Thread 17921316

Is there any good resource to see what north african medieval armors and weapons looked like, i'm looking for some cool/fancy gear

Osprey - the moors, The Islamic West 7th–15th Centuries AD, Probably best covers what you're looking for. Check out their other books if you want something earlier, or are more interested in Egypt than the Maghreb

>>17921316 (OP)
oh fuck off is that real, op?

>>17921551
You live in clown world. Of course that's real.

>>17921551
>>17921555
>a fictional character in fantasy series from a decade ago is... black?!?!?! ARRGGGHHHHH I'M LOSING MY FUCKING MIND ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

>>17921316 (OP)
They didn't have armor.

>>17921559
We don't like your kind here.

>>17921582
We don't like people who don't have a screaming meltdown because they saw a black guy in a movie?

>>17921582
I see, so reddit is when you have a rational thinking? Because the anon is right, why tf would we be angry about a fictional characters race be changed? Lancelot story has been super altered in books and in series, what would be the difference here? /his/ has been never about discussing these childish /pol/ things but about the actual study of history.
Please, go back to twitter

>>17921593
Lancelot is a historical person

>>17921599
>>17921316 (OP)
This show was fun tho

I don't give a fuck about whatever autistic shit is happening ITT but I want to say that Afro-Knights are an underappreciated aesthetic in media and you'd think with how woke hollywood is that we'd see more of that type of shit instead of the cringe SJW yuppies

>>17921316 (OP)
WE WUZ

>>17921593
Would you say the same if it was a black character being swapped?

>>17921640
NTA but I just wouldn't give a shit about what race a fictional character is as long as they look cool and the writing and characterization are good.

>>17921599
He isnt.
King Arthur world is a literature invention

>>17921599
>Lancelot is a historical person
lmao the absolute state of this board

>>17921640
I wouldnt care really.
If one is willing to learn about the medieval lancelot legend, you shouldnt watch a series, but rather the novel "Lancelot, the Knight of the Cart"

>>17921550
Thanks bro

>>17921551
Relax, Pussy

>>17921599
Ok, where was he born and in what year and when did he die and where?

>>17921559
>>17921590
>>17921591
>>17921593
>niggerifying white characters is le good
You are retarded subhuman degenerates.

>>17921943
No one is saying its good you stupid bufoon, we are saying that it doesnt even matter, since lancelot story has been changed and changed over the time.

>>17921943
>white characters

The tl;dr of this image is:
>399aa
is a Moor/Maghrebi. Not all would have mail beneath the burnouse or whatever the term is
>399z
Is a mixture of Franks, Andalusians, Berbers-Arabs, and one black guy. The Turbaned are moors/Maghrebi, the hatless probably is too, the helmets may be andalusians.
>399ab
Great helmet is clearly a Christian, other are Andalusians and moors

Quilted armor was present in the Sudan since at least the 1st/2nd century BC or thereabouts. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea references Ptolemy sending on an expedition against the Ethiopians 100 horsemen whose rider and horse were dressed in felt or quilted garments that left nothinjg but the eyes covered. Someone (I couldn't remember the name of the book, Erithyean whatever) posting the quote on a forum posits they think the invetors were Ptolemaic. Except the author says they are called 'kasas' in those parts - and if they were Greek they'd call it something greek.

I hate to sound like a woke faggot but I think there's a tendency to think of blacks as nothing but ooga booga bone-in-nose half naked gorillas at all time. Given the Kushite dynasty was noted for its cavalry and Kushite horse-handlers show up in the Assyrian records and they are inheritors of the Egyptian tradition, barding (and felt armor for the rider) is completely reasonable. Especially given how much the Nubians between Aethiopia and Egypt were bow-happy.

That's not medieval, but it points to a continuity with the later medieval quilted barding cavalry of the North-east Africa.

>>17921960
Similarly the Africans in the West had quilted 'cataphracts' for similar reasons (lots of bows, poison bows) and they didn't get it from anyone because their only interaction Northward was with the Almoravids (Wouldn't have used it) and then whichever Moroccan dynasty went and smacked them around but that was well after such cavalry existed.

Just google in google books, google on regular google for derivatives of
"North African medieval armor", "Medieval African armor", "What did Medieval African soldiers look like". Or find the dynasty you are interested in and look into that one.

Pic related from whatever European manuscript is likely depicting the "Turk" mercenaries that'd end up in the West sometimes (Can't see why Europeans would be having bows on horseback), while the guys up front are clearly Arab-Berber cavalry. And again it's the standard robe (one guy has it rolled up sleeves), turban, adarga shield.

You see this again with another Spanish manuscript, the same source I believe my prior pic was from here

https://iberome.hypotheses.org/files/2020/08/Reconquista4.jpg

with Christian knights followed by Muslim mercenaries having adargas, turbans, ect. Of note is the berbers/arabs have varied beards - red, blonde, brown, black.

You're all crying and pidding and sharding over a magical knight who was raised by fairies.

>>17921655
>>17921657
Oh my science

>>17921950
>No one is saying its good you stupid bufoon
You are implying it by complaining to those who call out such degeneracy, you low iq subhuman.
>we are saying that it doesnt even matter, since lancelot story has been changed and changed over the time.
That doesn't mean it doesn't matter, you degenerate idiot.
>>17921952
Yes, shitskin. Lancilot and the rest of Arthurian characters are White (with one exception at most)

>>17921316 (OP)
>We wuz knightz n shieeet

>>17922142
Yes.

>>17921950
>No one is saying its good you stupid bufoon, we are saying that it doesnt even matter
Imagine expecting people to take you seriously while saying the narcissist's prayer.

>>17921316 (OP)
>>17921550
This.
Osprey is not 100% accurate and it always fucks up some detail. A lot of its material is also pretty old and has been made to look bad by research that postdates it.
And yet it's still pretty much unarguably the best source of medieval military illustrations other than combing through period art by yourself.

>>17921316 (OP)
new mlk movie out

Why are blacks trying to appropriate white history and white legends? Is it because they are monkey subhuman slaves with no history to be proud of?

>>17922290
another

>>17922299
Just like the nordics who try to appropiate of the mediterranean civilizations no?

>>17922525
No. Brownoids are trying to appropriate Mediterranean civilizations from whites.

>>17922028
"Implying it". That i don't want /pol/ threads in /his/ means i like it you retard?
I just dont want threads about "oh look they made this fictional character whose history has been changed after changed after changed in novels, movies and series black, you shall get mad MAD!".
That belongs on /pol/, here in /his/ we wouldnt have such childish discussions but rather about the actual original novel of Lancelot for example.

>>17922534
"Whites", mediterraneans are the ones who should be proud of those civilizations, not "whites", since while rome and greece were creating the great civilizations the northern germanics and slavs were still barbarian and savages

>>17921963
>Pic related from whatever European manuscript is likely depicting the "Turk" mercenaries that'd end up in the West sometimes (Can't see why Europeans would be having bows on horseback), while the guys up front are clearly Arab-Berber cavalry. And again it's the standard robe (one guy has it rolled up sleeves), turban, adarga shield.
This is a depiction of Mongols warriors chasing after Mamluks.

>>17922544
Brown people are cancer born or race mixing which destroys civilizations. Trying to claim they are responsible for anything except the doom of nations is peak historical revisionism.

>>17921963
>Of note is the berbers/arabs have varied beards - red, blonde, brown, black
Probably because they are actually Andalusian Muslims.

>>17922544
And for the people who will say me "romans and greeks were white" i know.
What i mean is that is dumb for example, than a germanic or a slav feel pride of rome or greece only because they have the same phenotype, just as what african americans want to do, is just stupid

>>17922551
I see, so lets see some of the places where writing systems were first created:
Middle east-brown
Mesoamerica-brown
East Asia- Yellow
That obvioulsy doesnt mean browns are superior to white people, is just that their phenotype changed by setling in certain areas.

And is just that, phenotype, since europeans are just the product of mixing within ANE, WHG, and anatolian.
The same can be said of native americans for example, being the product of mixing within proto mongoloids and ANE

>>17922299
>>17922551
/pol/tranny meltdown

>>17922299
How exactly do you expect legends to be made in a vacuum? Honest question here, because there are a few examples of European myths that originated in the Middle East and the Levant, including possibly most Greek legends. How the fuck is anyone supposed to create any culture or folklore for themselves under an environment where they're constantly walking on eggshells trying not to incur the wrath of the chud police and are arbitrarily gatekept on where they are allowed to draw inspiration from?

>>17922299
>why
it is a mystery

>>17922642
>Robert Wilson Shufeldt Jr. (December 1, 1850 – January 21, 1934) was an American osteologist, myologist, museologist and ethnographer who contributed to comparative studies of bird anatomy and forensic science.[1] He hated black people, strongly approved of the Ku Klux Klan, and was a proponent of white supremacy.[2][3][4] A scandal and subsequent divorce from his second wife, the granddaughter of the famous ornithologist John James Audubon, led to a landmark judgment by the Supreme Court of the United States of America on the subject of alimony and bankruptcy.
>Shufeldt married three times, first to Catherine Babcock, then to Florence Audubon (granddaughter of John James Audubon) before marrying Alfhild Dagny Lowum, a Norwegian.[1] The first wife Catherine committed suicide in an asylum. His second wife, Florence Audubon, left him after two months of marriage, accusing him of adultery. Florence sought divorce on the grounds that Robert was having an affair with their Norwegian housekeeper, who would later become his third wife. Around this time he published a pamphlet titled On Female Impotency[17] which included a photograph of a nude woman who he described as a mulatto but likely Ms. Audubon. This paper describing his personal problems, thinly veiled as medical research and meant to blackmail Florence, stated his affiliation to the Smithsonian Institution which outraged the Smithsonian leadership and led to his dismissal in 1897. Shufeldt refused to pay alimony following the divorce and claimed bankruptcy which was taken up in the US Supreme Court Audubon v. Shufeldt, 181 US 575 (1901).[18]
Oh yeah /pol/tards, this really sounds like the guy you want representing you
I wish there was a way to force posters to take some kind of mental wellness test before being allowed to post so we wouldn't have to see the same schizos pop up around the same time every day to spam and gish-gallop their schizographs featuring their losers-of-the-week

>>17922570
>Middle east-brown
There's that appropriation bullshit I was talking about. Claiming brownoids have anything to do with civilizations from antiquity is peak historical revisionism.
>Mesoamerica-brown
The cannibal savages squatting in the ruins of a once white civilization. Their brownness is evidence of the race mixing which destroyed them.
>East Asia- Yellow
East Asian whitesare white, but the not white ones aren't.

>>17922697
Rage bait or mentally retarded

>>17921591
cringe
>>17921582
based

>>17922666
>>17922620
Go back soi boy

>>17922744
>colored to appease modern audiences

>>17921943
So black people didn’t exist until the invention of modern cars

>>17921551
>>17921555
Im watching an old western front the 70s and every native American character is just a White guy in brownface.

>>17922666
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRRR

>>17923983
>Samuel Jared Taylor was born on September 15, 1951, to Christian missionary parents from Virginia in Kobe, Japan.[11][12] He lived in Japan until he was 16 years old and attended Japanese schools up to the age of 12, becoming fluent in Japanese.[11]
>In the 1980s, at the time of the country's strong economic growth, Taylor was viewed as a "Japan expert" in the mainstream media. In 1983 he published a well-received book on Japanese culture and business customs entitled Shadows of the Rising Sun: A Critical View of the Japanese Miracle.[15] While critical of certain aspects of Japanese culture, Taylor argued that Japanese society was more successful in solving social issues than the West, with lower crime rates and a similar or higher standard of living.[16]
"White Power" my ass

>>17923991
another
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRR

>>17922299

because Niggers are the Godfathers of European identity; a feigned sense of pride reflecting a majesty which the white "man" is simply allowed to be a purveyor of

lest you remain as beast as per your natural assigned lot, now the white man functions as a midwife and made to reflect the image of its masters

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>>17922952
Not in Britain

>>17922299
Basically