Thread 17917184

When the Romans invaded Europe, they brought infrastructure, order, and peace. When the Germanic tribes invaded Rome, they plundered it into a dark age.

When the Moors took over Iberia and parts of Southern Europe, they brought back civilization that let them out of the dark age. When the crusaders invaded Jerusalem and Constantinople, they committed so much bloodshed and cannibalism.

When the Spanish colonized the Americas, they ended human sacrifice and slavery, and they also genetically and culturally integrated with the natives. When the Brits colonized the world, they committed genocides and left with chaos and warfare between tribes.

Hilo hispanista de mierda.
Los colonos nordicos tambien se mestizaron con los nativos, tan solo tenemos que ver a las 5 tribus civilizadas y su farmeo de mestizaje, al igual que el mestizaje entre negros y europeos del norte en sudafrica.
El hispanismo es una reverenda basura

A shitty Hispanist thread.
The Nordic settlers also interbred with the natives; we only have to look at the Five Civilized Tribes and their farming of interbreeding, as well as the interbreeding between Blacks and Northern Europeans in South Africa.
Hispanism is complete garbage.

>>17917184 (OP)
Spanish America was about as segregated as Anglo America, the only difference is the independent latin countries started to racemix with the locals whereas the US maintained segregation

>>17917279
Definetly no.
Poor indian ladinos, mestizos and spaniards worked in the same jobs.
Tejedor was a common one among them, also tratante

>the only difference is the independent latin countries started to racemix with the locals whereas the US maintained segregation
The stupidest thing i ever heard when mestizos were more numerous than creoles in the colonial mexico.
Around 25% mestizo and 20% creole

>>17917184 (OP)
>When the Spanish colonized the Americas, they ended human sacrifice and slavery, and they also genetically and culturally integrated with the natives. When the Brits colonized the world, they committed genocides and left with chaos and warfare between tribes.
Where does this stupid meme come from? The Iberians were MORE brutal than Anglos.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Genocide_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_South_America

>>17917305
Many of these "genocides" were invented by the spanish crown themselves, since they wanted excuses to take the encomenderos land

>>17917309
So true!

>>17917309
Proof of this is how the spanish crown didnt forbid Bartolome de las casas and Bernardino de sahagun books, butbthey would forbid the books that would talk bad about the spanish crown.

>>17917184 (OP)
>When the Romans invaded Europe, they brought infrastructure, order, and peace
The Romans genocided the conquered peoples left and right, it's just that the word "genocide" didn't exist back then so nobody sees it as such.
Interestingly the word didn't the exist during the Anglo colonization of America either, yet everybody calls it genocide.

>>17917295
But they rarely racemixed.

The idea that their ethnogenesis was a consensual, society-wide union between two races a le Cortes and la Malinche is nowhere near the actual truth (i.e, that droves of lower classes poured into the same degenerate urban hives in the second half of the 19th century where they racemixed and multiplied like rats in a granary) and gives them a perceived degree of moral superiority over the anglos who live in their heads rent free. There's a reason it's always latinxs (+a few western coomers, but they're alright, not that racemixing is an advisable life choice) pushing this narrative while actual spaniards are happy to just go:
>lmao we killed a bunch of panchitos

>>17917184 (OP)
>Roman infrastructure
often built on existing systems >Germanic tribes
contributed to cultural synthesis
>Moors’ advancements
coexisted with conflict
>Crusades
had complex motivations beyond bloodshed
>Spanish colonization
Introduced new forms of exploitation
>British colonialism
left lasting institutions

>>17917357
>But they rarely racemixed.
False, most conquistadors married with the indians.
You know what mestizo means dummy? Mestizos were already more numerous than whites in 1790.
Mestizos were at 25% and whites 20%

>>17917270
>Hispanism is complete garbage.
Correct
>>17917184 (OP)
The error in this disgusting image made by Latinxs is that the premise is wrong. It's as simple as that, this is a romantic vision of the colonies that was only created in response to the black legend that Engloids created against Spain. But it turns out that the Spanish had a caste system, and although the church made a point of treating human beings with dignity, the Spanish did not treat them as "hermanos" or "iguales." They had a caste system, and only castizos had more prominent rights. And most importantly, the mixing occurred AFTER the rise of separatist movements in the colonies, i.e., it was not the Spanish who mixed, but rather their descendants in these colonies. Moreover, the Spanish, like the English, did not fully integrate the Indigenous and Black people.
>>17917279
Correct
>>17917305
You and the OP are ignorant, although there were indeed very violent conflicts and decimations, they were not even remotely commonplace and the majority of Siberians in the jungle died due to diseases, not thought-out and deliberate massacres.

>>17917882
>separatist
independence*

Anglos are kind of inarguably the good guys of history.

>The error in this disgusting image made by Latinxs is that the premise is wrong. It's as simple as that, this is a romantic vision of the colonies that was only created in response to the black legend that Engloids created against Spain. But it turns out that the Spanish had a caste system, and although the church made a point of treating human beings with dignity, the Spanish did not treat them as "hermanos" or "iguales." They had a caste system, and only castizos had more prominent rights. And most importantly, the mixing occurred AFTER the rise of separatist movements in the colonies, i.e., it was not the Spanish who mixed, but rather their descendants in these colonies. Moreover, the Spanish, like the English, did not fully integrate the Indigenous and Black people.
Why so many people say that mixing happened after the independence when literally 25% of the population of New Spain was mestizo in 1790 and only 20% were white? Why people always want to spread misinformation

>>17917890
No

>>17917279
The difference is in Latin America the lower classes were allowed to racemix while it was expressly prohibited in North America. If you see a white person in Latin America you can safely assume they’re rich while in North America they could be part of any class.

>>17918287
it was Ellis islanders that pushed for integration not WASPs

>The difference is in Latin America the lower classes were allowed to racemix while it was expressly prohibited in North America. If you see a white person in Latin America you can safely assume they’re rich while in North America they could be part of any class.
Im mexican and this is sort of true, even though, there are white mestizos too, and many, but you can detect them since they are often tiny or look like a moor spaniard.
A true whitexican is someone that looks germanic, blond, blue eyes and very white

>>17918012
Pendejo, >Numbers pulled from the sky. I don't want to hear the victimizing, inclusivist Hispanic babble that your ideology proposes. There's nothing more to talk about here. The mixing occurred after the independence of the colonies, and it wasn't the Creoles themselves who mixed with the Indians. Related photo ends the discussion. It's over.
You must necessarily change your discourse, and what if Spain isn't yet
>le racist like le English
I assume you'll have to do some mental gymnastics to hide this fact?
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1720798115
>misinformation
correct, then never comment on this Hispanic garbage on any platform again, follow your own words, you have been successfully educated

remembering, this is what our average "Hispanista" friends look like hahaha
Guys, just ignore them

>>17918426
Why didn't you show him the Spanish caste system? Hispanists have a mental breakdown

>>17918426
Ok, you want sources? Lets see what Alexander Humboldt, in his essay of New spain of 1808 (before the independence) said pendejo.
>In his famous Political Essay on the Kingdom of New Spain, Alexander von Humboldt estimated that in 1808 the number of Indians exceeded 2,500,000. 2 That of the whites “or Spaniards” probably amounted to 1,200,000. 3 —of whom only 70 or 80,000 were born in Europe—, 4 Blacks numbered around 16,000. 5 And the castas, derived from the “mixed races,” 6 comprised 2,400,000. 7 That is, at the end of the colonial period, the Indians constituted the majority of the population, 41%, followed by the “castas” with 39%, whites with 20%, and Blacks with just 0.26%.
Your own pride has marked your downfall.
https://www.estudioshistoricos.inah.gob.mx/revistaHistorias/wp-content/uploads/historias_61_67-84.pdf

>>17918446
iberians did not create greco-roman civilization
they were just as much barbarians subjected to it as the britons, goths, gauls, etc.

The Crusaders brought organization to the chaotic Middle East.

>>17917184 (OP)
Dios odia a hispanoanlantes

>>17918446
iberojeets sucking of Greek and Italian wops will always be the funniest meme of the internet for me