Thread 17918145

Without war, how long would Nazi Germany have lasted internally?
I mean, it could have been in the 60s or 70s?

>>17918145 (OP)
It would probably have lasted as long as apartheid south Africa did

>>17918145 (OP)
Depends if they manage to beat America in their cold war.

>>17918145 (OP)
Germany's economy was on the road to utter collapse in the years leading up to the war. Considering that the Nazis came to power on a platform of revanchism, it'll be very likely that a crashed economy and broken promises might end up pissing off the general populous and the military, leading to his removal by the latter and the institution of a conservative, aristocratic civilian government.

>>17918145 (OP)
>Without war
Without war means no lebensraum, so it probably collapses in a decade or so as they'd be economically strangled and surrounded by enemies
WITH lebensraum I don't see it ever collapsing, at least not for hundreds of years

>>17918191
Why would they need lebensraum? They didnt actually need it, they had planned for it as a 200 year long plan to ensure 2200 isnt Planet Asia forever.

>>17918376
Because they needed war to justify their war economy.

>>17918191
they have whole mid Europe in their grasp
like they need to just sit and produce shit and strong arm(cunningly) all lesser countries around them
just don't shoot first ffs

>>17918145 (OP)
Comparable Regimes

If you're wondering whether Nazi Germany could have lasted into the 60s or 70s, think of:

Fascist Spain under Franco (1939–1975)

Soviet Union (lasted 70+ years despite repression)

North Korea (still exists today)

But all of those adjusted to survive: Spain moved toward limited modernization; the USSR adapted until it couldn’t; North Korea remains through tight control and cult-like isolation.

Nazi Germany, by contrast, was built for conquest and ideological purification—not stability.

>>17918472
Without the war all those countries in the central Europe would want to work with France rather than with the Kraut

>>17918479
I disagree, most(outside Poland and for good reason) was ready to work with krauts, frogs was to far away anyway

>>17918482
What about Little Entente?

>>17918491
worthless
czechs folded and got annexed, romanians knelled and lost some territory and even serbs were ready to work with germs(only later some of officers couped their gov)

>>17918500
>worthless
Because they were bullied by Germany. In a reality where Germany didn't chimp out, they would still prefer to work with France, especially the Czechs. Unless maybe the Weimar Republic would went full democracy like France

>>17918513
they still would be bullied by krauts, its just that krauts don't chimp out in poland
honestly they don't need to, they should do plebiscite in danging and annex it, no war needed, another hiedler victory

>>17918472
>they have whole mid Europe in their grasp
Not in 1939 they didn't. They were entirely surrounded by hostile countries with the exception of Hungary and Italy

>>17918519
Germany after 1938 is Germany that already chimped out, the war was 100% sure by that point, even if Poland become a vassal state then they would just fight France and USSR next

>>17918469
>>17918191
Reddit.
>>17918145 (OP)
Hitler dies in the 60s, depending on who gets control thereafter it either goes the way of Khrushchev and has to go through multiple reforms to live into the 90s or it goes the way of liberalizing and freeing itself before the 80s ends. The chances of surviving into the 2000s is insanely low but if they can hold out they'll boom into giant growth by the 2010s as the last bastion for whiteness.

Hitler would likely die sometime in the 60s. Without him, the Third Reich would collapse.

Where are they going to find the money to pay all the money they've borrowed.
NOTE: They can't deal with outsides due to their belief in Autarky.

>>17918145 (OP)
They basically just did racist socialist capitalism, but if they would have won stealing everyone's shit and the post war baby boom and colonization and pillaging would have let them basically become the superpower in tandem with america, and the cold war would have revolved around the two but gone on for hundreds of years. They would have allied nations like South Africa, and other ethnic nations they deemed worthy. It's interesting to think of what America would have pitched itself as in response and how this would have played out differently than the battle of communism v. capitalism.

Without war doomed tho

>>17918145 (OP)
It was a cult of personality, as evidence by the pic you choose to represent it. The regime would last as long as Hitler is alive, and regardless of which timeline, would not long outlast him.

>>17918145 (OP)
Hitler built the Nazi state on the premise of going to war. If he changed plans he would have to start making major concessions and then probably have to start putting old guard aristocratic conservatives back in power again who would have gotten rid of his autocratic policies.

>>17918191
>Bro we totally need Mongolian amount clay to even survive
>West Germany alone becomes the second largest global economy in the 1960s.

Hitler was an uneducated failed artist. Time to see that fact. Most of the NSDAP were too. Himmler was a chicken farmer and Ribbentrop was a wine seller. Göring was literally nothing, just an aristocrat.

>>17918145 (OP)
>if Germany had continued rearmament

No more than a few years because it was completely economically unsustainable. They needed to put that army to use to kill their creditors before they started defaulting on their debts.

>if Germany had either suspended or greatly reduced rearmament to keep itself economically solvent

Probably into the 1950s, maybe even into the 1970s if they come up with a more effective succession process besides "convene this nonexistent senate and vote in a new Führer". Nazi Germany did have a unique "out" that would theoretically have allowed for the dismantling of the regime without violently overthrowing it. The Enabling Act, the law that was the entire regime's legal basis for existing, had to be periodically renewed every few years. Simply allow the act to expire and Nazi Germany would have automatically reverted back to the Weimar Republic, at least in theory.

>>17918145 (OP)
They would have eventually succumbed to Hollywood CIA propaganda about the American way of life and demanded jeans, mcdonalds and freedom, kek.

It's unbelievable how effective the American psyops were.

>>17919245
> West Germany alone becomes the second largest global economy in the 1960s.
1. thats not even true
2. GDP is a meme
3. west-germany of the 60s was a vasall of the US ofc you dont need ressources yourself when you got big daddy USA backing you (but in turn having you by your balls)

>>17918376
>They didnt actually need it, they had planned for it as a 200
Source?

>>17918145 (OP)
To last decades they would have had to completely change their platform from a militaristic/revanchist/racist party to a regular liberal or a social democratic party.