Thread 17913201

The Soviet Union was a dystopian shithole that committed atrocities, don't get me wrong. But one can't help but notice the focus on unsavory aspects of the USSR in wartime, censorship, prison camps, or whatever is so obviously politically motivated and comes from one of one of two types of people.

>A: a libertarian or conservative who sees both Communism and Nazism as Socialism and uses both Soviet and Nazi brutality as proof we need free market capitalism and liberty slop, basically seeing the two as fundamentally the same
>B: a nazi sympathizer trying to whitewash nazism or someone trying to downplay German atrocities for whatever reason like clean Wehrmacht

There's been so much focus online and in academia about the Katyn forest massacre, Stalin moving various ethnicities around the USSR with internal deportations, gulags, dekulakization, Rape of Berlin. But the German equivalents of the same thing like Intelligenzaktion, slave labor, the Holocaust, Generalplan Ost, the Hunger plan, abductions of women in Eastern Europe who were forced to get raped in rape brothels for German soldiers were all unquestionably more brutal, ideological, and downright evil but you almost never see anyone speak about them. If you see someone online rattling off anting about bolsheviks and commissars, there is a 99% chance they are either a republican boomer or libertarian who hates "socialism" or a nazi trying to make the USSR seem as terrible as possible while totally ignoring Germany's crimes against humanity to rehabilitate Hitler and nazism.

The Soviet Union, as shitty as it was and yes a regime that did many bad things, can't compare in any way to the pure inhumanity of the Nazi one.

>>17913201 (OP)
>But one can't help but notice the focus on unsavory aspects of the USSR in wartime, censorship, prison camps, or whatever is so obviously politically motivated and comes from one of one of two types of people.
The third type is normies, which vastly outnumber the other two irl. But they're also the type of people who aren't arguing on a japanese basket weaving forum about the rape of Berlin

>>17913206
yeah that is true normies really eat it up too but I mean the types of people that argue about it passionately where it's clearly very political for them

Most Republican boomers think Nazis and Democrats are the same socialist evil

>>17913201 (OP)
>Rape of Berlin. But the German equivalents of the same thing like Intelligenzaktion, slave labor, the Holocaust, Generalplan Ost, the Hunger plan, abductions of women in Eastern Europe who were forced to get raped in rape brothels for German soldiers
The Holocaust is the clear exception here since only Jews are allowed victimhood over WW2 but other than that

>>17913201 (OP)
The Soviet Imperium is only scapegoated because Westoids are butthurt about Eurasian military superiority over them

>>17913201 (OP)
both are stupid and we should be glad that they were destroyed, and their proponents must be destroyed over and over for the sake of safety and civility
t. middle class intelligentsia supremacist

>>17913201 (OP)
Why are either of these things bad and why shouldn't we combine them into one mega ideology to combat communism?

Communism is much more dangerous than Fascism for the sole reason that more people fall for communism’s lies. Communism presents itself as a good ideology, selling policies which sound nice on paper, when all of this in fact is just a ruse. This becomes obvious once they take power and install bloody dictatorships, but by then it would be too late for the people who fell for these tricks to change their mind. Fascism is more honest in its evil so less people are fooled by it, thereby making it less of a threat.

>>17913201 (OP)
>a libertarian or conservative who sees both Communism and Nazism as Socialism

Because they fucking are. There's a reason you have massive levels of overlap of the interests of Nazis and Communists for just about any time period that isn't 1941-1945

>Interwar period
>Roland Freisler, Nazi Germany's chief jurist, dabbled with Bolsheviks while he was being held as a prisoner of war during the First World War, and later attended the Moscow Show Trials which inspired his comically retarded behavior as head of the German People's Court a decade later
>Sturmabteilung regularly recruited ex-Rotfront members and vice versa, at one point in 1933 the Gestapo estimated that 20-70% of SA recruits were former Communists
>Ernst Röhm regularly clamored to unleash a wave of revolutionary violence directed at Germany's aristocracy and officer class, in addition to the already ongoing attacks on Jews
>ex-Communists joining the Nazi Party became so common that the phrase "Beefsteak Nazi" as coined to describe the phenomena

>Cold War period
>East German bureaucracy is even more stuffed to the brim with unreconstructed Nazis than West Germany
>one of East Germany's legal political parties was literally created with the express purpose of catering to former Nazis
>USSR and East Germany provide extensive clandestine support to Neo-Nazis in the West such as Francis Yockey and Otto Remer

>German equivalents of the same thing like Intelligenzaktion, slave labor, the Holocaust, Generalplan Ost, the Hunger plan, abductions of women in Eastern Europe who were forced to get raped in rape brothels for German soldiers were all unquestionably more brutal, ideological, and downright evil but you almost never see anyone speak about them.

What the fuck are you blabbering about? The Holocaust alone basically constitutes an entire sub-genre of modern pop culture. The only thing you listed that actually seems to have been substantially played down is mass rape committed by German troops

>>17913201 (OP)
I mean you're talking about motivated arguments and yeah. A thing about a lot of facts is that they can be true but the reason why someone is stressing a particular fact all the time is because of some biased reason. It's like talking about black people doing crimes, that's not racist by definition or to say that there's a lot of it and it's a problem, but you know the guy who REALLY likes to talk about it is because he's a racist who wouldn't talk about methed-out crazy white people crime because that's in his in-group.

This is why calling people "wrong" usually doesn't lead anywhere. People can still be factual while advancing a narrative that is false, one-sided or uncritical in some sense.

>>17913470
>Because they fucking are. There's a reason you have massive levels of overlap of the interests of Nazis and Communists for just about any time period that isn't 1941-1945
Another thing that happens in warfare is mimesis. Enemies come to resemble each other. If you've seen recent images of the Taliban, they try to look like Western special forces operators now, while there was a whole trend of American special ops guys growing their beards out to blend in a bit better while in Afghanistan, and that spread and became fashionable with American men. The Nazis radicalized during the war with purges and the like, while the Soviet Army reintroduced shoulder boards to their officers and engaged in ethnic cleansing.

Another disturbing thing is that you can find a similar psychology among people who really get into Stalin and Hitler even if in their own minds they think they're the total opposites. It's like the anon who is always posting about Eurasian chads. He could be a Nazi but for whatever reason he finds communism to be a more attractive vessel for exhibiting those emotions around power worship and working out sadomasochistic impulses inside this basement of bad ideas of a website. There are people who will become attracted to these ideologies the more they view them as basically just cults of power that are good at inflicting cruelty and humiliation for their own sake. That's very much the point.

The other twist is they don't care if you're upset about it, because they're successful. So usually when I see a good critique of it, it's more Freudian or will try to mirror it back:
https://youtu.be/Glu9wA4HjE0

>>17913201 (OP)
USSR was around longer with more sympathizers so people had to argue with them more, developing more detailed arguments. Jewish intellectuals dominate all discussions of Nazi atrocities so other things they did are downplayed

Stalin had a reason for everything he did. Half of Hitler' s decisions were dictated by his childish racial beliefs.