Thread 17920834

Do genetics prove that WHGs looked like top or bottom?

They had pale skin genes that are rare in modern people so it originally wasn't obvious they weren't super dark. But do you know one population that still has that pale skin allele at a significant frequency? The Irish.
The fact is nobody was interested in doing a real, systematic survey at that point to determine the full array of genes that cause pale skin. They knew some so they ran to publish a paper about Cheddar man before more information could contradict their political agenda.

>>17920834 (OP)
Both

>>17920834 (OP)
oh yeah the tribesmen from 10000 years ago had a slightly lighter skin tone this means im white feels good totally means a lot to me

>>17920834 (OP)
I feel like their skin tone was closer to the native American tribes of the Midwestern United States. Kind of a ruddy paper bag but not pajeet-tier brown.

>>17920834 (OP)
I don't care about their skin color. Once you get a lighter skin, there's 0% chance of going back to black.
I also doubt that any modern European looks 80% WHG but those with meaty noses are likely to be preserve the Cromagroid phenotype.

Wider nose and fuller lips make both sexes look more attractive and sexual. Narrower features make you like a manager cuck.

The ugliest Bell Beaker vs modern European farmoids

>>17921248
>>17921251
New Schizo unlocked. Now caucasoid/semite features are bad actually

>>17921258
New?
>Now caucasoid/semite features
New J(ew) unlocked.

Caucasoid farmcels always look like they can't close their mouths. Dysgenics degenerates.

>>17921261
Old one was the Caucasoid good actually. Both put into question the caucasoidness of European too. Anyways stop being retarded. Extremes of anything is ugly.

>>17921314
I've always known that a hooked nose is an unnatural degenerate trait. Now I know that it's caused by narrow palates and flat maxillas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V88rmlzIp5k

Allah knows.

>>17920834 (OP)
>>17921150

I was under the impression WHG had the same skin tones (and fashion sense) as Inuit and some Native Americans, but otherwise possessed an identifiable 'swarthy' European person appearance and hair type since they're outside all the fucking time.
That guy at the top looks too tomato red.
That guy at the bottom looks way too East-Indian. That's just silly.

Somebody without schizophrenia, explain to me why we care about what WHG's look like?
I thought this was a Jomon vs Yayoi type situation where WHG's all got replaced by EEF's because they had all the cool diseases and cereals, and only the Finnish, Laps, and Bascque people, still have any significant amount of WHG in them(?)

>>17921341
You are russian undeniably I just know it

>>17921370
Are you new here, lil nigga?

There are only two phenotypes:
1. Incels with narrow palates, narrow rat faces and hooked noses who can't close their mouths with no cheekbones, no shiet.
2. Normal.

Undeniable.

Italy(only homeland of WHG, only place they had time to adapt to) has in the summers similar UV radiation as India and Papua New Guinea.
It's not that crazy to think they had a lot of melanin. What's more important than that is, whenever WHG came into contact with EHG the light skin genes from EHG shared with modern West Eurasians became significantly more common.
They would have become common in places like Britain too, but they didn't exist there until EEF.

I usually buy alco at three different places in a Ruzzian city. And all three have similiar looking ass cashiers like this.
This bitch WHG or EHG? Why the fuck does she look like this?

>>17921432
There is zero benefit in looking like a australian in Europe. Further more, WHGs had skin lightening, just not the common ones. They had IRF4 and also HERC/OCA2 fixated. This makes it impossible for them to be dark. They can only be intermediate at most.

>>17921480
However, them lacking the SLCs and their descendants selecting for these genes, imdicates something similar like that in central asia, where the west eurasian SLC skin lightening is superior to the east asian ones, and got selected over time. WHGs were probably not pale, at all. Most weren't at least.

>>17921483
I actually think WHGs looking like Druze makes sense in skin color at least. As they had IRF4 and HERC/OCA2 and but no SLCs and Druze have SLCs fixated nearly but no IRF4 and little HERC.

>>17921486
SLC is just that powerful in particularly skin. To mirror it you need both IRF4 and HERC fixated.
>>17920880
As this guy said however. When you mix HERC, SLCs and IRF4 and even Redhead M1CR you get those albino irish

Somebody wuz a Negro-like Australoid. Who?

>>17921480
The rays of the sun still kill white people in Southern Italy which is why are all the same complexion as Nafris except maybe the descendants of the Norman elites who never toiled in the fields.
The biggest problem with understanding WHG is that people think they were native to NW Europe when they only lived there for a few thousand years and weren't even that successful at it.

Explain, Native Europeans?

This is what I need politically. Because people historically accept Mongoloids as Asiatic invaders.

This is what I see when I look at AmerINDIANs. If this is true, then le Native, Indigenous Europeans and their Arap rapists won't let you live on their land.

>>17921181
Completely subjective. I like girls with tiny lips

>>17921150
I think Berbers have the most similar alleles that govern skin tone to WHGs

>>17921619
No they don't, they have low herc2 and almost no irf4

>>17921610
Can you imagine Bill Gates getting as many prison letters as Jeremy Meeks? If not, then it's not subjective, lil nigga with them cocksucking lips.

>>17921658
Bill gates looks ugly for like a billion other reasons, also full lips are feminine, thin lips don't hinder male appearance

>>17921667
>also full lips are feminine
Complete nonsense. Tatar-looking ass Chads have them cocksucking lips.

>>17921679
He's attractive because the rest of his face is attractive, he would look equally attractive with thinner lips, they're not important on males

>>17921683
Nah, you're coping, lil nigga. But I be woondering what is this Finno-Ugrian/Tatar-like phenotype? Is this just a universal Cromagroid Chad pheno?

Why the fuck do they look like this?

>>17921686
are all these male models attractive or unattractive, I get the impression you have to be legit gay to tell and spend countless hours making little collages of them and microanalyzing every detail of their facial structure

all I know is those thick nigger lips where the top lip is black and the bottom lip is red looks real goofy

Our answer, EHG Uraloid bros? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoeGleUS4yw

This covenant began a long time ago
Ural-Batyr taught mankind the secrets of traditions
Evil will always come to people sowing discord

Son of the people! If you think you are a real batyr [warrior/hero], will you accept injustice and worship evil?
Will you follow it?
>>17921721
You need to cope harder, brotha. I've worked for a modeling agency and you didn't, lil nigga.

>>17921150
>I feel like
Fucking brownoid retards can't differentiate their feelings from reality.
As this guy said >>17920880
They were lilly white.

>>17921739
>uh.. cope, o algo...
oh yeah, great explanation for why you love microanalyzing male models and george floyd's thick niggerlips

>I've worked for a modeling agency and you didn't
why were you so eager to work for a male modeling agency

'jeets have them too

>>17921769
>why were you so eager to work for a male modeling agency
My mom's female friend runs it. She said I look like a model and shiet. This is what the bitch looks like.
>'jeets have them too
Good for them. The only Chad trait they have.

>>17921499
Now read the rest of my point, indian.

>>17921251
>>17921248
>>17921174
You honestly scare me if you a human unless your a shill or group or bot.
You post this shit all the time and no one buys it. How are you this terminally online?
Its retarded.
Not to mention the palate being different shapes has to do with their chewing and jaw development in youth. The human body does not want gums too small for the wisdom teeth to jank all their shit up.

>>17922185
>group
You confuse me with the Greek, the American and many padavans of this Finnish genius. It can take years to understand his school of thought but I'll help you.

what the fuck is this snownigger (pej. to slavs) ruski talking about

>>17922211
You're a WOG.

>>17920880
There's that Andrei DNA guy

>>17920834 (OP)
Genetics prove the top guy had feathers

>>17920834 (OP)
top
they wer caucasoid orthognathis, as opposed to prognathic negroids

someone posted this pic in another thread that is very accurate imo

>>17922559
Orthognatus features seem to be very eurasian

>>17922563
indeed, he also posted this pic, imo very very accurate

>>17922559
Many WHGs were prognathic. Villabruna for example. OP posted La Brana which is not a good example. He had a very atypical genetic profile.

>>17922566
Interesting, i saved it just in case

>>17922567
>Many WHGs were prognathic. Villabruna for example.
villabruna was not prognathic, whgs in general were not prognathic, since they were caucasoid

>>17922563
it's written "orthognathous" and yes, it's typically found among west eurasian populations

>>17922577
whgs had an orthognathous profile

>>17922568
He had mild prognathism. Was not fully orthognathic.

>>17922597
Meant for: >>17922577

>>17922597
unsourced claim and incorrect, he was 100% orthognathous

>>17921181
women on the right doesn't have full lips

>>17922603
No. Compare it to this actual modern caucasoid skull. His mandible is projected in comparison. WHG preserved a lot of archaic traits from Kostenki/Sunghir and that included prognathism sometimes.

>>17922621
>No.
you opinion=discarded
> His mandible is projected in comparison.
his mandible is perfectly aligned , he has no prognathism
when your mandible is receding you have retrognathism, not orthognathism, there's nothing "caucasoid" or "mongoloid" or "negroid" about retrognathism, it's a condition caused by mouth breathing
>WHG preserved a lot of archaic traits from Kostenki/Sunghir and that included prognathism sometimes.
whgs did not have prognathism, and most uppoer paleolithic hgs didn't either

>>17920834 (OP)
they had this variant associated with light skin and blue eyes, but not light hair

>>17922638
Villabruna vs modern European. Verdict: mild prognathism. Lack of ascending ramus makes him closer to negroids.

>>17922210
>>17922208
>>17922201
No, I don't think anyone has you mixed up.
You must be severely mentally ill.
You are misunderstanding craniofacial development in humans and what factors lead to certain shapes.
Pronounced jawlines does not mean negroid.i don't even know what level of dumb irony you are posting on.
You are disgustingly stupid.

>>17922661
>Villabruna vs modern European. Verdict: mild prognathism. Lack of ascending ramus makes him closer to negroids.
absolute nonsense, he doesn't have any prognathism, even according to this picture, he's firmly in the orthognathic variation, you're too stupid for this, begone

>>17922678
he got btfod so much by the entire board that he became an average negro worshipper from /b/, in fact that's probably where he should post his trash

>>17922693
You lost. Villabruna's ramus position is closer to archaics and negroes. You don't know anything about anthropology.

>>17922661
he doesn't have mid face prognathism, it's normal for the teeth to protrude a little bit, happens to modern humans quite frequently

>>17922705
>You lost.
no i didn't
>Villabruna's ramus position is closer to archaics and negroes. You don't know anything about anthropology.
you're stupid as fuck and don't know what you're talking about, no, villabruna's ramus is perfectly in line with "caucasoid" dimensions

>>17922710
That's why I said he's 'mildly' prognathic. Many people under the 'caucasoid' classification have mild prognathism. The term is arbitrary. Villabruna is more archaic than modern Europeans however. That's undeniable.

>>17922714
He's not even mildly prognathic, archaicity is irrelevant, he's just not prognathic, you're literally too stupid for this

>>17922705
his ramus is pretty in line with eef standards, you're comparing it with denisovans and neanderthals that have completely different skulls, sub saharan africans don't have a particularly long ramus

there are some people on this board, namely the spammer, that have a hate boner for caucasoids with robust features, they associate any form of robustness with "negroids" or "mongoloids", of course this couldn't be further from the truth, anthropology has always talked about robust caucasoids skull shapes, it's likely ricecels and blackcels infesting this board due to their increase online presence

>>17922725
The nigerian with a Russian vpn?

>>17922726
One of the spammers uses a Russian vpn or belongs to an ethnic minority(this is not hard to imagine since Russia is only 60% ethnic Russian according to the latest census)

>>17922726
>The nigerian with a Russian vpn?
he's from a discord channel, likely the same one that spams interracial porn on /gif/

>>17922719
>>17922720
Villabruna had an archaic chimp jaw and was mildly prognathic. I don't understand why you're denying this. There are Bell Beakers with prognathism. Why wouldn't the more archaic WHG have it?

>>17922781
whg doesn't have mild prognathism, his archaicity is irrelevant, he objectively doesn't have prognathism at all, you're wasting anyone's time with these unsubstantiated claims

>>17922802
According to you literal negroes from Africa don't have prognathism either.

>>17922808
a few don't, also protip, look at side pictures for prognathism, this tells us nothing

>>17922811
A recently reconstructed WHG woman with clear prognathism, more than the SSA individual I just posted. Retards with an agenda like you can claim anything about Villabruna because he doesn't have an actual reconstruction, but he's clearly rendered as midly prognathic by most amateur artists.

>>17922781
ramus and prognathism are different things, sub saharans often have short ramus, villabruna's ramus is around the typical dimensions of caucasods, as shown in the eef lbk skulls >>17922720

>>17922808
the villabruna doesn't exhibit prognathism, a slight protrusion of the teeth is not only normal but extremely common among caucasoids, most cuacasoid skulls possess such features

>>17922813
>A recently reconstructed WHG woman with clear prognathism
she doesn't, having a long philtrum =/= prognathism
> Retards with an agenda like you can claim anything about Villabruna because he doesn't have an actual reconstruction
villabruna doesn't have prognathism, this is evident from his skull
>, but he's clearly rendered as midly prognathic by most amateur artists.
not true and amateur artists are irrelevant

>>17922818
>>17922824
This just in: Africans are not prognathic and only the ones with very exaggerated chimp jaws like in racist caricatures are according to the local Slavic subhuman.

>>17922835
now this is a real negro, coal black and both lips black, as they should be, his chesire cat grin just like the caricatures in the old south, also I recall the south sudanese are objectively the blackest niggers on the planet

>>17922835
africans are prognathic on average, the villabruna is not even mildly prognathic
you are 1: cherrypicking and 2: showing frontal profiles that tell us little about prognathism

are lbks largely prognathic too, or maybe you're wrong and it's time you admit that

>>17922846
LBK was WHG admixed. You were obsessed with the Paleo-Sardinian phenotype a few months ago and now you're vehemently trying to deny prognathism exists in some Europeans. Villabruna looked similar to it.

>>17922861
oh damn, i knew this bullshit was coming from a mile away, lbks had little whg ancestry, like 5% on a good day, don't start with that, their cranias are different from whgs and are classified as mediterranean

you are vehemently trying to associate african features with whgs despite all proof points to the contrary

are eefs prognathic too? you clearly don't understand what prognathism even is

>>17922861
no only you're posting this shit amateur "humanphenotype" website for midwits

not even this site agrees with you
http://humanphenotypes.net/metrics/prognathism.html
see the orthognathy map?

>>17922868
*mediterranean OR alpine (way different from whgs in both cases)

>>17922868
>are eefs prognathic too? you clearly don't understand what prognathism even is
It's a protusion of the jaw. That's it. Villabruna's jaw is protuding compared to modern Europeans. Already posted this pic showcasing that: >>17922661 it's due to the position of the ramus being different and more archaic-like.

>>17922889
>Villabruna's jaw is protuding compared to modern Europeans.
it's not protruding, your comparison is retarded, it's protruding compared to that specific skull you posted but the protrusion is extremely small and in the caucasoid standards, in fact the villabruna's jaw likely protrudes less than modern european skulls on average
>it's due to the position of the ramus being different and more archaic-like.
no, stop mentioning things you don't even understand, his ramus is typical of caucasoid populations

>>17922895
The British were basically calling the Germans niggers with this image. Villabruna's skull is more prognathic than both.

>>17922910
>The British were basically calling the Germans niggers with this image
no, they were not, stop inventing things and stop posting ancient memes

>Villabruna's skull is more prognathic than both.
villabruna's skull is not even mildly prognathic, you are dumb and blind
villabrun's profile is not different from the average "caucasoid" skulls, like this typical lbk skull

>>17922913
There's a protusion of the jaw in both, but Villabruna is more chimp-like because of the ramus. Basically ANF was "Somali-like" caucasian and WHG was "West African-like" caucasian, whatever floats your boat.

>>17922933
>but Villabruna is more chimp-like because of the ramus
villabruna has a perfectly standard ramus, not much differetn from this lbk skull

>Basically ANF was "Somali-like" caucasian and WHG was "West African-like" caucasian, whatever floats your boat.
source?

>>17922940
Farmer skulls have 'pinched ascending ramus like modern Europeans. Villabruna doesn't. He has a gorilla/chimp-like archaic ramus.

>>17922957
>Farmer skulls have 'pinched ascending ramus like modern Europeans. Villabruna doesn't. He has a gorilla/chimp-like archaic ramus.
source? villabruna's ramus is perfectly average for modern europeans, also not much different from this lbk skull

also denisovans and neanderthal aren't "negros"
negros actually have short ramus, while the villabruna has long ramus
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/276272/
>Ramus height in the S.A. Negro is shorter than that of Caucasoids and appears to be related to the steep mandibular plane observed in the former population group.

prognathism has also nothing to do with the ramus
just like the other anon said you are calling robust features "negroid" and trying to imply robust caucasoid skulls are negroid

>>17922975
His ramus is thick and unpinched like that of a chimpanzee or gorilla. It's an archaic trait. Africans have thicker ramuses than Europeans and your study is about South Africans only.

>>17922995
>His ramus is thick and unpinched like that of a chimpanzee or gorilla
nope, his ramus is a bit more robust than average, but perfectly inside the caucasoid standards, not much different than this slightly more robust than average lbk man, quit posting literal gorillas and non humans, their cranias are completely different, robust features aren't african or asian, caucasoids can have robust features, stop demonizing robust features in caucasoids

>Africans have thicker ramuses than Europeans and your study is about South Africans only.
my study is about bantu south africans
>The present study is based on a sample comprising twenty-seven male and twenty-eight female adult craniums and mandibles of South African Bantu-speaking Negroes in the Department of Anatomy of the University of the Witwatersrand
here he goes trying to attack the legitimacy of a study when he hasn't posting any

>>17923012
I don't see what's controversial about saying the WHG were more archaic than the ANF. Somehow you're okay with the monke browridge coming from them but not the monke jaw. Length of the ramus is irrelevant. Chimps have longer ramuses than humans. It's about how thick it is and if it's arched/pinched.

>>17923012
>there is a significant ramus height (RH) difference between the two groups. The ramus height in South African Negroes is generally shorter than that of Caucasoids. Ramus height in Caucasoid and S.A. Negro males is 65.2 and 55.4 mm.; in females, it is 58 and 48.3 mm., respectively. Corpus length in Caucasoid and Negro males is 88.0 and 85.2 mm.; in females, it is 80.9 and 82.2 mm, respectively; the difference is not significant. The mean gonial angle measurement in Caucasoid males and females is 123.6 and 124.2 degrees; in S.A. Negroes it is 121.8 and 126.8 degrees, respectively; the difference likewise is not significant.
there are basically no significant differences in gonial angle between bantus and caucasoids, so attributing a specific gonial angle to caucasoids or negroids is something out of your fantasies that doesn't reflect reality
the only difference in that area of the mandible around the ramus is the height, that is actually larger in caucasoids

>>17923042
>I don't see what's controversial about saying the WHG were more archaic than the ANF.
you didn't say that whg is more archaic than anfs (a totally meaningless statement), you said that they had prognathism, which is simply not true

> It's about how thick it is
thickness of the ramus is not an african feature, there are no racial differences in ramus thickness and ramus thickness is not related to prognathism, you're mixing terminologies and concept, obfuscation because your argument is retarded and not supported by any single piece of evidence

robustness is not african or mongoloid, caucasoids can be robust without losing their "caucasoidness"

>>17923055
>you said that they had prognathism, which is simply not true
Why does AI disagree with you then? I said "many WHGs were prognathic", not all. Villabruna had some degree of it.

>>17923071
I guess it needs to be a literal chimp to classify. This WHG from Greece is not prognathic either?

>>17923071
>Why does AI disagree with you then?
get outta with this loser shit, you low iq retard, the statement doesn't even reach any conclusion, this is what you're reduced to

>Villabruna had some degree of it.
villabruna doesn't have any prognathism

you change arguments on the fly, prognathism and "ramus thickness" are unrelated, and "ramus thickness" has nothing to do with race

>>17923082
she may not even be a whg, it's debatable if greece was ever whg

>>17923100
If they reconstructed Villabruna he would most likely look similar to these woman: >>17922813
>>17923082 that's not prognathic according to you?
>you change arguments on the fly, prognathism and "ramus thickness" are unrelated
That was another tangent about archaic features.

>>17923113
>If they reconstructed Villabruna he would most likely look similar to these woman
villabruna didn't have any prognathism, this is evident from his skull, there's nothing to debate her, it's perfectly orthognathic, that's why you had to attack his ramus and not his inexistent prognathism, that greek woman is possibly not even a whg

>That was another tangent about archaic features.
a useless tangent that you lost, since it was proven that neither gonial angle nor thickness of the ramus have anything to do with race, and if anything caucasoids have longer ramus (the only racial difference between black and white ramus)

>>17920834 (OP)
They were most likely darker than Pakistanis, so extremely shitskinned.

>>17923121
>villabruna didn't have any prognathism, this is evident from his skull, there's nothing to debate her, it's perfectly orthognathic
But it's not. I already posted the side by side comparison. He is slightly prognathic compared to the European skull on the right: >>17922661
>that greek woman is possibly not even a whg
She looks too robust for an ANF and the WHG came from the Balkans. Impossible for her to be anything else.

They looked like a mixture of both. They had dark skin and hair, but light eyes.

>>17923109
Likely there was, or a different cluster like Fournol (but not Fournol) was common there. All the oldest finds are in the Balkans and it's natural they stayed by the sea. Hunter-gatherer population density just didn't fare well in the very first region agriculturists moved to in Europe.

What's unique about Greece is the multiple waves of CHG.

>>17923139
i don't think so, i think they were AHGs, this is only mtdna, so not super accurate but it seems to indicate continuity with eefs
>The mitochondrial haplogroups of two additional less well-preserved Greek Mesolithic individuals (Theo1, Theo5; SI Appendix, Table S6) belong to lineages observed in Neolithic farmers from across Europe; consistent with Aegean Neolithic populations, unlike central European Neolithic populations, being the direct descendants of the preceding Mesolithic peoples who inhabited broadly the same region. However, we caution against over-interpretation of the Aegean Mesolithic mtDNA data; additional genome-level data will be required to identify the Mesolithic source population(s) of the early Aegean farmers.
mind both this reconstruction and these samples are from theopetra, i believe one of these samples is actually her

>>17923134
>But it's not. I already posted the side by side comparison. He is slightly prognathic compared to the European skull on the right:
you are wrong, he doesn't have any prognathism, you simply don't understand what prognathism is, your comparison is retarded, the other skull having a slightly jutting chin doesn't make the villabruna prognathic, the villabruna is perfectly orthognathic

>She looks too robust for an ANF and the WHG came from the Balkans. Impossible for her to be anything else.
some anfs were robust, look here >>17923143

>>17923149
His jaw jutes forward compared to the modern European. Here, I drew a line for you. There's varying degrees of prognathism.
>>17923143
>>17923149
Low coverage samples not enough to reach any conclusion. Either way, this woman also looks similar and she's 100% WHG: >>17922813

>>17923143
>i think they were AHGs
Possibly but these were all like Iron Gates hg. I remember seeing C1a2 y-DNA in both Villabruna and AHG, and the only Solutrean tested so far. So all these groups had some deep ancient ties.

>>17923189
>His jaw jutes forward compared to the modern European. Here, I drew a line for you. There's varying degrees of prognathism.
nope, it doesn't, the cranium is simply slightly inclined

>>17923207
C1a2 is extremely rare in whgs, i think only the labrana has it
but yes their mtdna, while being much more common among anatolian farmers was present very sporadically in mesolithic europeans

however i offer you another possible piece of evidence, the biomuse project released some previews of their study a few years ago, and a mesolithic HG from the middle of the agean seems to be ahg genetically
for now everything is debatable but i believe that they were ahgs

>>17923209
Hahaha what a pathetic faggot. He thinks it's impossible for hunter gatherer ooga boogas to be prognathic even though there are modern Europeans that are, specially Russhits with their cock sucking nigga lips.

>>17923246
the villabruna specifically was not prognathic, some outliers with prognathism probably existed, just like outliers with prognathism among anatolian farmers also existed

Reminder, this woman has no Early European Farmers (EEF) genetic material of note. The same EEF that establishment (((anthropologists))) claim are the originators of European trademark pale skin. Ergo everyone else like WHG must be blacker than Wesley Snipes. That's their big argument, WHG are not EEF.

>>17922707
Pic sources

>>17923363
slovakia
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325192925_Anthropology_of_the_neolithic_population_from_Nitra-Horne_Krskany_Slovakia
czech
http://puvodni.mzm.cz/Anthropologie/downloads/articles/2008/Dockalova_2008_p37-76.pdf

>>17923231
Where did you get these figures?

>>17923364
Thank you bro
I love anthropology

>>17923365
https://biomuse.eu/erevna/syggeneies-metanasteyseis-stoys-archaioys-plithysmoys/?lang=en
https://biomuse.eu/biographies/o-trofosyllektis-tis-astypalaias/?lang=en

>>17923364
I looked at the data, it seems quite varied, some even quite delicate and robust. Do we have samples of this culture?

>>17923374
they're all lbk, linear pottery culture (and a few of the czech samples are from a derived lbk subcultures Stroked and Moravian Pottery Cultures), so yes, we have a ton of samples, they're eef with low whg contributions (something like 5% on average)

>>17923383
I'll try to get the IDs to use in G25. And do they have a negative steppe? I say this because we had cultures in this region and even in the Balkans that predate Yamnaya by thousands of years. But it's interesting to know that these groups practically didn't mix that much, except for Ozero. Thank you, anonymous, for your time.
God bless you.

>>17923383
Are the skulls of Funnelbeaker Globular amphora more robust due to this increase in WHGroids? People exaggerate the amounts, but some distal models show up to 27%; in the Aegean it was a genocide, although I have seen qpAdm models with up to 3% greece Mesolithic

>>17923392
He hates Russians and make these spammer threads here>>17923246
Ignore him

>>17923383
but you, haplotards are stupid to the point of using Barcin_N in all your models as a proxy for EEFs, use more accurate proxies you four-headed mules

>>17923396
it wasn't really a genocide, because in the balkans even if the autosomal contribution of whgs is very low (5 to 10 percent depending on the population), the euro hg ydna contribution is a significant minority (20-30%)
that's not the case in greece, but again, i'm not sure it was ever populated by whgs

i don't think the funnelbeaker or globular amphora skulls are more robust from what i've heard, if anything they seem even narrower and more doli, robusticity is not necessarily correlated to ancestry, the corded ware are even more doli and narrow than eefs despite being genetically similar to much more robust bell beakers and yamnaya

>>17923398
i didn't post that, that guy was literally replying to my comment

>>17923407
BBcs were actually brachi
>the euro hg ydna contribution is a significant minori
Are you talking the Haplo I2?

>>17923416
>BBcs were actually brachi
they were more meso, but much more robust than CWcs
>Are you talking the Haplo I2?
I2 and mesolithic r1b

>>17923407
Only the CWC mutts, the early ones were robust like yamnaya
>>17923416
Iberian """beakers"
>>17923371
Lazaridis hates them kek

>>17923419
I'm not sure if bell beakers were more robust than CWC, and I think the other guy there has a good point, the CWC divisions have changed a lot over time, the PNL001 samples are basically "yamnaya", even with a similar amount of churkoids, however, early CWC from the polynya already had more GAC. The interesting one is the Baltic CWC, I read an article a while back that they even adopted certain fishing practices from these WHGs.

>>17923316
The browns that post here aren’t aware White skin isn’t exclusive to Euros so they assume anything not modern European must be Arab or African. They would unironically go ballistic if they realized archaic CHGs, WHGs, ANE, Cro Magnon, and The non nig admixed North African HGs were White like Poles or French are White.
These are browncels living in Europe who have a complex about White men because Whites busted their women in school.
Now they can only seethe with hatred at the people they see as their betters and attempt to have a “gotcha” on Whites by claiming Archaic Whites aren’t White.
Same impulse that makes a jeet go “I your father bloody benchod bitch respect me I marry you mom now I father respect bitch” just the seething of a mental child.

>>17923431
>>17923364
I'm not sure if bell beakers were more robust than CWC, and I think the other guy there has a good point, the CWC divisions have changed a lot over time, the PNL001 samples are basically "yamnaya", even with a similar amount of churkoids, however, early CWC from the polynya already had more GAC. The interesting one is the Baltic CWC, I read an article a while back that they even adopted certain fishing practices from these WHGs.
and a question for a friend, a bronze age guy who likes female feet, and had a Corded Ware wife, would the feet be ugly and masculine? some reconstructions look like troons.

>>17923438
I forgot to use the
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But anyway, where can I find this?

>>17923443
I don't know, man, I usually download individual PDFs from Google. Maybe try visiting specific university websites about anthropology, there are some articles.

>>17923431
the fact that they (cwc) were as narrow skulled and as doli as the eefs or even more makes me think that there's selection at play here and their gracilization can't be simply reduced to an increase in eef ancestry

>>17922559
>someone
Funny shitskin.

The more Caucasoid, the darker and shorter you look. Caucasoid is a shitskin phenotype.

>>17922641
It also increases the chances of red hair and freckling

>>17922975
This must have been an attractive woman when she was alive

Sweet, a bioanthropological schizo thread.

>>17924135
you're a literal tranny for posting this

When did these Finno-Ugrian-like Mongoloid, Australoid, Negroid-looking people become depigmented? And why are they all over Europe?

Also nootice that they have straight Eurasian hair, not the curly Afro-Medjeet Bizon hair.

>>17924198
these are just caucasoids

>>17924209
Kys, Mongol rape baby.

Northeast Russians tend to look like Papuan pseudo-Caucasoid shitskins (AmerINDIAN ANEjeets). It could be Kostenkijeet influence or something basal East Eurasian (Amerindians don't model well with Devil's Cave Gate).
Amerindians are a quadruple phenotyped: Papuan, Mongoloid, Uraloid, Negroid and South Amerindians have an additional Oceanian phenotype (Olmec). The latter is often used in Afrocentrist wewuzing.

Do you understand it or not, Caucasoid shitskins? Or are you too dumb to understand science, Brown Poos? >>17921514 >>17921497

Then when you pass the Ural into the West, the same "Satanic" Paleo-Siberians suddenly start to look "Angelic" and become depigmented like Will Poulter. I see people like him daily! They're everywhere!
So how did those Satanic AmerINDIAN ANEjeet shitskins become Angelic?

Here are Armenians who look like basic Russian sugar babies. Why the fuck do they look like this? And from where did Russians get this phenotype if AmerINDIAN ANEjeets are so Satanic?

They're everywhere.

This Jeet-tier Korean mutt mogged that Uraloid Caucasoid mutt. What does it mean? Is Caucasoidism a degeneracy? Where are your jaws and chins, recessed cucks?

>>17924309
It's just that one individual having a bigger jawline than the other individual

H(abibi) wants that R1b(atyr) dick
>>17924332
Ok.