Thread 17924584

Anyone else find it curious how it always about Dresden (a legitimate target) and the poor innocent Nazis. However its never About Tokyo , Kobe ,Ngoya or Osaka.
Its almost like the 95% people who complain About the fire bombing of Dresden online are just neo nazis trying to whitewash history or something

>>17924584 (OP)
Have you been living under a rock? Hrisohima and Nagasaki get plenty of spotlight, the atomic bombings being considered justified by the mainstream internet has been only a thing for a few years.

>>17924584 (OP)
how were the bomb loads dropped out of b29s and such?
like do they all just come out in one go or is there the option of like a staggered release?
can they for example, bomb one target with half their bombs, and hold the other half for a different target?

>>17924588
Atomic bombings=\= fire bombings
And you kinda just proved my point in mixing up the two.
>>17924606
Bombs are in rack i belive its was and all or nothing thing.

>>17924584 (OP)
The controversy over Dresden is partly because it took place towards the end of the war, when the defeat of Germany was already inevitable. The argument is that it did nothing to shorten the war, all it did was kill civilians.

The firebombings and the atomic bombs deployed against Japan are usually argued to have been vital for forcing them to surrender.

>>17924619
>moving goalpost because the strawman of the thread got refused.
Jackshit has been proven. You stated that the bombing of Dresden only gets mentioned to whitewash the Nazis based on the argument that Japan doesn't get the same sympathy. The Atomic bombs disprove that. The only reason they are on the forefront of the discussion, rather than the other cities which got flattened by conventional means, is that Atomic bombs have a bigger relevance in the public conciousness. That's it, people are not apathetic to the other Japanese Cities, they are just unaware of them because the discussion of the atomic bomb is about the most dominant Pacific war related event.

Western media typically focuses on the European Theatre. It's just how it is.

>>17924584 (OP)
>naGOYa
really makes one think

>>17924584 (OP)
>>17924637
Dresden was also more publicized because there were allied POWs there, and a certain one later became famous writing about his experience of the firebombing.

There were POWs at Nagasaki too, but they didn't live to tell the tale after the fact.

I think Dresden makes a good example for Allied hypocrisy because, no matter your outlook, anyone can sort of understand how one people can justify (to themselves) the slaughter of another race of people. Nobody has to like it, but it's just so much easier to expect. It's harder to understand how a self-assured Good Guy Gang justifies butchering people we basically see ourselves in.

German POWs were honestly treated a lot better in America than our own Japanese citizens were. We professionally hated Nazis, but there wasn't really the sense that Germans per se were a lesser race.

>>17924584 (OP)
>Dresden was a legitimate target
Arthur Harris explicitly said it wasnt and they bombed solely to inflict pain on German civilians hoping to cause a popular uprising against Hitler.
>>17925066
People from the British isles have a barely contained hatred for anything openly superior to them. It is deep within their psyche, they can not tolerate hierarchy in nature outside of their own social structures.
I tend to think it is because the external forces of Europe historically have suppressed the British isles with invasions and elite dominance this being ingrained into who they are and leading to a resurgence of the repressed hatred for every master that has cracked the whip over them.

The glee mutts have when tearing down thousand year old thrones, the inhuman contempt of the RAF as they spoke about extinguishing hundreds of thousands of lives.

The Western World has idolized the wonder-child, excellence, greatness, but the British Culture/National feeling is a sort of anti-Western value system, it sees beauty, grace, strength and it wants to tear it down, it wants to destroy it.
On some level I think they wish to challenge it as their archaic tribal champion ancestors would challenge another's tribal champion, but the visceral seething hatred they have of any kind of superiority, this can only come from a deep inferiority complex, the way they have no remorse to an unbowed enemy.

There's something sinister in the British psyche.

FYI, non-Whites arent allowed to share an opinion on this, this discussion is for Whites only.

>>17925090
Concisely, the English (and Americans) always come across as if theyre trying to prove "youre not better than us". They project this also onto others.
The most dysgenic anti-White garbage in Western media today is exclusively from British-isles derived populations.
The White Race is a Titan of History, and the British sense of the world demands that all great things be laid low including their own people. But their hatred of German superiority, of slavery, of monarchy, of aristocracy, of any kind of natural human ordering, its always the British who lead the charge against these things trying to prove 'nature' wrong.

>>17925090
>>17925103

>>17925103
Wow, you instantly killed all the pity that I slowly started feeling for Dresden when i was reading the other posts, thank you

>>17924584 (OP)
>The allies are not evil for bombing countless innocent Germans because they bombed even more innocent Japanese people.

>>17925163
Nobody sais this its just odd that everyone is só wierdly worried About nazi deaths
Almost as they are pushing some agenda

>>17925194
No. We’re just closer to Germany so it’s easier to empathise, you’re making it out to be a competition for sinister reasons.

>>17925215
>I care About innocent lives the ebil allies took
>Oh those ones are too far away for me to care sorry

>>17924584 (OP)
Germany was going to be inevitably completely occupied a few months later anyway. They just slaughtered a bunch of civilians for the hell of it. It similar to the refugee ships that the Soviet submarines sunk. Didn't contribute anything towards ending the war faster, just murdered a bunch of people.

>>17925308
Also if Dresden had been a serious military or industrial target it would've been leveled to the ground years earlier just like Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Köln, etc were. It wasn't because it was not important.

>>17925308
>>17925327
>p-please don't bomb us, we are going to be defeated soon anyway
>so, are you going to surrender?
>no

>>17925338
>victory is near
>the enemy has hardly anything left
>but should we slaughter some non-combatants just for fun?
>YES
It was an unjustified, immoral act, cope.

>>17925368
>the enemy has hardly anything left
>outside of 6 million soldiers and thousands of tanks and big guns
maybe surrender if you don't want the war to go on?

>>17925338
>>so, are you going to surrender?
>>no
are you just not aware Hitler was having a meltdown by the end of the war explicitly said any German that surrenders will be executed?

>>17925386
It's sad but if you are not going to surrended and keep shooting at us then we will keep shooting at you

>>17925385
Wanton slaughter of non-combatants is still a war crime even if the enemy refuses to surrender, cope-a-dope.

>>17925459
Yeah, but it doesn't apply to nazi germany where every aditonal day would prolong the holocaust and other ongoing genocides

>>17925119
>>17925106
I dont really know what my post has to do with neo nazis or dresden but do you agree there is something wrong with Britain's world-feeling?

>>17925471
No, it still applies to Germany, war crimes are war crimes.
You are obviously non-White because you see moral behavior as something others must earn from you instead of a moral standard you hold yourself.
This is why Hitler was right, people like you really are degenerates who deserve to be killed off.

The whole allied bombing campaign is extremely morally twisted.
When we look at Israels bombing of Gaza, we tend to think that a people shouldnt have to suffer because of the actions of their government, this case being Hamas.
Yet we excuse any moral dilemma from German and Japanese civilians and instead connect them to their government, as to say "you reap what you sow", even though these people were far more deliberately targeted and suffered far worse fate, especially Japanese civilians.
These civilians were ultimately held hostage by the fact that their government refused to sue for peace, and they did not know any better other than weather out the storm.
It's not just the fact that millions of women and children were bombed and died in the most horrific way, it's also the fact that their cultural heritage was erased.

Idk what to think really. The war had reached such a chaotic point by then, all bars seem to have been removed. The Axis were evil but two wrongs dont make a right. Again, it's quite preplexing when we look at the world reaction to the civilian population in Gaza depite the fact that Hamas are murderers and warmongerers.

>>17925119
>>Bags Britain
>Polack comes out of the woodwork to defend his employer
Don't you have a toilet to clean Kajewski?

>>17925560
Slavs and jews are baying hyenas in victory and tearful harmless lambs when they lose, there is no point in engaging with them because its never in good faith and they will always assume your good faith is a cynical ploy because they themselves can not imagine why anyone would engage with an opponent in good faith.

This is why you wont get any serious replies from the "pro-murder" crowd.

>>17925588
Doesnt sound like you had anything of substance to contribute with either so how about you shut the fuck up with your "good faith" bullshit.

>>17924637
>it took place towards the end of the war, when the defeat of Germany was already inevitable
>>17925308
>Germany was going to be inevitably completely occupied a few months later anyway
Why didn't they just surrender then? This is literally, spiritually, ontologically the same as being a nigger who doesn't comply with the cops then whines about getting tazed.
>>17925386
>Hitler was having a meltdown by the end of the war explicitly said any German that surrenders will be executed?
Why was Hitler so intrinsically anti-German? Why did he hate the German people so much?

>>17925459
>>17925368
Why didn't the Japanese leave the cities? America dropped leaflets warning citizens to leave the cities or else they would be getting bombed. Hell, someone in Nagasaki famously saved a whole school of kids since someone decided to actually read the leaflet and got the kids safely away, yet nobody gives a shit. Why did the Japanese or the Germans never drop leaflets to warn innocent civilians of Warsaw, Amsterdam, or Nanking?

>>17925715
Why didn't Pooland just surrender from the start and avoid this whole WW2 business in the first place?

>>17925685
>Why was Hitler so intrinsically anti-German? Why did he hate the German people so much?
He was a jewish supremacist. He believed jews ruled the world. Thus he subconsciously justified to himself that german goyim were nothing but niggercattle after all.

>>17925977
Nonsensical argument. Someone breaks into your home you fight back not roll over. Why did Germany NEED to invade Poland over Danzig? They had no justification.

>>17925715
>Why didn't millions of civilians immediately leave dozens of major cities because the Americans vaguely implied they might bomb them at some point in the future

Gee, I dunno.

>>17926013
>What are you gonna do? Shoot me?
Amazing logic.

>>17925715
>Why did the Japanese or the Germans never drop leaflets to warn innocent civilians of Warsaw, Amsterdam, or Nanking?

They did utilize propaganda leaflets in Warsaw encouraging the civilians to leave and promising them safe passage if they did. The purpose of these kinds of things was to demoralize the enemy and reduce the possibility of resistance, not to reduce civilian deaths.

>>17925524
Britain is one of the most successful nations in the world
>>17925529
Hitler was a criminal who destroyed his own country and people, Dresden barbeque is his responsibility
>>17925578
I'm a proud NEET

>>17925986
Yea exactly right

>>17926602
>Britain is one of the most successful nations in the world
Britain is a post-industrial country with loose borders, an overgrown public sector and a serious anarcho-tyranny problem (read: crime is rampant but honest people are burdened by taxes and stupid regulations), the only things keeping the whole boat afloat are her former glory and money from the financial sector (which mostly benefits the Southeast and no other region)

>>17926638
Since this is a thread about the Second World War and neonazism, I assume you're suggesting that hailing the swastika flag and claiming that the Austrian mailboy did nothing wrong will magicaly solve all of these imaginary issues

>>17925529
holy mask off moment lmao, what happend to killing is bad?

>>17924584 (OP)
everyone in Japan knows the air raids caused tons of civilian suffering, it's a big part of how the war is remembered here for ordinary people. It shows up in like every anime on the period, we've had multiple Ghibli films about it, etc.
Not some kind of secret.

>>17924584 (OP)
Nazis bombed British cities but Dresden was something else. Kurt Vonnegut was a PoW there and saw the aftermath, ended up being the inspiration for Slaughterhouse Five if I'm recalling correctly. I'm sure this popular book did much to popularize knowledge of the firebombing.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/AUPress/Books/B_0020_SPANGRUD_STRATEGIC_BOMBING_SURVEYS.pdf
Bombing of cities in Europe/the Pacific produced mixed results unless the target was something major like a railway hub within the city or a factory district. Without precision guided bombs it was inevitable that even targeting purely military installations you're going to get a lot of collateral damage of course, but intentionally bombing civilian infrastructure or homes in the hopes of convincing a people to turn against their government or for a government to surrender almost never produces results. The lone exception being the atomic bombings which were not only completely unprecedented, but also coincided with a complete collapse of Japanese military forces elsewhere and the allies continually floating sweetheart deals to the Japanese via back-channel negotiations.
If bombing civilian targets and laying waste to cities worked then why did the US lose in Korea and Vietnam? Why didn't Britain or the Soviets surrender? Why is Israel still fighting in Gaza? You can't bomb civilians into submission and trying to do so is just visiting needless cruelty on other human beings for no significant military benefit. You can beat your chest and pretend to be an unfeeling monser on the internet and go "YEAH BUT X GROUP DESERVED IT WOOO" but you know I'm right. The US government even acknowledged that bombing civilians is a pointless exercise in revenge and cruelty.