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Anonymous No.17922830 [Report] >>17922849 >>17922856 >>17922865 >>17922875 >>17922877 >>17922881 >>17923325 >>17923348
He never actually refuted the Pharisees.
Anonymous No.17922849 [Report] >>17922851 >>17922852 >>17922891 >>17923320 >>17923325 >>17923342
>>17922830 (OP)
He's God, He doesn't need to "refute" anybody, just saying "you're wrong" is enough for Him to win.
Anonymous No.17922851 [Report] >>17922855
>>17922849
>I am god
>Proof
>Uhm if you disbelieve me the pigeon will curse you
Anonymous No.17922852 [Report] >>17922860
>>17922849
>He's God
Anonymous No.17922855 [Report] >>17922862 >>17922899 >>17922920 >>17923389
>>17922851
>>Proof
>Walking on water
>Turning water into wine
>Raising a girl back from the dead
>Exorcizing a demon
>Calmin a storm
>Multiplying bread and fish
>Curing the blind by just touching their eyes
>Resurrecting.
>E-erm those don't count though.
Anonymous No.17922856 [Report] >>17922891
>>17922830 (OP)
he tore the veil, but you don't see heaven because the enemies of God have made you blind.
Anonymous No.17922860 [Report] >>17922867
>>17922852
John 10:30

>I and the Father are one.
Anonymous No.17922862 [Report] >>17922864
>>17922855
>Refused to show any of his tricks in front of the pharisees
Anonymous No.17922864 [Report] >>17922870
>>17922862
He literally did, and all that they could answer was that He was doing it by the power of Beelzebub
Anonymous No.17922865 [Report]
>>17922830 (OP)
It's actually very interesting that if you read the gospels with a neutral POV, then the pharisees are very clearly in the right.
Anonymous No.17922867 [Report]
>>17922860
>He's God because he said so
Anonymous No.17922870 [Report] >>17922882
>>17922864
>Refuses to do it in front of all the pharisees
>Waits until there's one or two isolated ones
>Acts suspiciously defensive once they point out that summoning demons would have the same effect
Anonymous No.17922875 [Report] >>17922878
>>17922830 (OP)
His mission was to correct their wrong teachings
Anonymous No.17922877 [Report]
>>17922830 (OP)
Every plane and car is still under Turkish rule. Every computer, every atom, every gun. It was all under Greek origin rule latin. omg if latin ruled all of europe, and turks controlled their origin country, and what if someone comes from one of these countries? Wow this made me think. Are these people good? are they in trouble? Can they control themselves? Do they just fallow the law if they simply moved to another country? I'm worried and even more thoughtful.The original words of Latin had multiple meanings. Such as person, means mask, that was from Etruscan, which was from Greek. Greek the source of language of rule of all of Europe was under Ottoman control for 600-700 years? Now Turkey had seven wars with Russia, many wars with others, and no one ever took control of Turkey. Everyone speaks Turkish there while, the place is historical as some of you might know, Iranians fought with Greeks, but Turkish language alone, from Asia, is a completely different timely equipped language that only the most intelligent comprehend how powerful and smart it is. They are indeed the rulers of the world undefeated, and in who invented what first means by all means in efficient tactility.Since the Romans spoke Latin and had Europe, their language and all knowledge was from Greece, and the Ottomans controlled Greece, thus they control all knowledge and every word you can think of and anything you can invent, they by time are undefeated. Then Europeans went to the Americas, and everything under Ottoman control and invention spread to the world.Every war with Russia or Iran, or Europe, no one ever got to the core of the nation and took it over.
Anonymous No.17922878 [Report] >>17922883 >>17922885
>>17922875
That passage implies that their teachings are correct though...
Anonymous No.17922881 [Report]
>>17922830 (OP)
People just say they win. Seven wars with Russia and they couldn't do anything. World war one, was all of Europe and infact the entire world against Turkey and still they couldn't win. Now Turkey has latin alphabets.There was seven wars with Russia, and everyone, they just suddenly stop coming to Turkey. It just suddenly stops. The problem isn't taking over, the problem is miseducated people, and then we are done. Because literally Turks language are the smartest.Seven wars with Russia, many wars with Iran, many wars with many European countries, they fought with everyone, and whatever the matter that is spoken, they still just win. It's always Turkey.Anyone can say they win, but when you look at who and what one, there are other hidden sultans you have no idea about.By time, anyone can say they won, but by time, Turkey is always thinking of what's next after you simply say you won. And that was multiple countries brought there in world war 1.There are hidden Sultans, you have no idea about. So the entire conversation is over on who won and what is where. Who is saying what and what is time.Sultans you have never seen before, who are hiding the fact that they are Sultans.None of you won, none of you ever beat Turkey.Ataturk was a hidden Sultan, the Sultans had children with normal villagers, so who ever won, it was a battle between the Sultans, not you.
Anonymous No.17922882 [Report] >>17923137
>>17922870
He literally destroys their rationale with facts and logic:

>But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man?

Matthew 12:24-29
Anonymous No.17922883 [Report]
>>17922878
After he fixed them.
Anonymous No.17922885 [Report]
>>17922878
Yeah, that was his whole point when attacking the Pharisees, the reason why Jesus criticized them so harshly was because they had the correct position, but their hipocrisy made people flee from the truth.
Anonymous No.17922891 [Report] >>17922899 >>17922904 >>17922917
>>17922849
>I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING REEEEE
>>17922856
Those people were worshipping God for thousands of years while your ancestors were throwing eachother in bogs to appease some pagan tranny deities. You will never be a real Hebrew.
Anonymous No.17922899 [Report]
>>17922891
see:
>>17922855
Anonymous No.17922904 [Report] >>17922911
>>17922891
>You will never be a real Hebrew.
Thank God, why would anybody want to be part such an accursed nation as yours?
Anonymous No.17922911 [Report] >>17922917
>>17922904
>takes his entire cosmology from ancient Hebrew religion
>"erm...abrahamic beliefs developed in bumfuckberg, Europe ackshoaly"
You "people" have the biggest inferiority complex history has ever seen.
Anonymous No.17922917 [Report] >>17923155
>>17922891
>2
>>17922911
>takes his entire cosmology from ancient Hebrew religion
jews invented nothing and their version of it is wrong
AnonymousAtheist No.17922920 [Report] >>17922943
>>17922855
Those claims were all pulled out of the bible, and the bible is not evidence, the best the bible can be used for is hearsay (a rumor)
Anonymous No.17922943 [Report] >>17922945 >>17922951
>>17922920
I believe in it, and I affirm by belief over it against everyone.
Anonymous No.17922945 [Report]
>>17922943
>I believe in it, and I affirm by belief over it against everyone.
I don’t see how this is our problem.
Anonymous No.17922951 [Report] >>17922977
>>17922943
Sandnigger mentality
Anonymous No.17922977 [Report] >>17922981
>>17922951
Everybody's gotta have faith in something, anon.
Anonymous No.17922981 [Report] >>17922999
>>17922977
True, man seems to have an innate need to worship something, whether it's a religious belief or funkopops if you're an atheist.
Anonymous No.17922999 [Report]
>>17922981
>man seems to have an innate need to worship something
worship is not a feature of the prechristian religions of whites, and it is not meant to be a feature of christianity either.

jews and islamists, they worship an external God and such beliefs are idolatrous heresy
Anonymous No.17923030 [Report] >>17923358
Jesus does use some highly suspect arguments sometimes thoughbeit. Like his defense of belief in resurrection to the Saducees.

Mark 12:26-27
>"And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?He is God not of the dead but of the living; you are quite wrong."
That's about the whole argument as we have it, though there are slight variations between gospels. God used the present tense in referring to himself as the God of Moses' ancestors, and God is not the God of the dead but of the living (Source? Is he saying that truly dead people can't be said to have gods, or is he saying that truly dead people are outside of God's jurisdiction, or is he quoting something?), therefore Moses' ancestors are in some sense still alive from God's perpective... therefore the dead will be raised? (It seems like either there are a few missing premises between those last two inferences or else Jesus is implicitly supporting a very unusual understanding of what the resurrection means.)
Anonymous No.17923137 [Report] >>17923164
>>17922882
>falsefags can't happen
Je-SUS
Anonymous No.17923155 [Report] >>17923166
>>17922917
You literally took what Jews made. You are Jewish in essence (which, there is nothing wrong with)
Anonymous No.17923164 [Report] >>17923240
>>17923137
Ok, prove it was a falseflag.
Anonymous No.17923166 [Report] >>17923240
>>17923155
All of jewish theology and cosmology is stolen from previous iterations of the belief system as understood by civilizations that long preceded the existence of jews.

Epic of Gilgamesh, Sargon of Akkad, etc. Claiming jews invented any of it is completely retarded.
Anonymous No.17923240 [Report] >>17923244 >>17923261
>>17923166
>Christianity is just shitty fanfiction of a plagiarized b-tier religion
Grim
>>17923164
I don't have to prove that it was a false flag. The fact that je-SUS became so defensive is enough.
Anonymous No.17923244 [Report]
>>17923240
>Falseflag!
>Ok, prove it.
>I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE IT!
lul
Anonymous No.17923261 [Report]
>>17923240
>judaism* is just shitty fanfiction of a plagiarized b-tier religion
ftfy
Anonymous No.17923320 [Report] >>17923333
>>17922849
ok, so hes a hypocritical god.
>gives Tabernacle
>"follow this"
>pharisees follow it to a Tee
>god comes down and breaks these rules
god:
>"rules for thee, not for me"
Anonymous No.17923325 [Report]
>>17922849
>>17922830 (OP)
He said you are too.
Anonymous No.17923333 [Report] >>17923341
>>17923320
>>pharisees follow it to a Tee
They literally weren't, also they were adding man-made traditions to God's law and making it even harder for people to follow the law.
>"rules for thee, not for me"
......yeah? Obviously? The rules are for us, not God.
Anonymous No.17923341 [Report] >>17923380
>>17923333
>also they were adding man-made traditions to God's law
interesting. So tell me the part of the Paul's letters where he specifically discusses transgender people and lesbians instead of only gay men. Or the part about Covid Vaccines.
Anonymous No.17923342 [Report] >>17923353 >>17923376
>>17922849
>He's God

That's heretical..."for the father is greater than I"

enjoy burning...asshole
Anonymous No.17923348 [Report]
>>17922830 (OP)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

“Beware of the scribes, who desire to go around in long robes, love greetings in the marketplaces, the best seats in the synagogues, and the best places at feasts, 47who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.”

“These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

0“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23
Anonymous No.17923353 [Report]
>>17923342
Jews don't believe in hell.
Anonymous No.17923358 [Report] >>17923375
>>17923030
It's especially odd since there are many statements in the Tanakh that seem more plausibly indicative of resurrection than the one Jesus chose, like

Isaiah 25:7-8
"And he will destroy on this mountain the shroud that is cast over all peoples, the covering that is spread over all nations; he will swallow up death forever."

Isaiah 26:19
"Your dead shall live; their corpses shall rise. Those who dwell in the dust will awake and shout for joy! For your dew is a radiant dew, and the earth will give birth to those long dead."

Daniel 12:2-3
"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever."

One explanation for Jesus' strange choice is that the Sadducees didn't accept anything but the Torah (as in Samaritanism) so Jesus was limited to arguing for resurrection from the Torah, but most of the evidence for that seems to be from the church fathers speculating about why Jesus gave them such a weird argument, and it isn't mentioned by the sources you would expect to mention it like Josephus.

According to one source a few centuries later (https://www.sefaria.org/Midrash_Tanchuma%2C_Bereshit.5.3?lang=en), the Sadducees used Job 7:9 to defend their belief, "As the cloud fades and vanishes, so those who go down to Sheol do not come up." So maybe they accepted the whole Tanakh but gave some books like Job precedence over the prophets and defaulted to interpreting the prophets as speaking metaphorically wherever there were disagreements. But perhaps they gave the Torah the highest precedence and assumed literalism of all, so that was still what Jesus would've had to rely on to make the case for resurrection to them.
Anonymous No.17923375 [Report]
>>17923358
...But then if you're going to default to interpreting anything figuratively, you'd think Genesis, part of the Torah, would be the first to go. So Idk. Maybe they just really trusted the literalism of the story of Moses specifically?
Anonymous No.17923376 [Report] >>17923381
>>17923342
>That's heretical..."for the father is greater than I"
The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. Correct.

This is Trinity 101
Anonymous No.17923380 [Report]
>>17923341
>Or the part about Covid Vaccines.
Oh shit, you're a schizo.
Anonymous No.17923381 [Report]
>>17923376
Farmer 1 is not the Store Owner and the Store Owner is not Farmer 1. Correct.

This is Sneed 101
Anonymous No.17923389 [Report] >>17923414
>>17922855
Apollodorus and Vespasian also did these things. Are they too god?
Anonymous No.17923414 [Report]
>>17923389
>Apollodorus and Vespasian also did these things
Source, chief.