of Honor, Pleasure, and Profit
Plantation Management in the Colonial Chesapeake, 1607-1763 Page 380-385
Anonymous No.17909599
>>17908021
>Black African slavery was different in that they were essentially a cavemen-tier people in relation to their slavers
There were slaves brought to the Americas from the Senegambia region who were literate, educated Muslims
Anonymous No.17909710
>>17908021

because white slavery is sex slavery , a lot provided to them

hence the lack of meme depictions and Hollywood reenactments to help salvage an image

resulting in white mens visceral reaction to race mixing, predicated on past trauma