Thread 17918972

I dunno, you should check the primary sources that talk about mansa mussa kingdom.
Is probable he tried to recreate arab tax policies since the mali empire is just mansa mussa trying to "islamize" bunch of tribes.

Fuck bitches and get money because that what real niggas do

>>17918972 (OP)
>AYOO GIBS ME DAT

>>17918972 (OP)
Jiyza: not paid.

I drew him but now is a dogo

>Gold and Salt Trade Taxation
Mali’s wealth came largely from controlling the trans-Saharan trade routes. The king imposed taxes on all goods, especially gold and salt, entering or leaving the empire. Traders had to pay a fee per load, both when entering and exiting markets, ensuring the state earned revenue twice on the same goods.

>Resource Control
Gold mines were state property. Gold dust could be traded, but large gold nuggets were reserved exclusively for the king. This policy helped maintain the value of gold and reinforced the emperor’s economic dominance.

>Agricultural and Local Taxes
The administration collected tribute from local rulers and agricultural producers. These could be in the form of grain, livestock, or labor, which supported both the royal court and public works.

>Religious and Market Levies
Islamic law influenced some fiscal policies. Mansa Musa supported the collection of zakat (a charitable tax) from Muslims, and non-Muslim communities paid a form of tribute or poll tax. Markets and trade caravans were regulated and taxed at checkpoints.

>>17919513
This is great

>>17918972 (OP)
> wealthiest man of the 14th century was west-african
> said guy traveld all the way to Saudia Arabia, gets to see all the advanced arab-stuff
> returns from his journy, orders consturction of picrel mudhut
> dies
what causes this?
socio-economic factors?

>>17919513
nice, but you should've made him a BVLL

>dump astronomical amounts of gold into the Egyptian economy
>Cause inflation on a biblical scale

>>17919597
The adorable little trivia about his wealth his utterly irrelevant. Having an enormous amount of gold won't magically make your civilization advanced.

>>17919624
> Having an enormous amount of gold won't magically make your civilization advanced.
this.
all the wealth and ressources in the world can't help you when you have a Sub 90 IQ monkeybrain

>>17919597
>>17919624
>>17919626
>post a mosque he didn’t even build
>see see its not made from the specific material IQ IQ

Do you guys actually have anything outside of your dialogue tree

>>17919954
> >post a mosque he didn’t even build
ah sorry
and here I was thinking Mansa designed and built the whole mosque himself

>>17919954
I didn't post any mosque or mention IQ. What I said holds true - your civilization doesn't magically become advanced and developed because you have a lot of gold

>>17920026
>>17920005
>guys guys see look ah low iq
We get blacks are dumb yeah yeah feel better pedro

You guys are doing the same worn out pol points
>they was dumb because building no big made of stone
Its boring desu think up something new create no dialogue tree branches

>>17920120
Again, no mention of IQ. I'll reiterate: The only historical significance of Musa and his empire are the trivia about his wealth. No *development* to speak of.

I find it curious how whenever Mali Empire is being talked about in /his/ everybody brings out timbuktu mosque to say "oh ye nigas dumb aim smurt" when those mosques were designed by the arab arquitects mansa brought to his kingdom.
Sometimes people should research more what they say

The medieval equilvent of an NFL player who makes millions and then goes bankrupt after blowing it all on cars, parties and poorly thought out bussiness ideas

>>17920120
to an ignorant negroid its just
> building no big made of stone big whoops

but at that time religious sites are one of the best benchmarks for the capabilities of a civilization.
If the best thing they have to offer, something that serves to honor their gods and kings, is a dozen-meter-high pile of mud and straw then things look pretty bleak.

> they were isolated and poor
doesn't work here either

>>17920199
> when those mosques were designed by the arab arquitects
as an architect you gotta work with the people you have
low depth of management and wide span of control don't exactly allow for sophisticated buildings

Sell slaves, get money

Mansa Musa was a GERMANIC king. His real name was Manfred Mauser.

>>17918972 (OP)
Extremely high taxes to fund the construction of ugly ass sandcastles

>>17919577
>Mali’s wealth came largely from controlling the trans-Saharan trade routes.

Mali's wealth came almost entirely from local gold extraction.
There was actually very little they could do or buy with all that gold due to their extreme isolation from the civilized world.

Trans-Saharan "trade routes" merely consisted in occasional caravans crossing the desert at great risk every now and then.
It wasn't a continued flow or anything
Very few foreigners visited the Mali Empire (Ibn Battuta is the only known one) and very few Malians ever travelled outside of Mali (hence why Mansa Musa's hajj was such a big fuss, it was one of the few times Malians were ever seen outside).

This is extreme isolation is the reason why Mali could never really develop and reach the civilizational level of the rest of the known world despite its massive theorical wealth.
It's also probably what protected them from getting ravaged and pillaged by more advanced civilizations (aka any civilization on the other side of the Sahara desert), though it eventually happened whn the Moroccans finally decided to send an army across the desert to conquer Mali.

>>17920120
>they was dumb because building no big made of stone

Malian architecture is just unimpressive, even by the standards of adobe architecture.
Yemen did much more impressive stuff in the same era despite not owning infinite gold.

>>17920199
Bringing back one lone arab architect isn't suddenly gonna teach the local workforce how to dig carries and master stonemasonery.

>>17920830
There is also a building in mesoamerica called "AguaFenix", it has a bigger volume than the pyramid of Keops and is constructed with adobe, it was build around 1000 ac.
Even though, i wouldnt say this is bc "blak pipo dum" but because the arab arquitects mansa brought were bad

>>17919513
That's cute

>17920838
Why? There are many cases in which a more advanced country conquers an uncivilized nation, and with the local native workforce they build great buildings.
An example of this is how the USA used the black slaves to build the buildings, even though this local force barely had any education

>>17920847
Yeah and this happened to Mali too when it finally got conquered by a civilized nation in the 1890s.
But in Mansa Musa's era it didn't get conquered by anything.
Bringing back a lone arab scholar isn't the same thing as a colonial power taking over the place and sending hordes of skilled workers to teach and assist the locals in building modern infrastructure.

>>17920854
Obviously mansa didnt brought 1 single arquitect, but much much more.
Is probable most of the money mansa invested in constructing the buildings was spent in the qualified arquitects

>>17920856
Mansa Musa brought back only one known architect from his hajj and only a handful of other outsiders.
You're, like many people, simply ignoring the logistical nightmare that crossing the Saharan desert was in that era.
Very few people were ever doing a full crossing.
The "trade routes" mainly consisted in rare and occasional caravans forming a "chain", with each going from a specific point to another point, trading the merchandise and turning back. Goods crossed the whole desert, but people did not.

Mansa Musa's hajj was an exceptional event, a once in a lifetime thing (he never did it again btw).
Also, by the time Mansa Musa showed up in Egypt, no one had ever heard of Mali before almost all the infos in arab sources about Mali came solely from Al-Umari's retelling of the testimonies of Egyptians who had met some Malian pilgrims during Mansa Musa's hajj)..
Very few at the time would have been willing to go with him and attempt the dangerous crossing of the Sahara to reach some utterly unknown distant Wakanda they knew literally nothing about.

>>17919513
The rare /his/ drawanon is always a pleasant sight to see.

>>17918972 (OP)
Gold and slaves. Mansa Musa of Mali was probably the biggest slave owner in human history.

In the same era as the Wakanda of mali existed, medieval Europe invented

>the printing press
>clocks
>eyeglasses
>fire arms

And Mali?
Surely with all that wealth they invented tons of revolutionary stuff, didn't they?

>>17919597
>>17920812
>same climate
>same building material
>thousands of years apart

>>17922103
Europe was also poor at the time

>>17918972 (OP)
Rare based /his/ thread.

>>17920826
Why is this guy called the richest man in history if his gold was largely useless and he couldn't buy anything with it?

>>17920878
>The "trade routes" mainly consisted in rare and occasional caravans forming a "chain", with each going from a specific point to another point, trading the merchandise and turning back. Goods crossed the whole desert, but people did not.
Why not build ships and sail around the desert?

>>17922607
Because to most people "wealth" is Scrooge McDuck diving into a vault full of gold coins. Musa was essentially that irl

>>17922625
The coast of Western Africa south from Morocco hadn't been explored yet by old worlders.
The Mali Empire is rumored to have reached the coast of West Africa around present-day Senegal (though that is entirely speculation, the actual borders of this empire remain completely unknown due to the total absence of any records about it) but clearly they weren't advanced enough for sea travel.
Some afrocentrist revisionists tried to create a bullshit myth about how the Mali Empire discovered the Americas and shit, but the truth is they never even discovered the Cape Verde archipelago a few miles off their coast...

>>17919597
>>17920812
Reminder that during this time period the Ethiopian Christians were carving entire churches out of solid rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-Hewn_Churches,_Lalibela

>>17922625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Bojador
>The original name of the cape in Arabic is Abu Khaṭar (ابو خطر), meaning "father of danger"

>any coastal map of Western Sahara is inaccurate because of the ever-changing physical features, due to the harsh conditions of the Sahara. It also mentions that the depth of the water surrounding Cape Bojador is deceptively shallow, and the color of the sand underneath the water is a "fearful sight". The cape had a fearsome reputation among mariners

>It is here that the winds start to blow strongly from the northeast at all seasons. Together with the half-knot set of current down the coast, these conditions would naturally alarm a medieval mariner used to sailing close to the land

>Sailors' fears were founded in what they saw, and the phenomena witnessed by the sailors of those days can be seen today. Any ship that has to pass those places makes sure to give a wide berth in order to avoid accidents. The reason for all this display is because Cape Bojador and its surrounding coast extends into the sea in the form of an underwater reef, and, when the waves break after crashing into unseen gullies, the water spouts furiously into high foamy clouds that look like steam, even on calm days. The sea in front to the Cape, and for approximately three miles from the coast and into the sea, is no more than six feet deep. Fish are abundant in the place, and shoals of sardines rise to the surface during the feeding times of larger fish. When this happens, the sea seems to bubble violently as if boiling, and, observed from a distance, the hissing sound produced by the fish flicking their tails on the water's surface adds to the impression that the water is boiling. The tremendous heat wafted westerly on lazy breezes from the desert heightens the impression of extreme temperature, to which the desert dust helps to create a mysterious darkness. Even the ferrous rocks make compass needles whirl erratically.

>>17920902
That one /his/ anon who made highly detailed MSpaint traced memes of classical and renaissance artworks was awesome. Wish I had an example on hand. Maybe someone else does.

>>17922759
desu it always ends up being ass-backwards with niggers. like, how are you even supposed to enter there. why is the size of a dollhouse

>>17920120
Don't you get tired of getting btfo

>>17922607
>>17922643
>if his gold was largely useless and he couldn't buy anything with it?
But he did buy things with it. Gold wasn't the only form of wealth he had. It's just that back then a huge influx of gold into a market can impact it because they didn't have the sheer transaction speed and ways to absorb it with out causing an inflation crisis. Spain had a huge influx of silver but that led to a different dynamic in wastage and overspending

>>17920159
> The only historical significance of Musa and his empire are the trivia about his wealth. No *development* to speak of.
You left out the infrastructure, the trade, the spreads of the state, increasing outside contact, cultural and academic contact with North Africa and ME.

>>17920216
>but at that time religious sites are one of the best benchmarks for the capabilities of a civilization.
Not at all. Many actually tend to not match up with government or other landmark infrastructure.
>If the best thing they have to offer, something that serves to honor their gods and kings, is a dozen-meter-high pile of mud and straw then things look pretty bleak.
Many churches in Europe aren't as grandiose as you think.

>>17920826
>Mali's wealth came almost entirely from local gold extraction.
And salt among other produced goods and finished items. People only focus on the gold because they don't understand how precious salt was back then.

>It's also probably what protected them from getting ravaged and pillaged by more advanced civilizations (aka any civilization on the other side of the Sahara desert)
Several Sahelian states had made repelled incursions in the past.

>though it eventually happened when the Moroccans finally decided to send an army across the desert to conquer Mali.
You simplified that. Mainly Mali was weakened buy Songhai, then the Moroccan defeated Songhai before going to Mali after some time to do a power play and Morrocco made use of imported firearms to do so which was key.

>>17918972 (OP)
Mansa Musa didn't exist. He is an invention of guilt-ridden liberals and afro-supremacists.

>>17923954
He's been confirmed by multiple sources

>>17920205
topkek

>>17923875
Through a tight ritual passage descending, open only to a sliver of sky, and which briefly plunges the pilgrim into darkness. That transmits the pilgrim from the profane world, though a narrowly defined liminal stage or stages, to emerge suddenly into divine space on the other side

A narrow passage is cut from the surface level down, creating a narrow, deepening artificial canyon that ultimately closes overhead into a small tunnel and spits you out in the sacred pit. It's kino design. The basic premise mirrors ritual processionals from the Neolithic (corbelled vault), to the antique (tholos, hypostyle, covered causeway).

>>17923945
>the infrastructure,

You're trolling?
Infastructure is the most visible aspect of the Mali Empire's utter backwardness

>>17924556
>they backwardness

He built centers of learning and expanded the empire and wasn’t seen as backwards by contemporaries

>>17924572
>He built centers of learning
Ah yes, the famed "university of Timbuktu"
Nothing was invented or discovered there. This place consisted entirely in buying and stacking arab books and studying the quran.

>wasn’t seen as backwards by contemporaries
Wasn't seen at all.
Until the Mansa Musa's hajj, Mali was virtually unknown even in the arab world.
And after the hajj, it became some kind of myth. The knowledge about Mali in the medieval arab world consisted entirely in the oral testimonies of some Egyptians dudes who had talked with Musa's crew during the hajj, collected a decade later by Al-Umari.