Thread 17911527

Historically speaking

>>17911527 (OP)
you unironically have to have at least surface level knowledge of mexican meme culture to understand this pic

the salt parts were walled off and people directly shat on it leading to a lot of malaria outbreaks

Looks pretty clean to me

>literal shitwater
mmmm, me gusta

>>17911527 (OP)
Couldn't have asked for a better picture, thanks asshole.

>>17911527 (OP)
Cleaner than before it was partially drained and used for sewage waste in the late 17th century.

>>17911740
GET OUT OF MY SWAMP

>>17911651
Shrekxicans

>>17911527 (OP)
Cortes never complained about it and he generally was keen to include all the details of what was going on. It got really grim when they cut off the water supply and slowly the opposing Aztecs just withered away and couldn't even resist due to their hunger and thirst

>>17912385
How'd he cut off the water supply and kill them if drinking shit water was what they were doing before he cut off the water

>>17912388
acueducts

>>17912394
Right but the aqueducts were for the upper class. Everybody else dipped their pots into the lagoon of human feces

>>17912399
you just made that shit up

>>17912408
Honestly I'm beginning to suspect that the aqueduct thing is completely made up

>>17912433
Unlikely, the Spaniards talked about it all the time. And you're double wrong about the idea of commoners drinking the lake water, since in reality nobody did even if they wanted to. Lake Texcoco was a saline lake with brackish water.

>>17912385
His opinion wouldn't be valid anyways considering jeetniards were unironic streetshitters (which is the reason why they were basically walking bio-weapons), he probanly thought tenochtilan was the cleanest utopia in the world

>>17912506
Those "streetshitters" vanquished entire civilizations lol

>>17912502
>Spaniards talked about
Cortes talks about the water flowing in between the artificial islands, he never mentions an aqueduct

>>17912508
Yes, by being disease ridden pajeet-adjacent streetshitters (raped into existence by moors btw)

>>17912510
He mentions the causeways built for the purpose of transporting water into the city, and it's also mentioned in other writings beyond Cortes' personal account, like Fernado Ixtlilxochitl's biography of Nezahualcoyotl.
There's also the fact that y'know, there was logically something there as suggested by the fact that, again, Lake Texcoco's water wasn't potable and they needed to get water from somewhere, and the fact that Tenochtitlan's water supply could be cut in the first place like it was during the siege.

>>17912510
please do tell us more about the special biological adaptations that allowed the aztecs to drink saltwater

>>17912537
He mentions a causeway of water in between the artificial islands with a bridge above his head, the "fresh" water was likely the system they created through dykes and there never was a functioning aqueduct into the city and he probably just broke the dykes

>>17912546
*dike

>>17912546
It would be very easy to flood the city Im guessing, because their dyke system was originally made to control flooding

>>17911527 (OP)
Pretty clean. The aztecs were ironically way more civilized than Germans and other Northern Europeans at the time.
>Lake Texcoco was the largest of five interconnected lakes. Since it formed in an endorheic basin, Lake Texcoco was brackish. During the reign of Moctezuma I, the "levee of Nezahualcoyotl" was constructed, reputedly designed by Nezahualcoyotl. Estimated to be 12 to 16 km (7.5 to 9.9 mi) in length, the levee was completed c.1453. The levee kept fresh spring-fed water in the waters around Tenochtitlan and kept the brackish waters beyond the dike, to the east.[10]
>Two double aqueducts, each more than 4 km (2.5 mi) long and made of terracotta,[11] provided the city with fresh water from the springs at Chapultepec. This was intended mainly for cleaning and washing. For drinking, water from mountain springs was preferred. Most of the population liked to bathe twice a day; Moctezuma was said to take four baths a day. According to the context of Aztec culture in literature, the soap that they most likely used was the root of a plant called copalxocotl (Saponaria americana),[12] and to clean their clothes they used the root of metl (Agave americana). Also, the upper classes and pregnant women washed themselves in a temāzcalli, similar to a sauna bath, which is still used in the south of Mexico. This was also popular in other Mesoamerican cultures.

>>17912601
>Two double aqueducts, each more than 4 km (2.5 mi) long and made of terracotta,[11] provided the city with fresh water from the springs at Chapultepec. This was intended mainly for cleaning and washing. For drinking, water from mountain springs was preferred. Most of the population liked to bathe twice a day; Moctezuma was said to take four baths a day.
This is the part I call BS on. There was a known water palace for Aztec royalty built at the sourcw of the nearest mountain springs, with baths. There's no way everyone was using this

>>17912609
All evidence points towards terracotta aqueducts providing fresh/clean water to the city. They also have a culture of cleanliness unlike Germans at the time that didn’t bathe much. Or use soap. How do you explain how they managed to stuff in upto 200,000 souls into an island of 5.5 sq miles of land? All Europeans that saw it were amazed and proclaimed it as great as all the greatest cities of the Europe.

>>17912618
It was 200,000 people for the entire area of the lake. I don't know why they're claiming it was on a tiny island. That's ridiculous

>>17912618
Cortes said the Aztec city was "bigger than Cordoba" which is 400 square miles. So I assume that means the lake and the immediate area around it. That's pretty impressive for a culture that never engaged in large scale domestication and largely subsisted off of hunter/foraging and agriculture

>>17912651
Actually he probably was just lying

>>17912651
Bigger meaning more people.

>>17912678
It's highly unlikely for 200,000 people to live in 5 square miles, roughly half of which is farmland interspersed with living quarters and canals

>>17912874
Also the island wasn't 5 square miles, it was probably like 1-2 (because they joined the island to the north of them) and it has similar sized islands to the north and south of it.

you can verify this on google maps by going to mexico city

>>17912896
also when you type in "aztec baths" isntead of getting the actual stone bath tub they made you get the internet trying to tell you them using sweat lodges was somehow them having a culture of bathing?

>>17911527 (OP)
It was the largest population center of the new world. It was the sewer system and they farmed fish in it. It was poopwater 100%.

>>17912601
All that says is that they imported mountain water via aqueduct, nothing about the lake.

>>17912952
*SLORP*

>>17912508
>poos civilizations out of existence
>NO MAME WEY WE CONQUERED LE SHIVILISHATIONS ESE!
is this something you are proud of?

>>17912506
>jeetniards were unironic streetshitters (which is the reason why they were basically walking bio-weapons), he probanly thought tenochtilan was the cleanest utopia in the world
This is funny

>>17912601
>>17912618
>keeps bringing up north euros out of nowhere
Were they the ones that conquered the Aztecs?

>>17911527 (OP)
very funny pic, saving

>be azshreks
>cannibals living in a fucking swamp
>centuries later your descendants are mocked with shrek memes by total coincidence

I like it when memes have different levels

los ogros, indeed

Yeah, I guess their sewers must have drained into the lake, so yeah, it must have been contaminated with shit

but clearly the lake was big enough to dilute out the shit somewhat, that people didn't mind living on the lake, boating/swimming in it, or eating the fish

i didn't know about the aqueducts,

>>17913029
People aren't told that their fantasy land floating gardens were made of their own shit

>>17911527 (OP)
IIRC after the spanish cut the aqueduct during the siege the ones that tried drinking the lake water to slake their thirst got violently ill, can't imagine 200,000 people's worth of human and other waste did much for the water quality.

>>17913038
sure, but i guess it must not have smelled bad enough to drive everyone away

still tripping on these aqueducts, that seems really civilizationally advanced, it's civil engineering with gravity

>>17912874
Isn't the 200K figure extremely outdated and most mesoamerican history scholars nowadays concede that there were probably at most like 70K permanent habitants on Tenochtitlan/Tlatelolco itself and the figure only shoots up to the low hundreds of thousands if you include the satellite towns on the lake shore and smaller islands

>>17913058
oh of course .

>>17913051
yeah I'm not sure those existed, it seems there might be a lost in translation thing here where the dike system they created kept the saltwater back from the rest of the lake and that's what they're saying those things are in your picture.

First and foremost, every time you look this thing up you get the SAME picture of a Spanish built aqueduct, which they have to now say is Spanish built. WHY would I want to see a picture of a Spanish built aqueduct? I typed Aztec in, right?