Thread 17914609

>undoubtedly and unequivocally the worst of all mediterranean people with the least accomplishments
>live on periphery of every civilized nation since the new kingdom of egypt
>never conquered anything, like genuinely never except for Iberia during the collapse of al-Andalus
>be known only for being savage tribal disorganized bandits in the mountains and deserts whether by the egyptians, phoenicians, romans, arabs, turks, french
>others build civilization in your land and build cities while you continue squatting in huts in the atlas mountains
>completely illiterate people despite being next to the cradle of civilization (med sea), other than some ancient inscriptions in their knock-off phoenician script
>basically an NPC placeholder miniboss that never moves and is there only to give some minor resistance whenever a better nation seeks to conquer their lands
>only important people were either mixed or essentially fully punicized/romanized/arabized (eg saint augustine)
>today only exist in the biggest shithole isolated mountain ranges from where they savagely wage war against any sort of civilization effort (see: french conquest of algeria, algerian war)
Tell me a single mediterranean civilization or people who were worse than them

The way euromutts have to deny their Arab origin just to try and hide the fact that they got manhandled tied up butchered and impaled is nothing short of embarrassing.
Taking over that continent was feat when the locality were indojeet savages abiding by christcuck law.

>>17914609 (OP)
>Tell me a single mediterranean civilization or people who were worse than them
Fr*nce XD

>>17914609 (OP)
>completely illiterate people despite being next to the cradle of civilization (med sea)
This is the most insane part. This group has been known to exist by literate population for maybe 3500-4000 years, and have never ever adopted writing on a civilizational level. They made a knockoff phoenician script and used it for a few centuries to make graves but literally for nothing else, and then it died out. They never adapted the arabic script like the superior Persians, Turks, and even fucking Indians did, instead they relied on literacy solely on an urban arab elite which existed in their nations while berber language arabic texts are to this day one of the rarest finds in archeology. How does this happen. How do you live for up to 4,000 years next to literate populations some of whom built humanity's greatest civilizations, largest empires, and most advanced cultures, and you just... fail to take even the most basic level of culture from them and adapt your language at a larger scale into writing.

>>17914609 (OP)
>this would be considered huwite in muttland

>>17914609 (OP)
Saint Augustine was literally a mentally ill sex pest. He's not a good example.

>>17914878
he was also a thief, lol

So you're telling me Horn Africans were more civilized than them?

>>17914924
>We carried off a huge load of pears, not to eat ourselves, but to dump out to the hogs, after barely tasting some of them ourselves. Doing this pleased us all the more because it was forbidden. Such was my heart, O God, such was my heart–which thou didst pity even in that bottomless pit. Behold, now let my heart confess to thee what it was seeking there, when I was being gratuitously wanton, having no inducement to evil but the evil itself.
>Writing book two of his legendary “Confessions” his mid-40s, he reflects on his teenage years back when he ran with a few friends that consistently found themselves getting into trouble. Can anyone relate? I know I can. The boys moved in together and called themselves something to the effect of “The Destructors.”
The destructors. lol. lmfao.
>It was foul, and I loved it. I loved my own undoing. I loved my error–not that for which I erred but the error itself. A depraved soul, falling away from security in thee to destruction in itself, seeking nothing from the shameful deed but shame itself.

>>17914627
Brown samefagging gulf hands wrote this.

>>17914609 (OP)
They're also very annoying with their Internet wewuzzing, as of the last couple of years at least. Almost as bad as Albanians.

>>17915019
Albanians aren't pretending to be anything. We are legitimate descendants of Phoenician colonists. Albania is the Latinism of our country's origins, Mount Lebanon, Har Laban. Har Laban becomes Alban + ia.
Shqipëria e lavdishme përgjithmonë!

>>17914609 (OP)
>but le numidian cavalry

>>17914609 (OP)
>seething rapebaby rant
tl;dr lol

>>17914609 (OP)
Nafris never conquered Iberia. The ones that did it were syrians, lebanese, yemenies and the ones that ruled were like 80% Iberian (the Nazar family that ruled Granada were already blond blue eyed).

Anyways nafris 1000 years ago were basically pure caucasoid but in the year 1200 they started to enslave blacks so they ended up being mulattoes and octorones.

>>17915078
>Anyways nafris 1000 years ago were basically pure caucasoid
nope

>>17915078
Nafris were always brown, all the people that colonized nafris (Romans, punics and Arabs) were more Caucasoid than them

>>17915078
nafris were never "pure caucasoid"

>>17914619
france is easily the pinnacle of med civilization

>>17914956
he was truly an ancient nafri

>>17915009
Nah there are three people ITT.

The Argentinian shitposter, the Spanish weakling who gets humiliated and bullied by Arabs in France and the egyptian-brazilian-lebanese mongrel khopesh wielder from twitter who originally larped as Ancient Egyptian but got rejected by nafris and developed a massive hate boner against them.

>>17915078
>Nafris never conquered Iberia
You are a fucking braindead ape.

>>17915236
I am OP and i am none of them so what now.

>>17915009
>what the nigga calling you brown looks like

all this seething and arguing and yet nobody has been able to mention a singular more bottom of the barrel ethnic group on the Mediterranean yet.

>>17915236
you have a persecution complex, berbers are not important enough for people to care about them
>>17915266
because it doesn't exist, berbers are by far the least important people around the med, they have main character syndrome despite that

>>17914609 (OP)
>Tell me a single mediterranean civilization or people who were worse than them
i mean the adriatic is part of the Mediterranean so i'm pretty sure that Albanians are somehow worse than nafris when it comes to historical relevance and achievements

>>17915033
Trvthnvke.

>>17914609 (OP)
>Tell me a single mediterranean civilization or people who were worse than them
All of them.

>>17915387
Thread

>>17915387
on the left: not mediterranian
on the right: egyptians, them being better than northwest africans proves OP's point

reading comprehension issues here

>>17915387
>bro why is portugal such a shithole
>it's actually not
>posts a picture of the eiffel tower and the Louvre museum

>>17915408
On the left is your "civilization" before we taught you writing and architecture and on the right is our civilization.

Btw it's kinda pathetic how we live rentfree in your heads while we couldn't care less about your dying race.

>>17915408
you can't even spell the region you're trying to piggy back off of you illiterate retard
it's grade school knowledge that greekjeets copied everything they understand about statehood and art from egypt and sumeria/assyria. from architecture to laws to concepts of citizenship
lurk more stop posting

>>17915432
berbers didn't teach anything to anyone
>>17915447
egypt has nothing to do with northwest africans

>>17915447
>>17915432
Berbernegro larping as Egyptian

>>17915447
>egypt and sumeria/assyria
is egypt located in algeria, tunisia or morocco?

>>17915493
the academic consensus among your own scholars is that you were a bunch of illiterate mud dwelling savages prior to being civilized by Nafris during the orientalizing period

dilate

>>17915608
it's the academic consensus that berbers didn't civilize anyone, do you even understand what the thread is about?

>>17915628
No this is the academic consensus >>17915387

>>17915493
>>17915502
>>17915503
i never claimed to be egyptian or moroccan
but the strawhut nigger is literally the ancestor of "meds" until greeks started copying stuff from sumerians and egyptians
seethe about it, indojeet

>>17915662
it's the academic consensus that berbers didn't civilize anyone again

read the title of the thread: NAFRIs (BERBER ones)
you're way off topic

>>17914609 (OP)
lemme address this one by one. feel free to reply if i am wrong lmao
>undoubtedly and unequivocally the worst of all mediterranean people with the least accomplishments
Balkans people are worse
>live on periphery of every civilized nation since the new kingdom of egypt
Yeah the new kingdom of egypt, the one proto-berbers toppled and created various kingdoms on top of it during the third intermediate period. These kingdoms were all functional and literate btw.
>never conquered anything, like genuinely never except for Iberia during the collapse of al-Andalus
Egypt was conquered by the Meshwesh and others, alongside the Kutama. The Kutama also conquered the Levant and Hejaz. Sicily alongside southern Italy were also conquered by Berber kingdoms and the Marinids basically annohilated the Songhay and sent the sahel africans back to the stone age.
>be known only for being savage tribal disorganized bandits
good
>others build civilization in your land and build cities while you continue squatting in huts in the atlas mountains
traditional berber architecture doesn't even feature huts except those used for storage. Stone is basically the base of buildings everywhere except some saharan tribes, look at the kabyles.
>only important people were either mixed or essentially fully punicized/romanized/arabized (eg saint augustine)
you couldn't say that there were no important berbers, so you instead decided to come up with this absolute bullshit cope

>>17915668
the strawhut depicts the ancestors of berbers until a few centuries ago

>>17915673
>Yeah the new kingdom of egypt, the one proto-berbers toppled and created various kingdoms on top of it during the third intermediate period. These kingdoms were all functional and literate btw
they were functional and literate thanks to the fact that they were founded on top of egyptian civilizations
there's no proof west egyptian "libu" people were berbers and even if they spoke a berber language they would have been genetically different from western berbers

stop larping

>>17915673
>Balkans people are worse
balkan people are slavic, that accomplished much more than berbers
>Yeah the new kingdom of egypt, the one proto-berbers toppled and created various kingdoms on top of it during the third intermediate period. These kingdoms were all functional and literate btw.
berbers from west egypt were not genetically similar to berbers from algeria, morocco and tunisia and likely lacked iberomaurusian or e-m81 just like the modern ones
> The Kutama also conquered the Levant and Hejaz. Sicily alongside southern Italy were also conquered by Berber kingdoms and the Marinids basically annohilated the Songhay and sent the sahel africans back to the stone age.
the Fatimid identified as arab dynasties, as OP said, the few semi successful berbers identified as non berbers
>traditional berber architecture doesn't even feature huts except those used for storage. Stone is basically the base of buildings everywhere except some saharan tribes, look at the kabyles.
kabyles are not an ancient ethnicity, berbers lived in caves

>>17915670
I read it. Egypt is a Berber civilization. I know that you white trashes tend to be poorly educated but you should at least try to learn about the history of the region you are trying to larp as, there were no Arabs, Greeks and other such subhumans in North Africa prior to 600 AD, North Africa was entirely Berber.

Now let's get back on topic, while we were busy inventing writing, founding states, building pyramids, massive temple complexes, walled cities and stone houses, you were nothing more than illiterate savages, you had no cities, no writing, no clothing beyond loincloths, no concept of statehood, your greatest achievement were building mudhuts >>17915387

>>17915684
>there's no proof west egyptian "libu" people were berbers and even if they spoke a berber language
lemme answer that question for you. there exist fragmentary egyptian texts that transcribed the language of these people (kehek language), and the language has been identified as afro-asiatic and most probably a proto-berber variant withthe only definitively identifiable word being the same as in berber and the possibility of several other cognates being identified
>they would have been genetically different from western berbers
source?

>>17915703
>Egypt is a Berber civilization
it's not a berber civilization, you are we wuzzing
>North Africa was entirely Berber.
incorrect
>Now let's get back on topic
no, we don't go back to a topic that is broken to its very foundations, egyptians were not berbers, you didn't civilize anyone

>>17915676
it might but it's more characteristic to celtjeets up until germjeets slaughtered them at the orders of their turk masters

>>17915703
>600 AD
600 BC*

>>17915703
>Egypt is a Berber civilization.
man stop wewuzzing and start actually trying to defend your history rather than humiliating us.

>>17915705
>lemme answer that question for you. there exist fragmentary egyptian texts that transcribed the language of these people (kehek language), and the language has been identified as afro-asiatic and most probably a proto-berber variant withthe only definitively identifiable word being the same as in berber and the possibility of several other cognates being identified
exactly, there's no proof it's proto berber, this is a conjecture and an hypothesis

>source?
the fact that they were geographically extremely distant from berbers and even the modern berbers from those places don't resemble western berbers
if anything it's you that has to prove they were genetically berbers

>>17915698
>balkan people are slavic, that accomplished much more than berbers
yeah i'm sorry but we are talking about Mediterranean people. Slavs aren't, or most aren't at least. Albanians and Mediterranean south slavs ain't done shit.
>genetic autism
they were ethnically berber and part of the berber ""civilization"". whether they lacked some of the components western berbers did is irrelevant
>the Fatimid identified as arab dynasties, as OP said, the few semi successful berbers identified as non berbers
Byzantines identified as Romans, even the Ottomans identified as Romans. What does any of it change?

>>17915703
berbers we wuz more than negros lmao

>>17915721
>exactly, there's no proof it's proto berber, this is a conjecture and an hypothesis
The phonology of the language matches up exactly as with the proposed proto-berber phonology and stands in a heavy contrast with all other local language families like egyptian, nilo-saharan or semitic.The only definitively identifiable word ("azramat") is literally the same today (azrem in most lnaguages) and every other conjectured word makes sense to an extent. I'm sorry, but it's very clear that this is most likely a proto-berber variant, anything else is cope and you know it too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehek_language

>>17915732
>yeah i'm sorry but we are talking about Mediterranean people. Slavs aren't, or most aren't at least. Albanians and Mediterranean south slavs ain't done shit.
south slavs belong to slavic civilization, greeks as you know accomplished more than berbers, so you're left with just the albanians
>they were ethnically berber and part of the berber ""civilization"". whether they lacked some of the components western berbers did is irrelevant
no proof their language was berber and genetically they were likely not similar to western berbers just like the modern berbers in egypt >>17915698
>Byzantines identified as Romans, even the Ottomans identified as Romans. What does any of it change?
yet you're claiming "libu" (a misnomer) as some sort of turboberbers because there's a hypothesis they could have spoken something similar to proto berber even tho they were genetically likely very different, by this logic the fatmid were arabs
also the fatmid didn't just speak an arab language, they were from the middle east

>According to his official biography, he was born in Askar Mukram, in the Persian province of Khuzistan, on 31 July 874 (12 Shawwal 260 AH), or exactly one year earlier according to a different tradition.[1][2] Other traditions report that he was born in Baghdad or Kufa in Iraq, or the town of Salamiya, on the western edge of the Syrian Desert.[3] His original name most likely was Sa'id ibn al-Husayn, although in later life he insisted that is real name was Ali, and Sa'id was just a cover name
>His father died in 881/2, and Sa'id was sent to be fostered by his uncle, Abu Ali Muhammad, also known as Abu'l-Shalaghlagh, at Salamiya.

>>17915746
>The phonology of the language matches up exactly as with the proposed proto-berber phonology and stands in a heavy contrast with all other local language families like egyptian, nilo-saharan or semitic.
there's absolutely not true, this is a conjecture on your part, i won't let you just claim stuff, from the same page you posted
>though its nature as a fragmentary text makes it hard to identify as anything other than Afro-Asiatic

anything else is cope and you know it too

>>17915751
Are berber we wuzzers really claiming the fatmids now holy fuck

>>17915715
This is exactly what I am doing. I am correcting your pathetic attempt at racial appropriation and misrepresentation.

>humiliating us
It's not my fault if your history prior to the industrial revolution is incredibly humiliating.

>>17915751
>According to his official biography, he was born in Askar Mukram, in the Persian province of Khuzistan, on 31 July 874 (12 Shawwal 260 AH), or exactly one year earlier according to a different tradition.[1][2] Other traditions report that he was born in Baghdad or Kufa in Iraq, or the town of Salamiya, on the western edge of the Syrian Desert.[3] His original name most likely was Sa'id ibn al-Husayn, although in later life he insisted that is real name was Ali, and Sa'id was just a cover name
>His father died in 881/2, and Sa'id was sent to be fostered by his uncle, Abu Ali Muhammad, also known as Abu'l-Shalaghlagh, at Salamiya.
berbers will claim history itself is fake

>>17915761
Egyptians were not berbers, your language is more related to chadic languages than to egyptian
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Afro-Asiatic-languages
the fatmids were also not berbers

you are a larper

>>17915751
>no proof their language was berber
this is cope and you know it too. at least be balanced with your lying/baiting. no proof is just stupid.
>south slavs belong to slavic civilization
Dinaric south slavs belong to the same civilization as Russians living in Arkhangelsk but somehow Siwa Berbers don't belong in the same civilization as Tunisian Berber because uhhhhhh..... they might lack some iberomaurisian ancestry maybe??
>also the fatmid didn't just speak an arab language, they were from the middle east
the Fatimids were a Berber conwuering people, the Kutamas, at the time led by a preacher of Arab origins.
Of course we can come to accept that this doesn't count as Berber. But then we must also accept that most of British history is not British because their rulers were originally of foreign origins (such as german with the current one), or that Bulgaria never existed because they were ruled by the German Brabenberg dynasty.

>>17915763
>Alexander was the second son of Prince Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine by the latter's morganatic marriage with Countess Julia von Hauke. The Countess and her descendants gained the title of Princess of Battenberg (derived from an old residence of the Grand Dukes of Hesse) and the style Durchlaucht ("Serene Highness") in 1858.
pack it up, Bulgaria is not actually Bulgarian.

>>17915756
>there's absolutely not true, this is a conjecture on your part, i won't let you just claim stuff, from the same page you posted
from the page i posted
>The language's phonemic inventory seems very similar to the currently proposed phonology of Proto-Berber, even more so than Egyptian, Semitic, or the Nilo-Saharan languages.[2]

>>17915772
>this is cope and you know it too. at least be balanced with your lying/baiting. no proof is just stupid.
nope, this is not cope or baiting, the language cannot be reconstructed beyond the afro asiatic label, period
>Dinaric south slavs belong to the same civilization as Russians living in Arkhangelsk but somehow Siwa Berbers don't belong in the same civilization as Tunisian Berber because uhhhhhh..... they might lack some iberomaurisian ancestry maybe??
"dinaric" is not a thing, south slavs are mostly slavic genetically and there's actual proof they speak a slavic language, siwa berbers are genetically unrelated to berbers and the ancient meshwesh may not have even spoken a berber language
>the Fatimids were a Berber conwuering people, the Kutamas, at the time led by a preacher of Arab origins.
the fatmids were arabs from the middle east

>>17915780
from the page you posted
> though its nature as a fragmentary text makes it hard to identify as anything other than Afro-Asiatic
i'm not gonna concede, this, there's no proof it's proto berber

Berbers claiming the fatmids is just disgusting

>>17915770
Ancient Egyptians were Berber like every native in North Africa prior to the arrival of Arabs.

We built Egypt, not you euros. You were devoid of any form of civilization prior to being uplifted by us.

We have nothing do with a bunch of niggers living in Congo who carry haplogroup R1b. Your phylogenetic tree is baseless and not supported by genetics or even basic geography.

>>17915784
the fatimids were the kutama berbers led by an arab preacher. if this doesn't count as berber cool. but then the british starting with the house of Hanover count as actually German, Spain has not history because it's actually all austrian history because they were ruled by the habsburgs, hungary was ruked by the Italian anjoud etc.

>>17915796
No berbers claim these tent dwelling arabs. You are just samefagging.

>>17915799
>Ancient Egyptians were Berber like every native in North Africa prior to the arrival of Arabs.
ancient egyptians were not berbers, they didn't speak a berber language and were not genetically berber

>haplogroup R1b
siwa "berbers" carry more r1b than they carry e-m81 >>17915698, ouch, watch out, you're risking some serious friendly fire

>>17915799
ya khouya, stop being a retard and stop. Egyptians were not Berbers you are either a European doing this theatric to make us look srupid, or are misled. Why are you so fagged uo about Egypt?

>>17915800
the fatmids used some kutama before discarding them in favor of other soldiers, after the conquest of egypt the fatmids already diversified their army

>>17915800
Turks and Daylamites won the rivalry against the kutama, let's be honest here for a second, the kutama were just a bunch of mercenaries

berbers have main character syndrome, they always use these "hooks" to claim something as theirs

>y'all we wuz numidian cavalry and the punics used some numidian cavalry too, so we wuz punics
>y'all we wuz kutamas and the fatmids used some kutama too, so we wuz fatmids

>>17915824
They should just claim al Andalus and stop we wuzii g as anything else

>>17915811
>ancient egyptians were not berbers, they didn't speak a berber language and were not genetically berber
They did and they were Berber. Now it's time for me to destroy your larp

>The mitochondrial DNA (haplogroup I/N1a1b2) and chromosome Y (haplogroup E1b1b1b2b~) haplogroups of the Nuwayrat individual are most common in present-day North African

>Instead, a single two-source model (P=0.12) met the significance criteria (P>0.05), which consisted of a mixture of 77.6±3.8% ancestry represented by genomes from the Middle Neolithic Moroccan site of Skhirat-Rouazi dated to 4780–4230bce (Morocco_MN), and the remainder most closely related to genomes from 9000 to 8000bce Neolithic Mesopotamia (22.4±3.8%; Fig.3a).

>more r1b than they carry e-m81
Mere slave imports from cameroon/congo or Europe. Nothing do with us.

>>17915066
>yeah we're subhuman losers who never accomplished anything and got conquered by every culture we came across but... we enslaved some random italian villagers 300 years ago!
Pathetic.

>>17915827
>They did and they were Berber. Now it's time for me to destroy your larp
they didn't and they were not berber

>The mitochondrial DNA (haplogroup I/N1a1b2) and chromosome Y (haplogroup E1b1b1b2b~) haplogroups of the Nuwayrat individual are most common in present-day North African
not uniquely berber
>Instead, a single two-source model (P=0.12) met the significance criteria (P>0.05), which consisted of a mixture of 77.6±3.8% ancestry represented by genomes from the Middle Neolithic Moroccan site of Skhirat-Rouazi dated to 4780–4230bce (Morocco_MN), and the remainder most closely related to genomes from 9000 to 8000bce Neolithic Mesopotamia (22.4±3.8%; Fig.3a).
it's using the high natufian Skhirat-Rouazi samples that themselves descent from chalcholithic levantines
>All individuals from SKH show large proportions of a genetic component maximized in individuals from Neolithic and Chalcolithic Levant, Ptolemaic Egypt and modern-day Near Eastern populations (Fig. 1d)
you are dumb as heck

>>17915835
>77.6±3.8% ancestry represented by genomes from the Middle Neolithic Moroccan
>not Europe
BTFO

>E1b1b1b2b
>not R1b
BTFO


Snownigs on suicide watch

>>17915827
Savage lol

White troons will never recover

>>17915839
>not Europe
who claimed they were from europe? those morocco_mn are the skh samples that are chalcholithic levantines and resemble modern middle easterners, not berbers
>All individuals from SKH show large proportions of a genetic component maximized in individuals from Neolithic and Chalcolithic Levant, Ptolemaic Egypt and modern-day Near Eastern populations (Fig. 1d)

>E1b1b1b2b
not e-m81, berbers btfo

>>17915827
The berbernig just rejected the Siwa berbers lol

>>17915844
E1b1b1b is Berber. R1b is a mongoloid marker from Siberia unrelated to North Africans. You got BTFO.

>those morocco_mn
These Moroccan samples are Moroccan.

>modern middle easterners, not berbers
Modern middle easterners, do not ressemble Ancient Middle Easterners and do not descend from theM. Ancient middle easterners carried haplogroup E1b1b1b like Berbers and were infact Berber migrants.

Basically you got BTFO and you are seething.

>>17915863
not him and didn't read, you're brown and ugly

>>17915863
E1b1b1b1a is e-m81, which is berber, and at most E1b1b1b1, which is e-l19 could be claimed to be very related to berbers, e1b1b1b is too ancient to be berber or anything else
E1b1b1b2b and E1b1b1b2a (e-m123) are typical middle eastern clades of E1b

>These Moroccan samples are Moroccan.
they are related to recent middle eastern migrants
>All individuals from SKH show large proportions of a genetic component maximized in individuals from Neolithic and Chalcolithic Levant, Ptolemaic Egypt and modern-day Near Eastern populations (Fig. 1d)
>Modern middle easterners, do not ressemble Ancient Middle Easterners and do not descend from theM. Ancient middle easterners carried haplogroup E1b1b1b like Berbers and were infact Berber migrants.
berber we wuzzing

this is too stupid, you are likely trolling, i'm gonna stop here with you

>>17915882
The entirety of E1b1b1b is Berber. Middle easterners are J1.

>they are related to recent middle eastern migrants
No they aren't. J1 entered the Middle East during the Bronze Age.

>North African "wewuzzing" as North African
Fixed that for you ANEgrito mutt

aren't the Skhirat-Rouazi samples T?

>>17915900
Yes, he's a berbernig

>>17915900
>>17915901
Imagine getting BTFO so hard that you are reduced to samefagging lol

Egyptians were E1b1b1b. We are their descendants, not R1b Siberian mutts like you nor J1 sandniggers like Arabs.

>>17915703
What ?
Im nafri but no egypt was always their own thing
They are the afro asiatic cousins of berbers and semites but they werent berbers
There was some berber dynasties there tho

>>17915799
Ancient egyptians where just egyptians retard
Not berbers
They where their own thing

>>17915796
>>17915809
They were mostly berbers tho
>>17915824
Fatimids didnt use some kutamas
They where mostly kutamas in the first phase

>>17915283
Wrong. The ancient Romans pre-republic had Albanian dna. J2b-l283. Look it up.

>>17915921
fatmids were not berbers, the kutama were one of the many troops they used and they discarded the kutama in favor of turks prety early on during the conquest of egypt in the 970s, most of the military of most of fatmid history was turkish and iranic
and the leaders were always pure arab from the middle east

>>17915907
Cope

>>17915913
>egyptians
You wish Abdul. Ancient Egyptians were entirely E1b1a (Blacks) & E1b1b1b (Berbers) while you are almost entirely J1 (Arab).

>>17915921
Fatimids were Arab migrants from the Banu Hasim tribe and belonged to J1.

>>17915945
e-z827 isn't berber

>>17915958
No.

>>17916034
yes, not uniquely berber, as you can see here in this chart

>>17916053
It is present >at much lower frequencies< among Berber-admixed people yes.

>>17916071
no, because those people have different clades, berbers have em81, middle easterners and east africans don't , they all have a common ancestor that definitely predates the existence of berber languages

>>17916081
Berbers carry all branches of E-Z827, both the older lineage E-M81 and the younger lineage E-M123.

E-Z827 EAs / MEs are simply mixed race of Berber men and local women.

>>17916098
a few berbers have e-m123 because of middle eastern admixture, E-Z827 have no berber admixture and no berbers clades of E-Z827

>>17916100
>no berbers clades of E-Z827
E-Z827 itself is a Berber marker so they do carry a Berber hg.

>have no berber admixture
Yes they fucked nigress and chechen women for centuries so their original Berber is mostly lost. They are basically mongrelized races unlike Berbers/Ancient Eyptians.

>>17916105
>their original Berber is mostly lost
their original Berber ancestry is mostly lost*

>>17916105
stop trolling, brother

>>17916135
?

>>17916135
We aren't "brother", Abdul/Paco.

>>17915698
>>17915811
>>17915882
>>17916100
>>17916100
It's really the brazilian mutt Khopesh wielder lol

>>17914618
Your granny was raped by French soldiers, eh?

>>17914609 (OP)
Forgot to mention that they also populate European prison cells

>>17916509
Never understood why this guy has such a hate boner for nafris and some strange obsession with E-M81, but it all makes sense now. Turns out he's just a Lebano-Coptic mulatto whose family fled Egypt due to Hawwara chads murdering and raping his people, LMAO.

>>17916802
I'm not this guy but whatever makes you feel better

>>17915105
Berbers and nafris 2 different things

>>17915387
Since when were Egyptians nafris ?

>>17915502
Berbers and Egyptians are related Egyptians shows amzigh people to be white

>>17916849
Suuuure.

>>17916868
these aren't amazigh people, there's no proof they spoke a berber language and they weren't genetically berber, not even the siwa berbers of today are genetically berber >>17915698

>>17916868
they were depicted with various skin tones, and they were not "white" or european

>>17916982
incredible that berbers we wuz as people unrelated to them

>>17916994
it's because they lack accomplishments, so they like larping
the western berbers are more related to the egyptians than to the siwi autosomally (picrel), the siwi are more related to the egyptians than to the western berbers, , the siwi don't have e-m81 >>17915698 and and the siwi also don't carry iberomaurusian mtdna U6
>>Although U6 is considered specific of Berber populations, its absence in the Siwa sample suggests a differentiation between Berber-speakers living at the extremes of their geographical distribution range.

if the ancient meshwesh spoke a berber language (never confirmed, the kehek papirus, the only piece of evidence for the northwest egyptian late bronze age populations language, can at best be classified as afro asiatic) their modern descendants would be the siwi unrelated to the western berbers

>>17916998
Their fatmid larp can't be forgive tho, that's the worst, imagine we wuzzing the fatmids because they used some berber cavalry for 1/4 of the duration of the fatmid caliphate

>>17916868
>>17916994
>>17916998
Trying to claim that somehow the Libyans of ancient Egypt weren't Berber whatsoever is about as bad as berber wewuzzing fatimids. Both are basically so stupid i struggle to believe both of you are not baiting. The only linguistic source for them being only really connectable to reconstructed proto-berber including nearly completely similar phonetics which however deviates heavily from Geyptian, Semitic or Nilo-saharan and the only few words known are the exact same as in proto-berber. Yeah, sure, nobody will deny that the language can't be reconstructed properly simply due to insufficient data and findings. It cannot be truly positively identified as Proto-Berber, but to just come out and claim that they have nothing to do with them is a dishonest lie and you know it.

>>17916868
These are Libyan slaves. They were uncircumcised White migrants and were exterminated.

>>17917019
we are also ignoring that onomastically the ancient Libyans are literally thouroughly Berber. Sheshonq, Osorkon, etc. are all onomastically Berber name, in fact Wareskan (variation of Osorkon) is a name still usef in Berber and even makes appearances as a name in Numidian inscription. Professor Jason P. Silvestri compiled Libyan names, and noted that while initially mabye 4,500-4,000 years ago the Tjehenu names may have been more similar to Nilo-Saharan, Tjehenu names, and the subsequently apparing tribed and people (Kehek, Rebu, Meshwesh) were all fully onomastically very clearly Berber (This may imply that this wad the time when the Nilo-Saharan groups were pushed out of the area by Proto-Berbers.
Jason P. Silvestri's work on the ancient linguistics of these libyan tribes are of great important and a principal source when discussing them. You people are deeply unserious however and your only purpose here is to try and bait eachother without any research by closing your eyes and ears and simply throwing shit at the others.

>>17917022
Speaking of which. I had 0 clue Copts were humiliated so hard, no wonder Favela Dweller is perma seething.

>>17917019
>>17917024
>Trying to claim that somehow the Libyans of ancient Egypt weren't Berber whatsoever is about as bad as berber wewuzzing fatimids.
no, they weren't, there's no proof of that
>The only linguistic source for them being only really connectable to reconstructed proto-berber including nearly completely similar phonetics which however deviates heavily from Geyptian, Semitic or Nilo-saharan and the only few words known are the exact same as in proto-berber. Yeah, sure, nobody will deny that the language can't be reconstructed properly simply due to insufficient data and findings. It cannot be truly positively identified as Proto-Berber, but to just come out and claim that they have nothing to do with them is a dishonest lie and you know it.
this is conjecture, period, the language was afro asiatic not berber, there's no conclusive proof that is berber

they did not speak a berber language and they were not similar to berbers genetically, just like the modern siwi are also completely alien to berbers, autosomally, in ydna and mtdna

>>17917024
You really came to /his/ hoping to see a serious discussion? It's all just midwits flinging shit at eachother and circularly racebaiting

>>17917022
they weren't white migrant, they were closely related to egyptians, just like the modern siwi, and likely didn't even speak a berber language to begin with
>he language might also be the earliest example of a written down Berber, or Proto-Berber variety though its nature as a fragmentary text makes it hard to identify as anything other than Afro-Asiatic
but simply an afro asiatic language

>>17917031
you are genetically completely unrelated to the siwi just like you were completely unrelated to the northwest egyptians from the late bronze age (libu)
the fatmid dynasty was 100% arab from the middle east, no their biography isn't fake history

>>17917030
Why do you say stupid things so confidently and definitely like "it wasn't a berber language".
Let's make it clear:
It's not known what language family it resided in outside of Afro-asiatic. Phonetically it matches up with proto-Berber
>The language's phonemic inventory seems very similar to the currently proposed phonology of Proto-Berber, even more so than Egyptian, Semitic, or the Nilo-Saharan languages.[2]
And the only identified word matches up perfectly with Berber. Linguists have also hypothesized the meanings of some weirds using context clues and links with modern Berber, though that part specifically is conjecture, aka an educated guess. We know for sure it wasn't Egyptian, Semitic or Nilo-saharan, and the reason we cannot deny or confirm it's Proto-Berberness is because while it matches up in identified aslects, the identified aspects in question are basically nothing, and so little is available of the language that one identified word and a reconstructed phonemic inventory is not enough.
You claiming ao confidently it's not a Berber language is simply false, and shows your unseriousness. It's not known whether it was proto-Berber or is a now extinct cousin language to it, not because it doesn't match up with proto-Berber but simply because so little data is available. Onomastically, the names of the people that spoke this language are either very similar, or are the same as Berber.
You claim so confidently that it's not a Berber language, but you shouldn't, even if you are simply trying to bait.

>>17917024
no, there are various theories
The ―Egyptian origin of the names associated with the kings of the Twenty- second Dynasty has most extensively been suggested with the name of Osorkon. It has been suggested, for instance, that Osorkon is a reinterpretation of the name of the Egyptian god Osiris (Colin, 1996, 61; originally suggest by Stern, 1883, 25 see above). The name Wasir-kn could thus read, ―Osiris is strong (von Beckerath, quoted in Colin, ibid). Alternatively it could be a play on the Egyptian word Wsr (―to be strong‖) and may read ―Kn is strong (Colin, 1996, 63). Von Beckerath also hypothesized that the name Osorkon could mean something like ―the strong (wsr) and powerful (kn) [one], or ―Osiris (Wsir) is powerful (kn) (quoted in Colin, 1996 [vol. I], 63).
Far from being a ―foreign name based on an otherwise unattested ―Libyan god, it is possible that the name of Osorkon is in fact a reinterpretation of an Egyptian god or Egyptian terminology. The curious writing of the name Osiris in this context may be a result of the contemporary vocalization (Leahy, 1985, 60) of this divine name at this time or, possibly, the interpretation of this Egyptian divine name by a non-Egyptian group. There is no evidence within this name, however, to suggest that this ―non-Egyptian group was ―Libyan by descent or origin or that these names used by these groups were ―Berber, ―proto-Berber, or otherwise related to a North African origin.

>>17917036
>northwest egyptians from the late bronze age (libu)
The only thing we know definitely about these people's language is the fact that it was in no way Egyptian or closely related by it, and the only thing we know about them as a people is that the Egyptians thought of them as uncivilized savages thouroughly distinct, and yet you literally claim that they were actually Egyptians while ranidly denying any link with the people most historians and linguists hypothesize a connection with. You are fucking braindead, and not reliable when it comes to any sort of information.

>>17917044
it wasn't a berber language, it's you confidently saying it without any proof
>Phonetically it matches up with proto-Berber
having similarities = being a berber language
>he language might also be the earliest example of a written down Berber, or Proto-Berber variety though its nature as a fragmentary text makes it hard to identify as anything other than Afro-Asiatic
you quote says similar, not "it matches perfectly", and it has some similarity with a proposed "proto berber language" that isn't even a real language, you are trying to push an agenda

you are unserious if you claim it's a proto berber language let alone berber

>>17917053
who are you arguing with? have i not made it clear over and over again that it's identity as Proto-Berber is not a definite but currently the most likely hypothesis? I'm not talking in definites because i am not a unnuanced midwit like you.

>>17917049
>The only thing we know definitely about these people's language is the fact that it was in no way Egyptian or closely related by it
it was related to afro asiatic languages
> and the only thing we know about them as a people is that the Egyptians thought of them as uncivilized savages
doesn't make them berber
>and yet you literally claim that they were actually Egyptians
no, i claimed that they were genetically related to egyptians, not that they were egyptians
> You are fucking braindead, and not reliable when it comes to any sort of information.
you are projecting sicne you were exposewd as a liar, no proof that it's a berber language, also funny you are not addressing the fact that you don't resemble siwi berbers autosomally, in ydna or mtdna, not even remotely so even if they spoke some proto berber language they would be unrelated to you just like the siwi are unrelated to you

in short: stop we wuzzing

>>17917057
>who are you arguing with? have i not made it clear over and over again that it's identity as Proto-Berber is not a definite but currently the most likely hypothesis?
there's no proof it's a berber language, if you have a problem with this statement, you are intellectually dishonest

>>17917047
thanks, goes to show that there are various theories around these names, there's no "IT'S TOTALLY BERBER" consensus like they wish

>>17917059
>no proof that it's a berber language
How is the fact that every single identified aspect of this language similar or the same as Proto-Berber not proof of a possible link or maybe even the sameness? God fucking damn you are dense. And no, this doesn't mean that it was 100% a Berber language, because as i said, only midwits like you speak in definites when discussing ancient linguistics.

>>17917032
Your head canon is not supported by evidence. They were white migrants as shown by their skin color and their uncircumcised genitals whom the Egyptians severed by the thousands under King Merneptah.

From the Ahthribis Stele:
>“the uncircumcised phalli from the slain Libyans were carried off…to the place where the king was totaling 6,111 men…”

I know that you are desperate for white validation, being a christuck, but have some self-respect:

>>17917064
overall there's no proof that it's a berber language, see it's you having a problem with this factually correct statement

>>17917069
>They were white migrants as shown by their skin color and their uncircumcised genitals whom the Egyptians severed by the thousands under King Merneptah.
they were not "white migrants" and they were depicted with various skin tones
here they're depicted with the same skin tone of bedouins

>>17917071
>overall there's no proof that it's a berber language
You speak in definites again. All that survives is a single papyrus with a few lines. What we know otherwise is it's phonology (same or very similar to proto-berber), and a singular word tsrmt or zrmt whoch is the same a berber root zrm (snake).
Now does similar/same phonology and a wordroot identify and confirms it as proto-Berber? No, definitely not. Can you however claim that it's not Proto-Berber (0 proof of that btw) or that there is no proof of it being (there clearly is, just not enough to positively confirm anything)? Also no. Stop being a retarded faggot and grow up.

>>17917085
again, overall there's no proof it's a berber language, you clearly have a problem with this factually correct statement

you are also not addressing the fact that you don't resemble siwi berbers autosomally, in ydna or mtdna, not even remotely so even if they spoke some proto berber language they would be unrelated to you just like the siwi are unrelated to you

Berbers are such annoying larpers

>>17917084
Aside from the Nubians, all the men depicted in your pics are White. You misnamed all of them save for the Nubian btw.

Libyan > Nubian > Hittite > Mittanian > Libyan (again)

Picrel are actual Semites (Aamu).

>>17917085
If we found an ancient inscription in the language of a possibly Hungarian nomadic group and with the phonology and the only known word positively matching up with ancient Hungarian, it would still not be enough proof that it's Hungarian, but it shows a possible link, or similarity, and further findings and research would be needed.
What would be absurd however is if some sort of fag would go around whining and bitching about how IT WAS DEFINITELY NOT HUNGARIAN and THERE IS NO PROOF IT WAS HUNGARIAN. Neither are true. And people would be calling you out for being a gigantic faggot

>>17917084
And picrel are Egyptians.

>>17917094
>overall there's no proof it's a berber
you either don't speak English properly or you are genuinely fucking retarded. There IS proof. There is NO definitive proof.
It's like finding your fingerprints at a murder investigation. It's proof, but it's not definitive and doesn't prove that you did it.

>>17917100
> You misnamed all of them save for the Nubian btw.
i didn't, are you trolling or just stupid?

https://egypt-museum.com/ramesses-iii-prisoner-tiles/
>From right to left: the first captive is a Hittite with pale skin; his hands are tied behind his back and he wears a striped skullcap with a dotted rim. He wears a colourful short kilt and a garment tied at the shoulder.
>The second is a Bedouin Shasu with his wrists held in handcuffs. He has a small beard, which connects to his mustache; he is wearing a ribbed cap with a plain headband and his dress is composed of a kilt, a tunic, and a Syrian robe, as well as a circular pendant.
>The third is the traditional Asiatic with his elbows bound to shoulder height. He is most probably Syrian, recognizable by the sharp beard terminating in two points along his cheeks and his thick mass of black hair.
>The fourth is Nubian with tightly curled red hair. He wears a decorated collar and a short kilt over a long pleated robe with dotted fringe and belt.
>The fifth is a tattooed Libyan with his hands bound in front of him, bluntly cut shoulder-length hair with fringe and lengthy plait before his ear, with a black beard.

it's the whole thread you're being a retard on purpose

>>17917109
We don't have any similar languages, and the only links are with proto-berber, but these links are so few it can't be identified.
It's like being at a murder scene and you see fingerprints from someone, and no other proof linking snyone else. Fingerprints are not sufficient proof and maybe the murderer perfectly covered his tracks and disappeared (meaning the language family the Libyans may have spoke is extinct) but there is no real proof of that either. All we have now is a few fingerprints linking you, but fingerprints alone are insufficient proof in front of all courts of law.

>>17917109
nope, there is not proof it's a berber language, this is a perfectly correct statement
we have enough proof it's afro asiatic and has enough similarities with other afro asiatic languages that we could says "there's no definitive proof it's semitic/egyptian/insertafroasiaticlanguage too"

you are butthurt because it's a correct statement, we only have enough proof to determine it's afro asiatic, quit trying to tone police people because you're butthurt there's no actual proof it's a berber language

and AGAIN you are also not addressing the fact that you don't resemble siwi berbers autosomally, in ydna or mtdna, not even remotely so even if they spoke some proto berber language they would be unrelated to you just like the siwi are unrelated to you
why? because it completely destroys your we wuz?

>>17917120
To claim that there is no proof it was you or that it wasn't actually you is either untrue, or cannot be definitively established. Of course nobody can claim it was definitely you either because there isn't enough proof of that. I hope this analogy helps

>>17917122
>nope, there is not proof it's a berber language
omfg are you genuinely illiterate? there is fucking proof but it's insufficient for a definitive language classification, just like how there is proof for Illyrian being possibly related to Albanian but it's not enough for a definitive language classification either. This is how linguistics work.
>what about muh autistic special interest
i don't care about your haplogroup autism, i am talking about linguistics and ethnology, genetics are not relevant or decisive in either.

>>17917115
>random website
These are actual Aamu/Shasu >>17917100, here are even more Aamu/Shasu.

>>17917115
Archibald Henry Sayce
The Hittites: The Story of a Forgotten Empire

>Herodotos calls them 'Syrians' a name which is qualified as 'White Syrians ' by the Greek geographer Strabo. It was in this way that the Greek writer wished to distinguish them from the dark-coloured Syrians of Aramean or Jewish birth, with whom he was otherwise acquainted; and it reminds us that, whereas the Egyptian artists painted the Hittites with yellow skins, they painted the Syrians with red. It is an interesting fact that the memory of their relationship to the population on the Syrian side of the Taurus should have been preserved so long among these Hittites of Kappadokia.

>>17917130
it's the website of the egypt museum
liten it's very obvious that you're trolling, you need to make it less obvious, bye

>>17917129
>omfg are you genuinely illiterate? there is fucking proof but it's insufficient for a definitive language classification, just like how there is proof for Illyrian being possibly related to Albanian but it's not enough for a definitive language classification either. This is how linguistics work.
the proof of it being berber is so scarce that saying there's no proof is perfectly valid, it's an afro asiatic language, the rest is conjecture

>i don't care about your haplogroup autism, i am talking about linguistics and ethnology, genetics are not relevant or decisive in either.
no, now we speak about it, you are trying to drag on a pointless conversation, it was afro asiatic, that's all we can say, there's nothing else to add, if you don't like that, well it's not my problem
you are unrelated genetically to the siwa berbers, in ydna, mtdna, and autosomal ancestry, and so you would have been unrelated genetically to those people, whether they spoke berber or another afro asiatic language, admit this if you are honest

>>17917145
So? This site is clearly maintained by people with no credentials in the field, resulting in false information being spread. Actual Egyptologists like Sayce agree with me.

>Egyptian artists painted the Hittites with yellow skins, they painted the Syrians with red.

Are you clearly going to flee this thread like your ancestors fled Egypt?

>>17917155
>So? This site is clearly maintained by people with no credentials in the field
cope
there's no point arguing with you, this specific >>17917084 depiction is accurately labeled, i don't have time to waste with people that are clearly trolling, so bye

>>17916868
depends

>>17917151
there's no need for the "definitive", simply saying that there's no proof is enough, but i may add this "definitive" word if you admit you wouldn't be genetically similar to them just like you're not genetically similar to the siwa

>>17917161
Sorry, but the Aamu, like other ancient Afroasiatic populations, had brown skin. Your wewuzzing simply falls apart when confronted with Egyptian frescoes and their interpretation by major Egyptologists such as Sayce.

>Egyptian artists painted the Hittites with yellow skins, they painted the Syrians with red.
The Hittites: The Story of a Forgotten Empire, Archibald Henry Sayce, Egyptologist

>>17915387
Athens predates your rock piles.

>>17917255
berbernig things, don't mind them
>>17917228
>gobekli tepe
>athens
pick one

>>17915078
My favorite part about Berbers is how their only Ethnic groups that aren't completely Arabized, are black admixed tribes in the Sahara but they hate them for existing so nvm.

>>17917258
You just know these fags got massively bullied in their banlieue schools.

>>17917258
>pick one
Why? They both support my point.

>>17914609 (OP)
And, who gives a fuck?
>muh conquest
>muh civilization
>muh cities
>muh great people

>>17914609 (OP)
Whiter than Medjeets.

>>17917255
Just an average brazilian mutt with an identity crisis.

>>17917294
gobekli tepe has no connection to athens

>>17914609 (OP)
>>completely illiterate people despite being next to the cradle of civilization (med sea), other than some ancient inscriptions in their knock-off phoenician script
to be fair the cradle of civilization in around iraq, that's pretty far from north africa

>>17915244
the Almosravids were the undisputed kings of the sahara

>>17917375
or Egypt, yet they had stone architecture, cosmology, agriculture, etc, before Egypt.
Europe had wheat 3000 years before evidence of cultivation in Egypt.

>>17915945
Im nafri/berber you retarded cuck
>>17915945
>>17915933
Fatimids in the early phase where mostly berbers
Its only when they conquered the levant that they started to use turkic and other groups
>>17916860
Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians are all atleast 80 % berber
>>17916868
They also linked to semites
Its called the afro asiatic family

>>17914618
>The way euromutts have to deny their Arab origin just to try and hide the fact that they got manhandled tied up butchered and impaled is nothing short of embarrassing.

>mfw i've lived long enough to see amazighcucks claiming the arab identity after decades of anti arab sentiment
lol

>>17917265
We hate them because they masked matriarchal cucks
Not because of their black admixture

>>17917399
>Fatimids in the early phase where mostly berbers
the leaders were always middle eastern arabs, the military had a large presence of kutama, but only up untol the 970s, for most of its history the bulk of the fatmid military was turkic and iranic

>>17917403
t.

>>17917375
Athens also had wheat 4000 years before Egypt.

>>17917163
They were enslaved losers

>>17917399
>false attributes a random bedouin tribe to berbers while stealing ancient egyptians for other bedouins
least obviously arab larp
You will never have a civilization. You will always be under the boot of the Jews. Pakis and Bangladeshis will continue flooding your countries and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

>>17917398
>or Egypt, yet they had stone architecture, cosmology, agriculture, etc, before Egypt.
what's that got to do with athens or europe?

>>17917413
? what? earliest egyptian civilization is dated around 3100 BCE, 4000 years before that would be 7000 BCE, so early to middle neolithic, not much relevance to athens

>>17917403
did you forget the statue of your anti arab qveen in Khenchela?

>>17917420
The topic is med societies.
Gobekli tepe is the origin of domesticated wheat, the oldest known med civilization that led to the success of egypt and europe.
Laying claim to Gobekli tepe means you lay claim to all the greatness of the Mediterranean.
Claiming the cornerstone through wheat.

>>17917434
Gobekli Tepe was Berber too btw

>>17917434
Gobekli tepe is not european tho, it's middle eastern

>>17917446
Isn't Gobekli Tepe located in an Asian country?

>>17915387
Egypt was a province of a European empire by 300BC though

>>17917450
that nigga that claims the egyptians were berbers is trolling us again

>>17917449
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331423821_The_'Wheat_Puzzle'_and_Kartvelians_route_to_the_Caucasus

>>17917453
It was a province of a middle eastern empire by 700

>>17917478
Not European

>>17917485
>Anatolia is not Europe
Were the Trojans chinks, berbers, or arabs then?

>>17917485
>not indo-european

>>17915933
>>17917405
>Iranic
no such word exists. That's Iranian.

Turkish/Turkic classification makes sense, because the ethnic Turkish and the ethnic Turkic are the different stuffs.
The ethnic Iranians and the ethnic ""Iranics"" are the same thing on the other hand.
>B... but, Iranians in Islamic republic of Iran are only a part of the Iranics
They have never made up an ethnicity "Iranian" to distinguish Iranians inside and outside of historical Persia.
Sogdians, Khwarazmians, and Scythians are all Iranians.

>>17917500
They were general west Asians, but trojans wee way different from gob tepe inhabitants

>>17917434
Gobekli tepe was a Hunter Gatherer camp. The actual root of farming is the Natufian settlement of Abu Hureyra.

White contibution to its invention is inexistent, unless you consider providing mtDNA J2 & R sex slaves for Natufian men a contribution of course.

>>17914609 (OP)
You are very clearly a butthurt Arab upset that there’s a North Africans are increasingly identifying with their native Amazigh roots.

>>17914609 (OP)
>>17914627
iberomaurusian genes

>>17917434
>Gobekli tepe is the origin of domesticated
Iran_N built

>>17914609 (OP)
algerian here, i can confirm

>>17918595
>berber here
Well this settles it.

>>17918605
im not berber you idiot

>>17918607
You're an Arabized Berber. Same thing.

is this the shitalian still seething about nafris?

>>17918632
>You're an Arabized Berber. Same thing.
there are some individuals with a lot of arab dna, maybe he's one of those, you cannot be certain

>>17918632
shut the fuck up you berbernig faggot. im not berber and i know what berbers are like, what they look like and we're not the same. youre pathetic parasite leeching off my country i wonder whats the percentage of berbers who died in the algerian war of independence btw, probably close to none

>>17918458
Gobekli tepe was a mixture between iran_n, natufians, anatolian farmers and chgs, they were overall middle easterners

>>17918658
Arab is a linguistic group not an ethnicity. You're as "Arab" as a sudanese or a paki.

>>17918665
you're misunderstanding, i'm saying that there are SOME individuals with high arab ancestry, so you may never know, he may be one of those

berbers are wannabe european cucks, slaves of the french

>>17915751
>south slavs belong to slavic civilization

no such thing, slavs are mostly poor semi-third worlders living on the coattails of celto-germanics

>>17918663
you will never be arab

reminder that the guy claiming meshwesh have nothing to do with berbers is a self hating nafri larping as arab

>>17918668
And I am pointing to you that Arab identity isn't rooted in genetics but rather linguistic. There's no Arab profile because Arabs are by definition are a bunch of mutts from all over the world who merely happen to speak a common language.

>>17918682
you will never be human faggot

>>17918680
>poor semi-third worlders
let me guess, you've never heard of berbers

>>17918690
>berbersubhuman still gaslighting
J1 haplo group is up to 40% in libya, a north African country, meaning almost half the population is arab

>>17918703
cool this does not change the fact that slavs are poor semi-third worlders

>>17918690
Yes I'm not denying that, I agree with you, I'm just saying that rarely you could find a person with high Arabic DNA, not saying it's common at all

this is how this thread could be summed up

>>17918703
i know that berbers, like all menas, aren't rich, but this resembles a war torn country, berbers, explain yourselves

>>17918706
Well that's makes you a Chechen cumrag.

>>17918718
>what are earthquakes

>>17918703
>this is the guy telling you we built pyramids n shit

>>17918718
actual arabs are pretty rich, yemenis aside

>>17918721
>more concentrated in Azerbaijan than middle east
?
this makes no sense

>>17918714
We are simply talking past each other here. I do not acknowledge the existence of any so-called Arab DNA at all. There's no shared genetic heritage between picrel.

Arabness like Americanness has 0 biological basis.

Italian mediterranean excellence truly the inheritors of glorious rome

>>17918746
>Arabness like Americanness has 0 biological basis
yes, i agree on that, but wouldn't that make it more reasonable for northwest africans to identify as arab

>>17918731
that's one subclade

>>17918740
everything in this pic looks way more civilized than this >>17918703 not gonna lie, Boumerdes (even more of the kabyle region for that matter) looks third world as fuck

>>17918769
cope

>>17918761
Not really. This just makes them as delusional as the original larpers. For example, if a man starts LARPing as a woman and another man imitates this troon and also start larping as a woman, it doesn’t make his LARP any less delusional, they are simply both delusional troons.

>>17918774
look at the clothes, the non destroyed buildings, Boumerdes is third world as fuck

>>17918783
but it would do away with the self hating factor, since larping as arab wouldn't mean imitating saudis

>>17918786
cope

>>17918789
It means imitating Hebrew/Israelite, claiming descent from the Abraham through Ishmael and speaking some Hebrew pigdin (Arabic).

Saudis are self hating Chechens larping as descendants of Ishmaelites using fabricated genealogies. Nafris are doing the exact same thing. Ultimately all racial trashes unrelated to Semites and Natufians and Israelites.

>>17918663
Holy self hate coon
denying the berberity of algeria is completely retarded
We are 90% berber by blood minimum
And blood and culture is different you retard
You can still be proud to be arab because arabicness is mostly cultural
Even yemenis arent true arabs
>>17918690
95 % of arab speakers are afro asiatics

>>17918671
Lmao retarded cuck
Is this why they where the fierciest regions against european colonialism ?
Wheter its the rif in morocco or kabylia in algeria ?
France struggled 40 years to conquer kabylia and kabylia has the highest number of martyrs during the algerian war of independance
riffians that where the only ones doing shit agaisnt France and spain

>>17918706
Negro J1 doesnt mean arab
J is a churka haplogroup originally and if those J are before the arab conquests then its irrelevant
Btw even arabs of the middle east are half non J

>>17918706
Negro J1 doesnt mean arab
J is a churka haplogroup originally and if those J are before the arab conquests then its irrelevant
Btw even arabs of the middle east are half non J
>>17918703
>>17918718
>post a pic of an earthquake
>>17918715
If this is a nafri that post this
Im laughing my ass off

>>17918731
J come from the caucasus then spread into Middle East
It peaks in Chechens and Avars

>this thread
Holy shit kill all those schizos subhumans

>>17918895
maybe but let's analyze this for a second, J became a major haplogroup in the middle east likely before the arab identity

>>17918895
so arabs are caucasians?

>>17918703
>>17918769
it was an earthquake in 2012

>>17918883
>we are 90% berber
then no wonder we live in a shithole like this while saudis drive to work in lamborghinis

>>17918895
>>17918891
>>17918721

J is native to Africa/Midde East

whites inherited it through migration groups that bred with the domestic hominids that would define your ancestors

>>17919189
Modern frequencies don't define origin

>>17918941
No they are MENAs/Afro Asiatics but with a caucasus haplogroup
Are Indians eastern european because they are R1A

>>17915033
That's a new one, Albanians on the internet often like to make exaggerated or flat-out ridiculous claims about the origins, history and antiquity of their nation, but Phoenician is a first

>>17918914
True, it is likely that proto-Semites were a mix of Natufians or related peoples and newcomers from the southern Caucasus/NW Iran and surroundings