Thread 17918195

Why did the world gang up on this man?

What is so wrong with wanting German cities back that were illegally annexed by Poland after WW1? France and England are responsible for WW2. Germany did nothing wrong.

>>17918195 (OP)
He made his country other countries' problem, so other countries made themselves his problem.

>>17918195 (OP)
Except France and England had nothing to do with the Danzig crisis. The war was between whether Germans or Slavs would control Danzig, nothing more

>>17918199
France and England declared war, even thought it was a small local war between Poland and Germany. These retards turned it into a fucking world war.

>>17918195 (OP)
This guy claimed he had way bigger fish to fry than an old feud from 20 years ago. Yet when he got into power, all he did was chase after these old grudges.

>>17918199
The English were still stupid for prioritizing Slavic interests over the West. Although one can hardly fault the French as they have betrayed Germanic states so many times it's practically a compulsive habit

>>17918210
England for some reason thought declaring war would prevent war as it would cause Hitler to back off. The English weren't very smart.
The French always declare war on Germany so it was to be expected

>invade multiple other nations
>be surprised when everybody else decides to stop your random chimp out

>>17918195 (OP)
Because those cities belongs to POLAND

>>17918195 (OP)
England didn't want the war. America did want the war and lobbied England to enter.
Poland wanted to control Danzig. Germany wanted to control Poland. France wanted to control Germany. And Russia wanted to control Europe.

>>17918215
The irony is that France could have easily avoided this war, if they simply prevented the militarization of the rhineland. Adding this valuable piece of land turned a paper tiger into a real tiger. Germany's entire rear was secured.

The allies were retarded.

>>17918216
only slavs could call self defense a chimpout

>>17918227
That was before the Kristallnacht, when public opinion was still generally sympathetic towards the Germans who wanted to take their country back, you can't really wage a war aganist the majority of the population wishes

>>17918195 (OP)
I used to blame the Allies for the war too, but there were simply too many factors to put the blame on one or two nations. A war was inevitable regardless of what one nation did or another nation did.
Slavic and Germanic racial interests are inherently at odds
German and French national interests are nearly always at odds
British and Continental European interests are often at odds
American and European economic interests are at odds
Soviet and fascist ideological interests are at odds
Democratic and fascist ideological interests are at odds
I could go on . .

>>17918225
>And Russia wanted to control Europe.
Any source for that? That sounds pretty absurd. Russia before the war was a joke, while Europe was still seen as the center of the planet. Russia wanted a peaceful and cooperative Europe. Controlling it pure lunacy.

>>17918243
>Any source for that?
Joseph Goebbels

>>17918243
Russia has always wanted to destroy Europe. That's been the basis of their national ambitions for the past 1000 years
The only reason they were even vaguely cooperative in the 19th century is because they were buckbroken by Holstein-Gottorps

>>17918283
Russians literaly saved the Austrian Empire from Hungarians in 1848

>>17918283
>Russia has always wanted to destroy Europe.
Literally other way around. Also who you actually mean is England.

>>17918283
>Russia has always wanted to destroy Europe
Post a single example or piece of evidence.

>>17918195 (OP)
Considering it wasn't until Japan went stupid on the US that his plans were endangered, blame Japan.

>>17918299
England wants a divided and weak Europe. Russia wants a nonexistent Europe

>>17918307
Without Europe, who are they going to leech off? You dumb?

I don’t even care about who was right or wrong. I just miss when Europe was sovereign and had agency, geopolitics was so much more interesting back then.

>>17918379
Yes, it was so much fun watching random countries constantly slaughtering each other just because they spoke different languages

>>17918391
Kek, true. France and Germany even literally used to be one and the same empire and are almost the same in every way

>>17918391
>>17918402
Much more enjoyable than Slavics chimping out or America bombing Muslim shitholes.

>>17918195 (OP)
>1981 Interview with SS-Obergruppenführer and General of the Waffen-SS, Karl Wolff

>I understand you don't do any interviews, so I wish to thank you for speaking to me. I only wanted to ask you a few questions regarding the war, and your experiences.

>Wolff: You are correct, we live in a time now where I don't speak to anyone but comrades regarding the time of the war. My words get twisted, hostile historians come as wolves in sheep's clothing, so I have learned to be very careful with whom I speak with, lest I am charged with crimes.

>You lived through the whole war, what was your experience?

>Wolff: I was a desk General for the first part of the war. I was tasked with the smooth running of the general SS and worked for Reichsführer-SS Himmler as a personal liaison to the Führer. I met and worked with many of the important leaders of the Reich, working to insure we would see victory.

>Germany is accused of starting the war, by invading Poland who was not a threat to Germany. Can you comment?

>Wolff: You must always ask the question “why”, why did we attack Poland, why were people killed, why were there camps, and why did we come up against such resistance. We attacked Poland because Poland put us in a position that we had to protect our people who were left in Poland after Versailles, they were being persecuted and Poland refused to take action. They were a weak-minded state that was being pressured by England to fight us; all we wanted was a land bridge to East Prussia, and freedom for our people living in Poland. >The Führer said he regarded Poland as a friendly state until England got involved, telling Poland to not work out anything with Germany as we cannot be trusted.

>>17918195 (OP)
>>17918435
>Those in our government who had ties to Poland tried everything to get the leaders to listen to us, and give us concessions, as we were offering Poland concessions. These requests were met with contempt and bravado. Attacks on our frontier by bands of criminals were not investigated by Poland, and brushed off. Even to the point of claiming we were making this up. We could have allowed this to go on, and waited Poland out until they came to their senses, however the plight of Germans in Poland could not wait, as horror stories started coming from refugees seeking the protection of the Reich. There was hardly a crime in attacking Poland; any nation faced with the same scenario would have acted as we did.

>Of course, the Allies use this as the excuse for their war, but other forces were driving them, and Poland was the excuse they needed. I want to add we treated Poland very well after the surrender, we sent in the RAD and Red Cross to help them rebuild. Something not acknowledged today, we only wanted vindication, not conquest. The fact that millions of Poles volunteered to serve in the armed forces, including the SS, came to Germany to work for good pay, and worked with us in every way shows we were not out to destroy the Polish people. The uprisings were more a result of allied agents encouraging the Poles with false promises more than Polish resentment of us. I should also like to say that England declared war on us, solely under the reasoning that we invaded a country they were protecting, however when Russia invaded, they were silent and did nothing. It proves to me that the Führer was right in that England and France wanted a war with Germany, and only Germany, in spite of the numerous treaties they claimed to honor. If people would only have been able to listen and judge for themselves who was the aggressor, without all the propaganda the Allies were using against us, then there never would have been a war.

>>17918434
Yes, this is also true. WW1 will always have a spot in my heart. Thousands of men charging trenches at the same time, crawling over the corpses of their dead comrades, is much more kino than drones killing someone from a distance. Fuck the modern world.

>>17918435
>We only wanted to protect the poor germans getting bullied
>Also stealing a bit of land would be good too
kek

>>17918440
g*ermans are the only people who are dishonest enough to both play victims and boast about conquering others at the same time

>>17918437
>millions of Poles served in SS
damn... i didn't know that

>>17918195 (OP)
>England had nothing to do with the Danzig crisis
They encouraged the Poles not to negotiate by saying they would back them up, and then the Brits reneged on that commitment.

>>17918461
They didn't tho, they declared war on nazis and the next day they put on their blockade

>>17918461
>They encouraged the Poles not to negotiate
Actually they encouraged the Poles to negotiate, the Poles spat in England's face, and then the United Cuckdom declared war for Poland's sake anyway

>>17918518
then why did Poland demobilize? doesn't fit your theory

>>17918524
They did not demobilize, they were incompetent at mobilization. Incompetence is not a virtue

>>17918532
The Polish army announced mobilisation on 30 August, but chose to demobilise at the French government's request.
Both countries underestimated the Germans' lust for blood and destruction.

>>17918546
France is not responsible for Polish incompetence

Because everyone else was happy with the Treaty of Versailles.

>>17918298
>Austro-Serbs alliance of 1881
>irony ever since Crimean War, Austria and Russia slowly become enemy

Franz Ferdinand, a Serbian sympathizer - the only guy in the Austrian political system who would've attempted to stop the war (at least that's what the common narrative is), was killed by a Serbian terrorist.

>Maximilian (execution)
>Mathilde (accident)
>Rudolf (suicide)
>Sissi (assassination)
Tragedy of the imperial families right here.

>>17918212
Like You wouldn't

>>17918195 (OP)
>Germany did nothing wrong
Why did ke kill millions of White people, though?

>>17918300
Nobody seems to address the elephant in the room about Napoleon literally almost succeeding conquering all of Europe and then backing down when it faced Russia.

>>17918227
It's not the fact that they were "retarded".
It's the fact that Hitler struck at the perfect time when no one was ready. And Hitler knew this. His enitre game was that there would be no intervention.
France was too divided
Britain was too pacifist
USA was too isolationist
USSR was too backwards

He had a window of opportunity to give Germany everything, and miscalculated. The British rallied support for war, The USSR modernized and industrialized just in time to survive Barbarossa. The US simply wasnt going to stay isolationist.

>>17918435
>we had to protect our people who were left in Poland after Versailles, they were being persecuted and Poland refused to take action.
Except there are no evidencee that German minorities were being persecuted in Poland. None.
It was a fabrication made between Hitler, Ribbentrop and Göbbels as justification.

>They were a weak-minded state that was being pressured by England to fight us
Except Poland rejected all German proposals and demands on January 1939, so this is just Germany seething that they werent able to strong-arm Poland into submitting to demands when Britain gave her guarantees.

The guy is probably telling the truth from his perspective. He is just a soldier and only knew as much as he knew. We know what Hitler and Ribbentrop was actually doing because we have access to the documents and spent the past near-century analyzing the evidence.

>>17918437
>We could have allowed this to go on, and waited Poland out until they came to their senses, however the plight of Germans in Poland could not wait, as horror stories started coming from refugees seeking the protection of the Reich. There was hardly a crime in attacking Poland; any nation faced with the same scenario would have acted as we did.
This is the crux of the event.
The stories of genocide and castration on Germans living in Poland were fabricated to give Germany urgency for invasion, otherwise if it's solely about Danzig then the immediate question is why couldnt negotiations just continue? Perhaps under a different government at a different time. Why the urgency? Why must Danzig be a part of Germany specifically on September 1 1939? Why attack in 1939 when the west was furious over Czechia and Poland was on high alert over Germanys real intentions.

>>17919767
>Franz Ferdinand, a Serbian sympathizer
Franz hated Slavs, he just hated Hungarians more, and was willing to work with the former to bring down the latter.

>>17918210
not really but this line of reasoning actually applies to ww1 which russ*a turned into a world war without even having a treaty with serbia

>>17918195 (OP)
>hey if you declare war on Poland we will declare war on you
>*declares war on Poland
>*UK and France do the exact thing they said they would*
OH MEIN GOTT I DINDU NUFFIN THIS IS JUST LIKE WHEN SCHLOMO DENIED MY ART SCHOOL APPLICATION

Regular reminder that in Mein Kampf Hitler flat out says that the Germans in south Tyrol facing ethnic cleansing are not worth saving.

>>17918195 (OP)
>>17918435
>>17918437
So what's the excuse for invading countries like Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands?

>>17918195 (OP)
Ah yes... the famous German city of Warsaw.