Thread 17919881

How did the US go from a near unanimous consensus on slavery, to fighting its most deadly conflict over it?

>>17919881 (OP)
The north only freed the slaves in order to have military victory over the south. Then as today, blacks are a biological weapon of war that is unleashed to destroy whatever they contact.

New England built the Erie canal which devastated trade along the Mississippi so the south decided they wanted a transcontinental railroad or canal to retain regional relevancy and the north invaded them for it

>>17919881 (OP)
a good portion of the north was never super into slavery in the way the south was, they just decided actually having a united states was far more important to them than taking a hard line on slavery
by the beginning of george washington's presidency six states had already banned slavery
by the end of his presidency that number had gone to eight, by the end of jefferson's that number was up to ten
there were multiple founding fathers who knew the institution was abhorrent but as previously mentioned, actually having a united states was more important to them than some virtue signal towards an abolition of slavery that was politically impossible at the time

>>17919914
retard

> Unaninous consensus
> 3/7 founding fathers were abolitionist

>>17919931
>Until the construction of the Erie Canal, New Orleans had nearly exclusive access to trade with the rich interior of North America because of its location on the Mississippi River. Beginning in the seventeenth century during French, Dutch, and then British competition for the fur trade in North America, people realized that New York City, with its deep and protected harbor and access to the interior via the Hudson River, was strategically situated for trade with Europe. As early as 1724, Cadwallader Colden, surveyor general and later colonial governor of the Province of New York, prepared a report for the governor describing the natural “water courses and carrying places” (portages) between Albany and Montreal, Canada, and between Albany and Cataraqui Lake, now known as Lake Ontario.
>It took another one hundred years before the New York Corresponding Association for the Promotion of Internal Improvements was organized to advance support for building a canal across New York State—a project they envisioned as the starting point for a cross-country navigation system of waterways bridging Lake Erie with the Atlantic Ocean, the Mississippi River, and the western states of Michigan and Illinois.
>Pirates were reported to maraud the canal waters, commandeering packet and line boats, and America’s first daredevil, Sam Patch, began his career by jumping from great heights into waters along the Erie Canal, including Niagara Falls and the Genesee River.

>>17919881 (OP)
slavery was kicked down the road at the founding, it was generally understood by most that it would become a serious political problem within a few decades (and it did) but the immediate pressures of the revolution and navigating what came after meant unity was paramount at the time. the strategy to legally bind the union together was to agree on what could be agreed on and either not mention hot button issues or be vague and noncommittal about them.

abolitionism was already fomenting in political and religious circles throughout the country, especially the northeast, before the revolution even happened

>>17919956
>The Erie Canal was the first major canal constructed along an existing trade route. An upstate New York merchant, Jesse Hawley, described it as the “longest Canal – in the least time – with the least experience – for the least money – and of the greatest public utility of any other in the world.” Within a few years of its completion, it was already carrying goods worth double the value of all freight shipped down the Mississippi River to New Orleans. Tolls collected along the canal repaid the construction costs in the first nine years of operation.

>By linking the Atlantic Ocean to the Great Lakes and West, the Erie Canal transformed the state of New York and cemented New York City’s status as the nation’s most preeminent commercial metropolis. With greatly reduced transportation costs, farmers along the canal could now ship their products to more distant markets. For the first time, inland consumers could purchase fresh oysters and products that had once been prohibitively expensive because of the shipping costs. The canal also revolutionized communities in upstate New York and brought them into contact with a developing national market for goods and ideas. News and newspapers traveled much more quickly than ever before. Religious figures also traveled along the canal and helped initiate a Second Great Awakening. Upstate New York hosted so many fervent religious revivals and traveling preachers delivering fiery sermons that the region became known later as the “burned-over district.”

the erie canal caused the civil war

Because by the 1850s, the US didn't rely on slavery as heavily as it did in its early days.

>>17919912
Fpbp

>>17920192
The South relied heavily on slavery, and refused to give it up peacefully. Not only that, they wanted to expand slavery into the West after the 1848 cession of Mexico

>>17919881 (OP)
There was a global depression in 1819. Industrialists petitioned the federal government to create tariffs so that it would be too costly for the southern states to trade with anyone other than the northern states.
The reason for this is that these industrialists needed raw materials to create furniture, perfumes etc and the south was largely agrarian. Their only other major trading partner was Britain. The northern states had highly sought-after timber and fish, but everything else required imports of cotton, iron etc.
These tariffs were bad for a few reasons. The first was that it ruined many sectors of the southern economy. The second was that the federal government said these tariffs would only last a few years, but they lasted until the mid 1800's, ranging from 18% to 50%.
Lincoln coming into politics was a big deal because he was making overtures to ending slavery forever, which is what fueled what remained of the southern economy. Industrialization never really took off in the south because the ambient humidity, which often reached 100%, coupled with the heat often killed people. Working inside of an enclosed building in the deep south during the height of summer was a death sentence, which is where slaves came into the picture.
Lincoln himself said he didn't want to end slavery if it meant keeping the union together, but then he literally threatened to destroy the southern states during his inauguration speech, which only heightened tensions even more.

>>17919944
/his/torians get their knowledge from Twitter screenshots they saw on Facebook instead of reading books. What did you expect?

>>17919956
>>17919976
This seems retarded.
>>17920359
This seems sensible.

>>17919881 (OP)
They were never in near unanimous consensus

>>17920386
well >>17920359
is wrong

>>17920388
Why is it wrong?

>>17919881 (OP)
What consensus? It was contentious from the very start. It threatened to derail the Constitutional Convention. New England states made banning slavery one of the first things they did after independence. Nat Turner's 1831 uprising forced it again to the forefront, and it even drove a brief reckoning on the future of slavery in Virginia. In the decades prior to Secession, slavery was one of the most salient national issues, most likely THE top issue overall.

Maybe you just don't know anything.

>>17920394
tariffs industrialize economies, the draw wealth out of agricultural communities and force them to find other employment. The south had been under tariffs its entire existence in the unions, it had developed industrially. Places like reddit for example will cope with this by saying their railroads "didn't count" as being industry because... well just because

>>17919881 (OP)
There was never any consensus. You can read the founding fathers debates about slavery.

>>17920400
>The south had been under tariffs its entire existence in the unions
Yeah but I don't think the south had northern statesman threatening to behead people that were refusing to pay a 50% tax.

>>17920404
huh?

>>17920359
>Working inside of an enclosed building in the deep south during the height of summer was a death sentence, which is where slaves came into the picture.
Connect these dots for me. It sounds like white people couldn't work indoors in the South, or apparently outdoors in the South. So like, what were they good for, anyway?

>>17919881 (OP)
The Founding Fathers wouldn't have been surprised by this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_court_cases_in_the_United_States_involving_slavery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Vermont
The Abolitionist Movement predates the founding of the Country
The Founding Fathers inherited Slaves yes, but they were very much aware of the Abolitionist Movement
>>17920361
This

>>17919912
the great migration was the csa's dead man's switch

>>17920405
Nullification crisis. Jackson was pissed.

>>17920409
>So like, what were they good for, anyway?
Not a lot.
America tried using white slaves to work the farms and they kept rebelling, getting sick or dying from the heat.

>>17920361
/his/tards are only interested in history insofar as it can be used to troll, why would they sink time into reading books instead of snappy memes?

>>17920433
unironically true. the cancer unleashed is not fast acting in low dosages, but it is lethal eventually no mater where it is allowed to develop.

>>17920446
Blacks were invited north through tales of high wages which were lies by socialists hoping to bring some radicals in

These people to this day use blacks like shock troopers ever time they need a distraction

>>17919881 (OP)
Except it wasn't unanimous, retard, it was hotly debated, and there were arguments about providing provisions in the constitution to free them, but they decided against it, and to do it more gradually. Go look at history you retard. Pennsylvania abolished slavery in 1780.

>>17920520
>Go look at history you retard. Pennsylvania abolished slavery in 1780.
The first state to abolish slavery was Vermont in 1777, before it even joined the union and just a year after the Revolutionary War started

>>17920524
Yea, I was giving an example, not saying it was the first.

>>17919881 (OP)
>How did the US go from a near unanimous consensus on slavery, to fighting its most deadly conflict over it?
Anon, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>17920359
Part 1

> was a global depression in 1819.
Mostly true — the Panic of 1819 was the first major U.S. financial crisis and part of a wider Atlantic downturn after the Napoleonic Wars.
> Industrialists petitioned the federal government to create tariffs so that it would be too costly for the southern states to trade with anyone other than the northern states.
False — tariffs applied to imports from abroad, not interstate trade. The Constitution prohibited tariffs between U.S. states. Northeastern manufacturers wanted protection from cheaper British goods, not to tax the South directly for trading with the North.
> The northern states had highly sought-after timber and fish, but everything else required imports of cotton, iron etc.
Inaccurate — the North imported raw cotton from the South (no tariff), but iron was produced domestically in places like Pennsylvania. Britain was a major trade partner, but the U.S. was self-sufficient in some key raw materials.
> These tariffs … lasted until the mid 180's, ranging from 18% to 50%.
Misleading — duties peaked near 50% with the Tariff of 1828, but fell sharply after the Compromise Tariff of 1833 and Walker Tariff of 1846, reaching around 20% by 1857.
> Lincoln coming into politics was a big deal because he was making overtures to ending slavery forever…
Oversimplified — Lincoln opposed the expansion of slavery and saw it on a path to eventual extinction, but in the 1850s he wasn’t pushing for immediate nationwide abolition

>>17920446
dixie invented biological warfare lel

>>17920359
Part 2

> Industrialization never really took off in the south because the ambient humidity … was a death sentence, which is where slaves came into the picture.
False — the South did have industry (e.g., Tredegar Iron Works) and some mills used enslaved labor, but most textile workers were free whites. Climate wasn’t the main barrier — the plantation economy, lack of infrastructure, and capital patterns were.
> Lincoln himself said he didn't want to end slavery if it meant keeping the union together…
True — in 1862 Lincoln wrote that his “paramount object” was to save the Union, not necessarily to save or destroy slavery. But at the same time, he was already preparing the Emancipation Proclamation.
> … he literally threatened to destroy the southern states during his inauguration speech…
False — in his First Inaugural Address (March 4, 1861), Lincoln promised not to interfere with slavery where it existed and not to invade, except to hold federal property and collect duties. No threat to “destroy” the South was made.

>>17920520
>Pennsylvania abolished slavery in 1780.
Because they didn't want there to be any excuse which could allow a non white to live in Pennsylvania for reason. Slavery was, by some, seen as a vector which allowed a dangerous and destructive contamination (non whites) into the nation.

>>17920553
>Slavery was, by some, seen as a vector which allowed a dangerous and destructive contamination (non whites) into the nation.

"and established that all children born in Pennsylvania were free persons regardless of the condition or race of their parents."

>>17920560
the loophole was closed once it became apparent that undesirables (non whites) were attempting to destroy civilization

>>17920581
You cant be taken serious in /his/ posting AI as your source, is the same as posting twitter screenshots.
Please, go away

>>17920641
I know for a fact most of the states after Texas banned slavery because they hated blacks. Oregon even banned free blacks from entering it

>>17919924
NYC had more slaves than South at one point

>most of the states after Texas banned slavery
Retarded third worlder forgot to ask his AI why Texas revolted in the first place

>>17921156
A brief point maybe, the New York Act for the Gradual Abolition of Slavery was passed in 1799 and slavery was gradually phased out throughout the early 19th century

>>17920537
>>17920540
thanks chatGPT. im glad to know that tariffs only applied to imports and not to interstate trade which is why the previous anon said that the north used it to make sure the south only traded with the north since it'd be cheaper rather than the now artificially more expensive yuros.
i dont even know if the other anon is right, but spewing out AI shit that is obviously wrong leads me to believe him more than you(r AI shitpost).

>>17919912
/thread

>>17921198
Crazy how the US knew they would fight a Civil War as far back as 1777 and against states that weren't even part of the Union yet. If they had that kind of forethought then there was no way the South was ever going to win, the North playing 5D chess nearly a century prior