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Anonymous No.17915706 >>17915779 >>17915793 >>17915797 >>17915841 >>17917496 >>17917531
Jesus is pretty obviously nowhere to be found in the old testament. It's cringe on Earth every time a pastor tries to do a "Jesus in the old testament" series
Anonymous No.17915779 >>17917531
>>17915706 (OP)
Angel of the Lord
Anonymous No.17915793 >>17916756
>>17915706 (OP)
>And God said WE made man in OUR image

God referring to himself in third person like that is frequently taken as referring to the trinity.
Anonymous No.17915797
>>17915706 (OP)
Ain't he pretty much the whole point of the NT DLC?
Anonymous No.17915841 >>17915852
>>17915706 (OP)
He was hidden from the beginning and only revealed to a select few.

He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,

And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,

And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

5 All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,

And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

6 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,

Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

7 And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous;

For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous,

Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness,

And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits:

For in his name they are saved,

And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life.
Anonymous No.17915852
>>17915841
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Anonymous No.17916756 >>17917496
>>17915793
christkike retcon

elohim was in a pantheon
Anonymous No.17917368
Naomi and Ruth?
Anonymous No.17917496
>>17915706 (OP)
what >>17916756 says, but to expand on it even further.
The bible is a not a single work, it's a collection of texts written by countless people over thousands of years.
Genesis rips largely from ancient Babylonian texts, it pretty openly acknowledges the existence of other gods, because it was written by polytheists.
Exodus also accepts the existence of the Egyptian gods, but simply asserts that their own god is stronger.
The next few books are dedicated to laws detailing stoning and sacrificing animals. It's not a parable, it's just a law text, written during a time when stoning and animal sacrifice was what people believed in.

Then there's the whole historical section with the psalms clumsily placed in the middle of it, likely because it's the most well read part of the bible so it's convenient to have it in the middle of the book so it looks nice when put on a table.
The end of the old testament and the start of the new testament is separated by a 500 or so year gap wherein suddenly the jews are using a bunch of Platonic ideas in their religion, and animal sacrifice is just quietly ignored without ever really acknowledging it.

It's not magical, there's no deeper meanings to 99% of it, it's written the way it's written because it was kept as an oral tradition for most of its history so it had to be easy to remember. It's also old so even when it's translated into modern languages they want to preserve the spirit of the original, giving it an antiquated style. This makes it very vague and easy to take out of context.

Read the bible cover to cover, it's not that long, it's just a book.
Anonymous No.17917531 >>17917564
>>17915706 (OP)
fbpb, >>17915779 has it.

It's made abundantly clear in Genesis 31:11-13 - "The angel of God said to me in the dream...I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me.".

Bear in mind this is referring to Genesis 28:13 which explicitly says "I am Yahweh". So in the Old Testament, Yahweh has a messenger who is also Yahweh. Sound like anybody you know?
Anonymous No.17917564 >>17917605
>>17917531
>Genesis 28:13 which explicitly says "I am Yahweh".
It doesn't say "I am Yahweh", it says "I am the God", as in "the El", which angels frequently say in the bible.
Anonymous No.17917605 >>17917635
>>17917564
It does, Genesis 28:13 says "I am Yahweh, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac."

Then the messenger of Yahweh ("angel of the Lord"; "angel" just means "messenger", and of course "the Lord" is how we often render YHWH) claims to be the one who spoke those words. So it's the messenger of Yahweh, who is also himself Yahweh. You know who this is.
Anonymous No.17917635 >>17917668
>>17917605
No, Genesis 28:13 says "Yahweh stood above, and said I am Yahweh".
Then in Jacob's recounting of the story he refers to an angel of the Elohim(מַלְאַךְ הָאֱלֹהִים) saying "I am the El"(אָנֹכִי הָאֵל)
Anonymous No.17917668
>>17917635
>No, Genesis 28:13 says
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "no" in this sentence since you then quote him saying what I said he that: that he is Yahweh. Could you lay out your overall position in some detail?

>Then in Jacob's recounting of the story he refers to an angel of the Elohim(מַלְאַךְ הָאֱלֹהִים) saying "I am the El"(אָנֹכִי הָאֵל)
Yes, "El" means "deity", so it translates to "I am the God" and specifies "of Bethel where thou hast anointed a standing pillar, where thou hast vowed a vow to me". It's the God of Bethel who gave His name as Yahweh, and it's Yahweh who Jacob swore a vow to in Genesis 28:21.

This being is Yahweh, yet also the messenger of Yahweh.