Thread 17922237

What caused the failure of the Soviet economics?

>>17922237 (OP)
Soviet economy was pretty bad but not collapse-bad. The collapse came after the USSR dissolved as former officials looted whatever they could

>>17922237 (OP)
the only reason the USSR lasted so long was because they captured and enslaved German scientists and economists etc. So by the time they died off, of course it started to collapse.

>>17922237 (OP)
>what caused
communism

>>17922237 (OP)
Soviet economics is a failure. If you meant 'What killed the Soviet economy' then it was Soviet economics - which is so bad that people were starving while they had more than enough of the most fertile land on Earth to feed everybody in the USSR, and they went broke while owning the largest single share of the worlds resources.

Communist theory and praxis are just that fucking retarded. If you were trying to intentionally ruin a country your plan would look almost identical to Communist orthodoxy.

>>17922237 (OP)
As if the US spent less on the cold war?

>>17922286
>USSR GDP 1989: $2.66 Trillion
>USA GDP: 1989: $5.23 Trillion
Great point Anon, very relevant.

>>17922300
The USSR didn't use dollars dumbfuck. In rubles the GDP was higher

>>17922237 (OP)
>uhh it was communism
No, it was russians. Everything else is cope

Shit economy during imperial era
Shit economy during USSR
Shit economy Today
System bad? No
Russians retarded? yes

Give eastern europe to communist germans and they would have created fifth reich. Russian? Cant create shit. Can only eat leftovers from table of his boyar/commie/oligarch master

>>17922376
OK Commie, show one example where Marxist theory actually worked.

>>17922339
>In rubles the GDP was higher
XD

>>17922237 (OP)
generally?
they simply lost economic war against usa

specific reasons
chernobyl disaster
afghan war
losing satelite countries
perestroika
years of fuckups catching up

>>17922237 (OP)
>hur hur no food!
Average Soviet citizen had a higher caloric intake than any American or European nation
>hur hur Aral Sea!
Literally a post Soviet issue caused by central Asians, Soviets were planning a canal to keep it filled

>>17922432
Chernobyl and Afghanistan literally had zero influence on the Soviet Union collapsing, you’re a midwit

>>17922459
Da. I am Frank Americanovitch, of New York Oblast. I can confirm that biggest dietary problem in America is of starvation and malnutritions.

>>17922459
>Average Soviet citizen had a higher caloric intake than any American or European nation
They must have been working out like crazy since their obesity rates were much lower.

>>17922459
>The disappearance of the lake was no surprise to the Soviets, they expected it to happen long before. As early as 1964, Aleksandr Asarin at the Hydroproject Institute pointed out that the lake was doomed, explaining, "It was part of the five-year plans, approved by the council of ministers and the Politburo. Nobody on a lower level would dare to say a word contradicting those plans, even if it was the fate of the Aral Sea."

>>17922240
Ergo all the money was on the bunkers nice to know

>>17922462
both undermined their legitimacy, and international prestige, which are required to keep multinational empire in one piece

Soviets rode the oil crisis too hard to survive the oil slump. In the end oil bought them ~ 10 years but also completely destroyed incentives for reform. In a no oil embargo counterfactual there is at least some chance for a successful reform, or else it all collapses before 1980.