Thread 17917569

Do we need more immigration to catch up to China

>>17917569 (OP)
>China somehow functions perfectly fine
It's barely holding itself together right now. And they have a separate set of problems to deal with, precisely because of the utter dominance of Confucianism in their society, with little foreign culture to mediate.

>>17917577
yeah Peter Zeihan told me China is about to collapse in 2 more weeks

>>17917569 (OP)
Without infinity subcontinetals we can't and won't compete. Do you want to lose against China? Its very simple. We devalue everything about our society and misery-maxx. We'll also need to give up meat eating and not question certain things ever.

Then we win.

>>17917569 (OP)
>China
>Catch up to China
>Be more like China
>China is succeeding because it’s communist/capitalist/Confucian/whatever I support
>China will fail because it’s communist/capitalist/Confucian/whatever I oppose
>CCP collapsing in 3 days, trust me bro
>CPC global hegemony in 3 days, trust me bro
>China China China
Can you motherfuckers shut up? I feel like I’m going insane, the US is inhabited and run by people who think real life is a Paradox game and can only be motivated to do anything due to the geopolitical implications. We have much bigger problems than China, can we focus on those instead

>>17917569 (OP)
China is actively importing thirdies, actually.
You go to southern urban areas you'll find whole neighbourhoods of nogs whose immigration status is unclear.

>>17917577
>And they have a separate set of problems to deal with, precisely because of the utter dominance of Confucianism in their society, with little foreign culture to mediate.
The CCP wiped out Confucianism idiot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticize_Lin,_Criticize_Confucius

>>17917569 (OP)
China has a large rural population to source migrants from, the west does not, since we already emptied out our rural areas long ago.

>>17917604
Idiot, you know literally nothing about China or Chinese culture. Or any nation and their respective culture to begin with. A dominant philosophy and its influence on the culture doesn't just go away after 30 years of chest beating political slogans, let alone 3 years. Your response being dropping a Wikipedia page than actually discussing their culture says it all.

Can someone please explain to me why nativists have such a stick up their ass?

Like what happened in your life that makes you obsessively seethe over immigration

>>17917618
The cultural revolution wiped out old Chinese culture and replaced it with Marxism. Cope.

>>17917621
I'll just let you think about the Tiger Mom archetype, the Gaokao exam, the Chinese education system, and how that relates to Marxism. Or Confucianism. Come back when you want to have a serious talk.

>>17917619
What happened in your life that you have no sense of cultural cohesion and national identity?

>>17917569 (OP)
Importing trash brown/black people is how one destroys their civilization, they're a net drag on any economy.

>>17917629
Cultural cohesion and national identity don't bring me any material benefits.

Immigration does, because living in a growing place is better than living in a place in decline.

>>17917637
Importing brown/black people doesn't grow any economy because they're a net drag which requires white handouts to survive.

>>17917644
Maybe in Europe but not USA.

>>17917637
Money can't replace social trust.

>>17917645
The US is no different, brown/black people are a net drain that only survives on white handouts. You can find exceptions to t he rule, the occasional productive darkie, but they are not the norm.

>>17917647
I'd rather have a billion dollars and lock the doors than not having the money and leaving the doors unlocked.

>>17917647
I'd rather have money than some arbitrary abstract concept of 'social trust'.

There are plenty of places in USA that don't have many immigrants at all. West Virginia, bunch of rust belt towns, great plains towns. Feel free to enjoy yourself there.

>>17917652
What percentage of the federal budget of the United States goes to handouts for black/brown people?

China is literally a stagnating middle income power with a demographic implosion worse than Japan and Korea combined

60% of their population will be 65 or older in 30 years

>>17917652
Objectively wrong

White Conservatives are the biggest parasites in America

Without tax dollars from cosmopolitan cities, you inbred fucks would unironically have 3rd world economies and infrastructure

Which you’re half way to anyway

lol

Stop biting the hands that feed you

>>17917654
>arbitrary abstract concept
lmao it's literally the glue that keeps society functional and safe
>There are plenty of places in USA
of course you're a rootless amerifat obsessed with materialism

Nativists view immigration as the destination country being exploited by an immigrant.

In reality, immigration is the origin country 'steeling' a resource from the origin country. The destination country gets a working adult while paying nothing for their education and childhood.

In the future, as birth rates in low to middle income countries declines, expect to see some countries impose exit restrictions to prevent population collapse. Basically, immigration means that rich countries are shielded from population collapse in our lifetime because we can just get immigrants. That's a massive crisis that will be averted as long as we do not fall for nativism.

>>17917665
>Objectively wrong
Not even. As society continues to collapse, denying the fact that brown and black people are the problem will become more impossible. Until then, continue living in your delusional fantasy while white handouts keep you alive.

>>17917667
>the glue that keeps society functional and safe
That's money. When people have money society is functional and safe because they have no need for antisocial or criminal behavior.

>>17917659
so like the west then, except china at least acknowledges the problem

>>17917653
There was a time before mass migration when white people had money and didn’t need to lock the door.

>>17917665
We see the consequences of outsourcing the industrial base and shifting to a financialized service economy. Manufacturing cities used to be the wealthiest in America. For the past 30 years, the "line go up" GDP has been kept afloat by fake big tech, with the latest bubble being AI. The big cities today have real estate speculation, mass consumption, and fake spreadsheet jobs that make the "line go up". Meanwhile their food is produced in the country side and their manufactured goods come from abroad.

>>17917687
Americans are wealthier today than ever (inflation adjusted)

>>17917577
>2 more weeks until zombie richard nixon dynamites the 3 gorges dam but for real this time

>>17917681
Good luck trying to keep the economy’s line rising forever.
>they have no need for antisocial or criminal behavior
Violent retards and people with disorders exist, you know. You sound like a naive leftist girl or feminine man.

>>17917697
Why does the service economy make right wingers seethe so much? Just because you don't understand a job doesn't mean its fake.

Most people live in cities because we don't need people to work in agriculture anymore. We are able to produce so much food with only 1.5% of our population working in agriculture. High level manufacturing can make sense to produce in the USA, but plastic trinkets and clothing makes more sense to produce where labor is cheaper, and as a consequence clothes and goods are very cheap for Americans.

>>17917699
then it isn't worth it.

>>17917711
What isn't worth it?

You want us to be poor just because you don't like immigrants?

>>17917634
they're a net drag on everything, put human beings in a zoo enclosure with baboons and see how happy they are

Capitalism and globalism provides us all a higher standard of living than anyone has ever experienced and you people are so ungrateful, supporting socialism, nativism, economic protectionism, that will bring you less out of emotional reasoning.

>>17917569 (OP)
Tell me one thing people in china invented in last 100 years.

>>17917720
An electric vehicle cheaper than one Tesla can make.

>>17917714
yes. I'm perfectly comfortable consooming less if it means I don't have to share breathing space with nasty, hostile monkeys.

>>17917720
Inventing doesn't mean shit if you don't mass deploy the invention.

>>17917720
one of if not the most successful app in the united states

>>17917569 (OP)
More Chinese migrants!!!

>>17917659
the biggest spenders are alabama and mississippi and a couple of meme states

>>17917619
giving a serious answer to some retarded faggot like you would be a gigantic waste of time

>>17917675
I've seen the Indians coming to my country. India doesn't need these guys. No one does, in fact. My country doesn't need to be part of the solution to their vast overpopulation problem like this. They're only in the west to devalued labor which is orthodox economics in western countries, most academics are Marxists who have no interest in making markets actually work . They want to turn the US, UK, Canada into proles to impose top-down socialism and have the surveillance apparatus to run essentially the same system China does.

Some version of social credit and CBDC will be rolled out in the coming years. Its not a conspiracy theory anymore. Mass migration just greases the grooves.

>>17917675
Too bad these immigrants barely do shit and make everything worse

>>17917722
lmao. It is same but cheaper.
>>17917725
USA still does that better. Whole world waits for overpriced iphone release but how many people are watching huwaii release.
>>17917729
It is not invention but just reuse of already existing fast video apps. It is like saying facebook is invention. Again if you wants points of for that you can have it. (Also tigtog is heavly censured and controled in china)

By the way, I am not against China or anything, but the Chinese system does not really produce new ideas, as its entire structure works against that. In imperial China, people often memorized a few books, and exams were based purely on what was written in those books rather than on the creativity of individuals or their ability to generate new information. The history of China is largely a history of trying to keep everything together, which is why hierarchy and conformity have always been central, regardless of whether it was the Ming, Qing, Republican, or Maoist period. When there isnt central power or conformity you have warlords wars which is like chang chong ate 1000 people in castle and 300000000 people died in one year.

>>17917744
Provide a source for this claim that they "barely do shit" (perhaps you're saying they're not working, so provide a source proving low labor participation rate for immigrants) and explain how exactly they "make everything worse"

>>17917743
take your meds

>>17917744
Our agriculture, construction, manufacturing, hospitality industries rely on immigrant labor.

>>17917710
>Why does the service economy make right wingers seethe so much? Just because you don't understand a job doesn't mean its fake
Because it's a bubble you fucking retard. Automation reached its peak 40-50 years ago and everything since has been diminishing returns of diminishing returns.
>We are able to produce so much food with only 1.5% of our population working in agriculture
Yet you depend on a constant influx of cheap labor. The only good thing about this system is it cannot survive by definition.

>>17917719
How come Denmark does so well then despite being majority white and having strong borders?

>>17917751
No. No I don't think I will.

>>17917719
>Capitalism and globalism provides us all a higher standard of living than anyone has ever experienced and you people are so ungrateful, supporting socialism, nativism, economic protectionism, that will bring you less out of emotional reasoning.

>>17917774
I never said anything about race. 14% of Denmark is of a foreign background. The main reason they do well is their pharmaceutical industry.

Also, its tough to just compare one 5M population EU country to the USA. Denmark is apart of the European economy, and EU countries can be seen kind of like US states economically (not nearly as integrated and with language barriers, but still).
>>17917757
I support a free market. It has brought us prosperity and will continue to do so. I guarantee you companies are paying out high salaries for service economy jobs just for fun, these jobs are necessary to the operation of the company. If they weren't they would get laid off, people get laid off all the time its always an option companies have.

>>17917754
This is mostly due to entrenchment of business models that rely on immigrant labor than a genuine reliance.

A significant percentage of agricultural automation that was developed in California has already been deployed in other states, especially among younger farmers looking to reduce labor costs. However Californian farmers can't implement the same technologies because of regulatory barriers created to maintain the exploitation of Latinx workers and competitor entrenchment.

This is literally the same argument slave owners used. When machines could eliminate the suffering they doubled down on the entrenchment and demographic woes that slavery created. Seems to have been a bad idea then.