Thread 17919878

Why did God stop doing miracles once everyone started carrying around cameras in their pocket?

he didn't, algorithms and lack of context just muddy everything.

>>17919878 (OP)
>why
because the blind cannot see

>>17919903
Here I'll make this easy for you. What was the last miracle that happened on camera?

>>17919878 (OP)
Yet another example of a presumptuous atheist who thinks he knows it all.
Tell me, if God is able to perform miracles, what prevents him to make it so that such miracles cannot be recorded on camera?
Ever thought about that?

>>17919918
What reason would he possibly have to do that? Who are you calling presumptuous, lol

>>17919878 (OP)
He didn't. Miracles keep happening.
Some of them were supposedly even caught on camera, like various apparitions. Sadly, the same atheists who spent decades on message boards demanding these pictures kinda just looked at them and shrugged their shoulders. One has to wonder why someone would demand pictures if pictures cannot really lead them to any conclusion regardless...

>>17919961
Who are you to question God's plan?
For the same reason he doesn't just appear to everyone and announces himself plainly, probably. See >>17919903

>>17919972
>For the same reason he doesn't just appear to everyone and announces himself plainly, probably.
He should do that, if he wants people to believe in him.

>>17919878 (OP)
Literally every modern religion still alleges miracles, except for a handful of protestant sects.

>>17919972
>Who are you to question God's plan?
Who are you to claim there is a personal god and "he" has a plan? This thing you worship and call god is a parasitic entity that eats worship and fear as his food.

The real creator is impersonal and amoral btw

>>17919986
>creates everything
>doesn't have a plan
So, your god is retarded? Just playing dice and having fun?

>>17920010
He already encompasses all things and possibilities, a "plan" makes him sound smaller than he is. You are too stupid to even begin to comprehend God. That's why you follow a religion created by bronze age jewish cave men

>>17919986
>The real creator is impersonal and amoral btw
Theists often get accused of having convenient beliefs. The belief you just expressed is arguably 20x more convenient, which is why a good chunk of stoner "spiritual" girlies with henna on their arms share it. It's a universe to which you can form a relationship (like God), but you are the person and the universe is just ... something. It's a universe which obviously provides for you (like God) but doesn't actually demand or expect things from you back. It's a universe which contains a sense of morality (like God) across various species and societies, but which will never judge you and make you feel bad. It's theism where you and your friends get to claim all personhood.

>>17920020
>Theists often get accused of having convenient beliefs. The belief you just expressed is arguably 20x more convenient
It's the only way to explain why there is evil in the world without appealing to free will (as if that excuses it) or the mysterious ways excuse. God having no moral alignment explains it much more elegantly.

>>17920024
I'd say ethical monism explains it even more elegantly while maintaining God's morals but either way, religion is not a Cartesian system. It's not a theoretical framework where you have all the explanations and answers and sort of proceed fully informed from there. Admitting you don't have a solid explanation is way more divine than leaping to whatever explanation calms you down the most.

>>17920029
It's really this simple:
Is God omnipotent? If yes, then the presence of evil in the world must either mean he is indifferent to it or causes it on purpose. The baggage of there being an infinitely powerful being is that everything in the universe is exactly how he wants it to be. If it wasn't, the being would change it.

>>17920034
No, it doesn't "have to" mean that at all.
>If it wasn't, the being would change it
What do you base this conclusion on? What I'm seeing is "This is how I, a human being inherently tied to temporal categories, would think and act".

>>17920035
My route of thinking needs to assume much less than yours does.

>>17920038
Again you're treating this like you're building a cartesian system. And if what you're after is to build a cartesian system that's vaguely inspired by monotheism is what you're after, Godspeed to you. But that's just not a legitimate theological approach to Christian doctries.

>>17919878 (OP)
OP...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kZu87tyqJ4

>>17919878 (OP)
Is God some kind of joke to you?
https://youtu.be/1X2hpiBWpQ8?&t=42

>>17919907
Some guy once had an intuition that doing something weird was a good idea, and it turned out to be a good idea. Therefore, you must chop off your cock and believe in 600-year-old men building floating zoos.

Miracles still happen, but they are more on a personal level now.

>>17919907
my life is a miracle go kys you retard kek

>>17919918
Believing an insane story without any evidence is a sign of a weak mind.

>>17919969
Feel free to post them. But only the ones that haven’t been thoroughly debunked already. I’ll wait.

>>17920069
>Is God some kind of joke to you?
Honestly, yes.
It’s like a Shibboleth, just for intelligence.

>>17920441
The point of my post is those videos and images don't allow atheists to draw any conclusions. I'm not sure why I'd consider you a special case and perform a deep dive into online archives for you.

>>17920221
>my life is a miracle
This approach to life is more closely tied to Eastern Religion and philosophy than it is with regards to the Abrahamic faiths. Abrahamism feels like it actually trivializes your existence as just being pawns in some all-knowing Gods plan

>>17920448
And yet, Asians kill their own people by the millions and torture each other for fun whereas post-Christian cultures are a large reason why human rights are a concept at all.
There is nothing trivializing human life in Abrahamic faiths. You might personally find the idea of being a servant "trivial", but that is just ego talking. We all go through that at some point.

>>17919878 (OP)
Because they're the devil's instruments

>>17920444
No need. There are no miracles and there is no religious magic. It’s all bullshit to keep the masses in line.

>>17920467
I'll save this for when I'm looking for incredibly convenient beliefs, thanks. All cultures, religions and most pre-cartesian philosophies are dead wrong and don't really have to be taken seriously. Alright.

Anyone defending miracles in this thread is a fucking doofus manbaby and you absolutely need to have your balls crushed into jelly.

>>17920438
Except that is not even what the thread is about. OP in his post asked why did miracles stop happening, thus implying himself that they once did happen.
Learn to read, kid.

>>17920499
Why is that? Tell me, what about miracles is triggering this violent emotional reaction in you? Are you feeling confused why so many people in so many cultures, throughout so many centuries generally agree on the types of experiences they've been having while your entire worldview hinges on all of that being false?

>>17920512
All that yapping and not a single verifiable example of a miracle.

>>17920517
That entirely depends, how are you going to verify it? Tell me the scientific method and I will provide the evidence.

>>17920499
Looks like you found one

>>17920041
>God isn't subject to logic because he just isn't okay!! Just trust us and what we say about God!!!

Fuck you.

>>17919907
Cameras aren't real

>>17920512
And let me guess, men can magically become women if they "experience" that they are one?

*stomps on ur ballz*

>>17919918
so where are the reports of mass camera failures then

>I'm so smart that I spend my days arguing with people pretending to be religious on 4chan
The funniest part about my fellow autistheists is that the majority of them are incapable of realizing that powerful unchecked governments are the only threat that religions have - religion itself is not very dangerous without the force of a state backing it. But nearly every atheist loves a powerful government. Really a shame.

Phones distance us from God by the minute.

>>17920491
>All cultures, religions
Culture is important and distinct from religion.
The moment humanity grows out of its infancy is the moment we shed religious superstition.

>>17920511
If you cannot follow a conversation from its original starting point, you might be clinically braindead.

>>17920047
The comments

>>17919878 (OP)
He stopped a looooong time before that.
People don't realise how long Christianity has kept going by mere inertia

>>17919878 (OP)

Look to Carlo Acutis. He never stopped doing them, He wants everyone to see.

>>17919878 (OP)
They still happen, they are just more subtle now.
He wanted to see who would pay attention.

>>17919878 (OP)
He died, son

>>17921534
This is the 24th time you bring up the kid who died of leukemia at 15.
I am older than 15 and still alive and well, is that a miracle too?